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Alba wrote:So, if i’m reading OTOTM on twitter correctly, Scarelts loss with a BP means Edinburgh are in the 4th place playoff as long as they manage 2 points themselves?
That's my read of it too.
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A draw with a TBP each would be good and would cause a lot of angst elsewhere!
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malky wrote:A draw with a TBP each would be good and would cause a lot of angst elsewhere!
Not the way the Italian match is atm.
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OptimisticJock wrote:
malky wrote:A draw with a TBP each would be good and would cause a lot of angst elsewhere!
Not the way the Italian match is atm.
I must admit I had written off Edinburgh making the top 3 and was only thinking of the 4th place play off (and Glasgow being safe from Munster).
A Dragons type 2nd half from Zebre would be good.
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malky wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:
malky wrote:A draw with a TBP each would be good and would cause a lot of angst elsewhere!
Not the way the Italian match is atm.
I must admit I had written off Edinburgh making the top 3 and was only thinking of the 4th place play off (and Glasgow being safe from Munster).
A Dragons type 2nd half from Zebre would be good.
I'm just hoping it doesn't get any worse now.
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Bollocks.
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So basically we need Glasgow to win by less than 7 with Embra scoring 4 tries. Well, that shouldn’t be too hard. :uhoh:
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Calling it now - Kyle Steyn goes to the world cup. I like Harris and Grigg more than most but Steyn is a beast in defence and has more about him going forward. Johnson, Horne, Jones, Steyn injury permitting.
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Has anyone seen any injury updates in the aftermath of the game? Graham and McInally would be the two main concerns with the world cup in mind. Bennett would be the major concern from a seriousness point of view (it looked a knee injury again, poor guy), though I think he was unlikely to make the WC.
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Alba wrote:Has anyone seen any injury updates in the aftermath of the game? Graham and McInally would be the two main concerns with the world cup in mind. Bennett would be the major concern from a seriousness point of view (it looked a knee injury again, poor guy), though I think he was unlikely to make the WC.
I missed the Bennet injury...nightmare for the guy

Fingers and toes crossed for McInally and Graham
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dargotronV.1 wrote:
Alba wrote:Has anyone seen any injury updates in the aftermath of the game? Graham and McInally would be the two main concerns with the world cup in mind. Bennett would be the major concern from a seriousness point of view (it looked a knee injury again, poor guy), though I think he was unlikely to make the WC.
I missed the Bennet injury...nightmare for the guy

Fingers and toes crossed for McInally and Graham
It's horrible to speculate, but if it is a cruciate injury, who comes back from their third one?
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Alba wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:
Alba wrote:Has anyone seen any injury updates in the aftermath of the game? Graham and McInally would be the two main concerns with the world cup in mind. Bennett would be the major concern from a seriousness point of view (it looked a knee injury again, poor guy), though I think he was unlikely to make the WC.
I missed the Bennet injury...nightmare for the guy

Fingers and toes crossed for McInally and Graham
It's horrible to speculate, but if it is a cruciate injury, who comes back from their third one?
Mentally as well as physically that's a hard shift to rehab.

If it is a cruciate I think he is done.
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Big D wrote:
Alba wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:
Alba wrote:Has anyone seen any injury updates in the aftermath of the game? Graham and McInally would be the two main concerns with the world cup in mind. Bennett would be the major concern from a seriousness point of view (it looked a knee injury again, poor guy), though I think he was unlikely to make the WC.
I missed the Bennet injury...nightmare for the guy

Fingers and toes crossed for McInally and Graham
It's horrible to speculate, but if it is a cruciate injury, who comes back from their third one?
Mentally as well as physically that's a hard shift to rehab.

If it is a cruciate I think he is done.
Agreed. Which would be devastating for him and a real shame for Scotland. He was a standout at times in the last RWC, but sadly his body has let him down and he never became the player we hoped he would.
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I remember when the SRU released their after rugby program Mark Bennett was a key figure speaking about how they helped him.

I remember thinking then and a few interviews where he discussed how much he struggled with the mental side of injuries that he might not be coming back. He did which is a credit to him but a third?

It's a shame, Bennett was spectacular before the injuries. He was robbed of what would've been a better career.
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Mark Robertson now a S+C at Clermont.
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Scottish Rugby Blog podcast suggest that McInally and Graham's injuries are not considered serious
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dargotronV.1 wrote:Scottish Rugby Blog podcast suggest that McInally and Graham's injuries are not considered serious
No word on Bennett is worrying.
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So Newcastle down, what next for Hardie, Graham, Harris?
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zt1903 wrote:So Newcastle down, what next for Hardie, Graham, Harris?
Wonder what Harris thinks of turning down Edinburgh for Newcastle now. I'd expect him and Graham to stay at Falcons and get them back up. Glasgow maybe could use Graham but he's not a starter there when all fit, Graham's attitude would work with Cockers but surely there isn't the room in the squad.

Reckon Hardie goes back to NZ.

Any of the three to be in the wider RWC squad? We have loads of backrows. Centre we have a fair few players too - I'd have Hutchinson and Steyn over Harris at this point. Steyn is a monster keeping Jones out of the Glasgow side!
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I like haggis wrote:
zt1903 wrote:So Newcastle down, what next for Hardie, Graham, Harris?
Wonder what Harris thinks of turning down Edinburgh for Newcastle now. I'd expect him and Graham to stay at Falcons and get them back up. Glasgow maybe could use Graham but he's not a starter there when all fit, Graham's attitude would work with Cockers but surely there isn't the room in the squad.

Reckon Hardie goes back to NZ.

Any of the three to be in the wider RWC squad? We have loads of backrows. Centre we have a fair few players too - I'd have Hutchinson and Steyn over Harris at this point. Steyn is a monster keeping Jones out of the Glasgow side!
I would have thought Hardie is in the wider squad, but doesn’t make final squad unless there’s a couple of injuries.
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So training squad announcement in 90 minutes. Anyone willing to score major points by calling the correct bolter? With Blade Thomson, Kyle Steyn and Rory Hutchinson pretty much expected to be included it's hard to think of someone who could really come out of the blue.

Let's go for Ben Vellacott again then. :D
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clydecloggie wrote:So training squad announcement in 90 minutes. Anyone willing to score major points by calling the correct bolter? With Blade Thomson, Kyle Steyn and Rory Hutchinson pretty much expected to be included it's hard to think of someone who could really come out of the blue.

Let's go for Ben Vellacott again then. :D
Redpath? :D

I think Hutchinson is the bolter, TBH. Never been in a squad before. Though we all expect his inclusion.
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Doc Rob wrote:
clydecloggie wrote:So training squad announcement in 90 minutes. Anyone willing to score major points by calling the correct bolter? With Blade Thomson, Kyle Steyn and Rory Hutchinson pretty much expected to be included it's hard to think of someone who could really come out of the blue.

Let's go for Ben Vellacott again then. :D
Redpath? :D

I think Hutchinson is the bolter, TBH. Never been in a squad before. Though we all expect his inclusion.
Which disqualifies him as the bolter. We need to do better - any kilted kiwis rooting up trees in Soup Rugby this season?
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Maybe (with those in training squad but not final squad in parentheses, assuming everyone fit and on form)...

Hogg. Kinghorn
Graham Seymour (Harris)
H.Jones (Steyn/Hutchison)
Johnson Taylor. (P.Horne Scott)
Maitland (McGuigan)
Russell. Hastings. (Weir)
Price. G.Horne Laidlaw
Dell. Reid. Bhatti (Marfo?)
McInally. Brown. Turner (Stewart)
Nel. Berghan. Z.Fagerson (Welch)
J.Gray. Gilchrist (R.Gray)
Skinner. Toolis (Cummings)
Barclay (Wilson. Hamilton/Crosbie)
Watson. Ritchie (Hardie)
Bradbury. Thomson. (Denton/Strauss)

Ignore full stops - an annoying feature of the notepad I wrote that on.
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Would be extremely surprised if Wilson doesn't go - leader in the team, Toonie loves him and can play all 3 back row positions. Wilson, Barclay, Watson, Bradbury An Other for me.

Redpath in the England under20s squad.
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FORWARDS (23)
John Barclay (Edinburgh) – 71 caps; Rugby World Cup 2007 and 2011
Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 19 caps
Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 13 caps
Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 7 caps
Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 42 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps
Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps
Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh) – 33 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Gary Graham (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Stuart McInally (Edinburgh) – 27 caps
Willem Nel (Edinburgh) – 29 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Gordon Reid (London Irish) – 34 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
Sam Skinner (Exeter Chiefs) – 5 caps
Grant Stewart (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
Josh Strauss (Sale Sharks) – 22 caps; Rugby World Cup 2015
Blade Thomson (Scarlets) – uncapped
Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 18 caps
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Darcy Graham (Edinburgh) – 4 caps
Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors) – 9 caps
Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 8 caps
Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – 11 caps
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Rory Hutchinson (Northampton Saints) – uncapped
Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 21 caps
Sam Johnson (Glasgow Warriors) – 4 caps
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Very surprised Ritchie Gray isn't there, very surprised indeed.

Bit risky with Taylor and Thomson who've played so little rugby lately, run the tires off them in the warmups see how they go?
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So it's more a question of 'dark matter bolters' - the ones who aren't even in the training squad.

Richie Gray, Rob Harley, John Hardie, Matt Scott for instance.

Good to see Duncan Taylor included. If he's back fit it makes the centre selection really interesting.
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No Richie Gray, Steyn...can't see any other omissions in there that may have been

Has Duncan Taylor played recently? Constantly injured...wonder if we'll see his like in the shirt again (hope so)
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dargotronV.1 wrote:No Richie Gray, Steyn...can't see any other omissions in there that may have been

Has Duncan Taylor played recently? Constantly injured...wonder if we'll see his like in the shirt again (hope so)

He's only just back running, I think.

Surprised Steyn and R Gray have missed out and a bit surprised to see G Graham included.
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clydecloggie wrote:So it's more a question of 'dark matter bolters' - the ones who aren't even in the training squad.

Richie Gray, Rob Harley, John Hardie, Matt Scott for instance.

Good to see Duncan Taylor included. If he's back fit it makes the centre selection really interesting.
Harley has been class for Glasgow this year, top drawer. But which six nations game did he play this year and got totally washed out?

Scott hasn't been good this year, Hardie injured all year. Surprised Taylor is there but I think he's become the white whale - the final piece of the puzzle. But Sam Johnson is probably better than he is anyway.
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Press release has two spots unfilled for those operating at the end of the season.

Glasgow in the playoffs and Toulouse?
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clydecloggie wrote:So it's more a question of 'dark matter bolters' - the ones who aren't even in the training squad.

Richie Gray, Rob Harley, John Hardie, Matt Scott for instance.

Good to see Duncan Taylor included. If he's back fit it makes the centre selection really interesting.
Harley has been class for Glasgow this year, top drawer. But which six nations game did he play this year and got totally washed out?

Scott hasn't been good this year, Hardie injured all year. Surprised Taylor is there but I think he's become the white whale - the final piece of the puzzle. But Sam Johnson is probably better than he is anyway.
Harley started a 6N game, so to go from that to not even being in the longlist squad is a big drop.

Taylor, Thomson and Hutchinson will presumably be given lots of game time in the warm ups to see if they are up for it.

Taylor to inevitably get injured against France.
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I like haggis wrote:Press release has two spots unfilled for those operating at the end of the season.

Glasgow in the playoffs and Toulouse?
I missed that bit.

Sounds like Gray the Elder might still feature if he comes through the Top-14 play offs.
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Also: only six props named who will presumably all travel to Japan. Congrats Mr. Bhatti, Dell, Reid, Nel, Berghan and Fagerson.
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I've never been a fan but feel sorry for Duncan Weir. He has been very impressive controlling a Premiership team and we might need that control out there. Griegg seems a waste of a spot to me which he could have taken.
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slick wrote:I've never been a fan but feel sorry for Duncan Weir. He has been very impressive controlling a Premiership team and we might need that control out there. Griegg seems a waste of a spot to me which he could have taken.
Agreed, he's done really well for Worcester. His playing style doesn't quite fit what Scotland try to do, and Hastings is in such form his place as back-up 10 is not up for discussion currently. Then there's Pete Horne who covers both 5/8th positions and is a good enough 10 to play there against Russia. The cards then all stack up against Weir...
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clydecloggie wrote:Also: only six props named who will presumably all travel to Japan. Congrats Mr. Bhatti, Dell, Reid, Nel, Berghan and Fagerson.
Only 5 went last time.
I like haggis wrote:Very surprised Ritchie Gray isn't there, very surprised indeed.
That is the biggest surprise for me. As it stands the 4 second rows in the squad all know they are going unless another is called up.

Also agree Wilson will go. Although Bradbury was excellent v England so wouldn't be quick to have Wilson starting.
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Big D wrote:
clydecloggie wrote:Also: only six props named who will presumably all travel to Japan. Congrats Mr. Bhatti, Dell, Reid, Nel, Berghan and Fagerson.
Only 5 went last time.
Yes, but one of them was Jon Welsh who is an LTH prop. This time there's no 1/3 hybrid and I can't believe the squad will only have 2 LH or TH props.
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Also amazed that Richie Gray isn’t in there. Yes, he’s been out for ages, but then so have Thomson and Taylor. Surely he is in contention to start if fully fit?

Harsh on Weir indeed, and he gives us another option, but Finn is clearly first choice and Hastings second, and Phorne provides centre cover.

I reckon that if Thomson stands up to the summer schedule, Strauss is done.

Exactly what has Harris done to earn a spot ahead of Steyn?
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