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dargotronV.1 wrote:Thought only fair to note given he's been criticised enough in recent months, that Johnny Gray was brilliant v Leinster yesterday. Aggressive and tireless. Now, take that form into the play offs and World Cup please
Last weekend too, think that's two MOTM in a row.

I am a bit biased towards J Gray for some reason, nice to see him put in a couple excellent shifts.
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Troll wrote:
BlackMac wrote:Biggest referee bottle crash ever in the final of the 7s Challenge Cup. Straight punch to the face, ref tells touch judge red card then pulls out a yellow at the last minute. :x
It was an open palm pissy slap, fine.

Worse was the time keeping of the yellow.

Lost because of stupid penalties and shite restarts.
Not a great punch, but it was still a strike to the face. Red just about every day. What was bizarre was the way he said red and then pulled yellow.
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BlackMac wrote:
Troll wrote:
BlackMac wrote:Biggest referee bottle crash ever in the final of the 7s Challenge Cup. Straight punch to the face, ref tells touch judge red card then pulls out a yellow at the last minute. :x
It was an open palm pissy slap, fine.

Worse was the time keeping of the yellow.

Lost because of stupid penalties and shite restarts.
Not a great punch, but it was still a strike to the face. Red just about every day. What was bizarre was the way he said red and then pulled yellow.
The AR muttered something indiscernible, might have been that. Maybe the TMO gave some input and they didn't have the channel feeding through then.

Our tacklers' incessant rolling into the 9 despite being repeatedly pinged for it, was far more puzzling over the weekend for me! :(

Tough pool for Paris, England, NZ + 16th. Presume that will be Ireland.

Ed: Looks like it's London first up actually
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Cheers TotM
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OptimisticJock wrote:Cheers TotM
Ffs don’t encourage him, his wife prefers it when he isn’t Baw deep in spreadsheets!
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Interested to see how the centre partnerships of the pro teams develop.

Glasgow with Johnson and Jones. So much potential here. Johnson looks great at the moment, and Jones certainly has it in him. I say this not completely buying that Jones has dropped off a cliff. His defence is actually quite solid and frailties there have been blown out of proportion. But he has been missing a bit of the attacking electricity, we'll see... my gut feel is telling me we'll see that back.

Edinburgh with Scott and Bennett. Felt very excited about this possibility when signings were being announced about a year ago. While not ready to write this partnership off by any means, I admit excitement is fading.
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C T wrote:Interested to see how the centre partnerships of the pro teams develop.

Glasgow with Johnson and Jones. So much potential here. Johnson looks great at the moment, and Jones certainly has it in him. I say this not completely buying that Jones has dropped off a cliff. His defence is actually quite solid and frailties there have been blown out of proportion. But he has been missing a bit of the attacking electricity, we'll see... my gut feel is telling me we'll see that back.

Edinburgh with Scott and Bennett. Felt very excited about this possibility when signings were being announced about a year ago. While not ready to write this partnership off by any means, I admit excitement is fading.
I guess Scott & Bennett need to be playing outside a better 9/10 combo to really show their stuff. Assuming they both still have stuff after their injury problems.
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Doc Rob wrote:
C T wrote:Interested to see how the centre partnerships of the pro teams develop.

Glasgow with Johnson and Jones. So much potential here. Johnson looks great at the moment, and Jones certainly has it in him. I say this not completely buying that Jones has dropped off a cliff. His defence is actually quite solid and frailties there have been blown out of proportion. But he has been missing a bit of the attacking electricity, we'll see... my gut feel is telling me we'll see that back.

Edinburgh with Scott and Bennett. Felt very excited about this possibility when signings were being announced about a year ago. While not ready to write this partnership off by any means, I admit excitement is fading.
I guess Scott & Bennett need to be playing outside a better 9/10 combo to really show their stuff. Assuming they both still have stuff after their injury problems.
Big assumption re Bennett whose had a horrendous run.

Scott also needs to slim down, I don't know why S&C decided he needed to look more like WP Nel than a centre.
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I like haggis wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
C T wrote:Interested to see how the centre partnerships of the pro teams develop.

Glasgow with Johnson and Jones. So much potential here. Johnson looks great at the moment, and Jones certainly has it in him. I say this not completely buying that Jones has dropped off a cliff. His defence is actually quite solid and frailties there have been blown out of proportion. But he has been missing a bit of the attacking electricity, we'll see... my gut feel is telling me we'll see that back.

Edinburgh with Scott and Bennett. Felt very excited about this possibility when signings were being announced about a year ago. While not ready to write this partnership off by any means, I admit excitement is fading.
I guess Scott & Bennett need to be playing outside a better 9/10 combo to really show their stuff. Assuming they both still have stuff after their injury problems.
Big assumption re Bennett whose had a horrendous run.

Scott also needs to slim down, I don't know why S&C decided he needed to look more like WP Nel than a centre.
Bennett was a really classy player at his best, one of the best in Europe on top form. I think it is fair to give him a fair run at getting his form back after so long out. How mny games has he had? Not more than half a dozen I would guess.
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Seems that Scott and Bennett both taking their time to get back into form. Agree they should be given the chance but too soon for the RWC I would think.

Embra have definitely been found wanting tactically now that Mata isn't smashing holes all over the shop. Looking like Challenge cup rugby next year :(
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Smutley wrote:Seems that Scott and Bennett both taking their time to get back into form. Agree they should be given the chance but too soon for the RWC I would think.

Embra have definitely been found wanting tactically now that Mata isn't smashing holes all over the shop. Looking like Challenge cup rugby next year :(
Bennett has done his ACL twice, for someone who relied on acceleration and stepping someone in tight spaces that's a real concern.

Challenge cup isn't good at all but Cockerill and Co need to use it as a development tool as others do. Shiel, Taylor, Academy lads starting every game, CHH captain etc. No point playing your internationals.
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Didn't know he'd done the same knee twice. :(( :((
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Smutley wrote:Seems that Scott and Bennett both taking their time to get back into form. Agree they should be given the chance but too soon for the RWC I would think.

Embra have definitely been found wanting tactically now that Mata isn't smashing holes all over the shop. Looking like Challenge cup rugby next year :(
Pass to Mata was never going to be a good long term strategy. I'm not really clear what Edinburgh are right now stylistically. This is the next big challenge for Cockerill. When he came in, he couldn't really do any worse, and he did a good job of solidifying the team, and getting them into a position where they could challenge in most games with a mixture of aggressive forward play and individual brilliance. Now he has to define a style, an Edinburgh way of doing things and set that out right across the club from the academy up.

He could start by hiring a top class attack coach.
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Smutley wrote:Didn't know he'd done the same knee twice. :(( :((
Next week, when the Edinburgh season is finished, I'd be tempted to pack him off to the sevens to get a bit of his attacking mojo back.
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Alba wrote:
Smutley wrote:Seems that Scott and Bennett both taking their time to get back into form. Agree they should be given the chance but too soon for the RWC I would think.

Embra have definitely been found wanting tactically now that Mata isn't smashing holes all over the shop. Looking like Challenge cup rugby next year :(
Pass to Mata was never going to be a good long term strategy. I'm not really clear what Edinburgh are right now stylistically. This is the next big challenge for Cockerill. When he came in, he couldn't really do any worse, and he did a good job of solidifying the team, and getting them into a position where they could challenge in most games with a mixture of aggressive forward play and individual brilliance. Now he has to define a style, an Edinburgh way of doing things and set that out right across the club from the academy up.

He could start by hiring a top class attack coach.
He fell out with his attack coach at Tigers and got himself sacked...

Hodge isn't the man in charge of the attacking gameplan that's very forward oriented.
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Alba wrote:
Smutley wrote:Didn't know he'd done the same knee twice. :(( :((
Next week, when the Edinburgh season is finished, I'd be tempted to pack him off to the sevens to get a bit of his attacking mojo back.
Not a bad shout. It could be a confidence thing and the open spaces could be an opportunity for him to test his leg without the fear of so much constant and heavy contact.

While not defending champs, sending a squad to try and regain the trophy would be nice.
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Not exactly rugby, but don’t recall such a high profile gangland execution in Edinburgh. Certainly not so central and visible.
Rumour is he was shot in front of his wife and kids.
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Bit of a deep dive into a record breaking day stats-wise for Glasgow away to Leinster. Of course there's Jonny's 43 but also:

- the top 5 tackling performances of the last 7 seasons all come from this game;
- the back who so nearly joined in the record breaking;
- the Glasgow game where the entire team only totalled 53 tackles;
- and why Jonny Gray is more effective than a condom...

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You have waaay too much spare time on your hands TOTM. And I’m very Glad about that :thumbup:
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HKCJ wrote:You have waaay too much spare time on your hands TOTM. And I’m very Glad about that :thumbup:
Ach who needs a life when there's rugby stats to be dealt with?!
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Excellent win for Scotland in the 6N under 18 festival over Ireland 42-40!
Ireland better in first half but Scotland deserved the win for the 2nd half performance - very disciplined at the end.
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Lots of love for Adam Hastings' pass for Tommy Seymour's try against Leinster (understandably) but worth rewinding slightly to take in the 18 phases of hard graft that lead to that point. Heavy involvements from everyone in the pack in the kind of effort that is essential to break down the defences of the top teams.

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malky wrote:Excellent win for Scotland in the 6N under 18 festival over Ireland 42-40!
Ireland better in first half but Scotland deserved the win for the 2nd half performance - very disciplined at the end.
Paterson slotted a last minute winning conversion I believe - I've missed that sentence!
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topofthemoon wrote:Lots of love for Adam Hastings' pass for Tommy Seymour's try against Leinster (understandably) but worth rewinding slightly to take in the 18 phases of hard graft that lead to that point. Heavy involvements from everyone in the pack in the kind of effort that is essential to break down the defences of the top teams.

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Agreed, it was a thing of beauty.
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frillage wrote:Not exactly rugby, but don’t recall such a high profile gangland execution in Edinburgh. Certainly not so central and visible.
Rumour is he was shot in front of his wife and kids.
I know a couple of people who knew him from his Hibs Casuals days, all have nice things to say, but also that despite what the media are saying he never quite managed to get out of the gangland stuff.
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Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
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topofthemoon wrote:Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
The addition of Aaron Cruden and Shaun Stevenson would elevate that squad for me from playoff contenders to title contenders. At the moment it is short on sparkle compared to previous years.

Can Glasgow dare to dream of both?
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Alba wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
The addition of Aaron Cruden and Shaun Stevenson would elevate that squad for me from playoff contenders to title contenders. At the moment it is short on sparkle compared to previous years.

Can Glasgow dare to dream of both?
My thought was it was going to be Cruden for 2019/20 on a 1 year deal and then Stevenson (or someone of that illk) on a longer term deal from 2020/21. Cruden deal is sounding doubtful now though so I wonder where that leaves things?
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topofthemoon wrote:Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
Looks pretty thin in some areas tbh. Might expect some short term SH contracts for cover consisting of nearly-but-not-quite World Cup players?
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Just seen rumours on Twitter that Blade Thomson may be ready to make his comeback, six months after he was sidelined with concussion.
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Alba wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
The addition of Aaron Cruden and Shaun Stevenson would elevate that squad for me from playoff contenders to title contenders. At the moment it is short on sparkle compared to previous years.

Can Glasgow dare to dream of both?

Are Glasgow in for Shaun Stevenson? I've been off work for a few weeks so haven't been spending as much time on here, so apologies if this has been discussed.
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Steamin Beamin wrote:
Alba wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:Lee Jones' re-signing today takes Glasgow up to 40 names confirmed for next season. Quick look at the 2019/20 Depth Chart as things stand with a few guesses as to the remaining names to take the squad up to a full complement:

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8cx
The addition of Aaron Cruden and Shaun Stevenson would elevate that squad for me from playoff contenders to title contenders. At the moment it is short on sparkle compared to previous years.

Can Glasgow dare to dream of both?

Are Glasgow in for Shaun Stevenson? I've been off work for a few weeks so haven't been spending as much time on here, so apologies if this has been discussed.
Disco can probably say more, but it's been a bit of an on/off rumour for a while. A bit like Cruden, but with less persistence if that makes sense? I remember similar around Maitland for a good few years before he signed, so hopefully there is something to it. He's a very good player.
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Doc Rob wrote:Just seen rumours on Twitter that Blade Thomson may be ready to make his comeback, six months after he was sidelined with concussion.
That's good news. Hopefully he lives up to the hype - plenty of people seem to have him as first choice 8 for the world cup, which seems a bit hasty.
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Alba wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:Just seen rumours on Twitter that Blade Thomson may be ready to make his comeback, six months after he was sidelined with concussion.
That's good news. Hopefully he lives up to the hype - plenty of people seem to have him as first choice 8 for the world cup, which seems a bit hasty.

He's on the bench tomorrow.
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Jamie Ritchie frozen out at Embra atm. Is he injured? Gutting for the guy after what was a great 6n, putting his WC chances in jeopardy too potentially

Also Rennie's latest comments suggest he's off at the end of his contract in 2020 back down under, his wife is missing the grandkids.
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Dont think so but who are you going to drop?
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OptimisticJock wrote:Dont think so but who are you going to drop?
I'm not offering solutions here, not sure you could drop any of them (though Mata has looked a bit underwhelming of late) - just pointing out that it's sh*t for him
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dargotronV.1 wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:Dont think so but who are you going to drop?
I'm not offering solutions here, not sure you could drop any of them (though Mata has looked a bit underwhelming of late) - just pointing out that it's sh*t for him
I agree. It's great for embra to have that depth though, if not for him.
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Match preview for Glasgow v Edinburgh pt 3 - and given Ryan Wilson is on the bench in the trilogy this is clearly The Dark Knight Rises...

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- A new captain for Glasgow.
- The Warriors' bogey side back at Scotstoun.
- Too many milestones and 1872 Cup debuts to mention - just read the article! I guarantee there's stats and info in there that you will not get anywhere else...
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So, if i’m reading OTOTM on twitter correctly, Scarelts loss with a BP means Edinburgh are in the 4th place playoff as long as they manage 2 points themselves?
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