Floppykid wrote:And for a delicious Spag Bol?Auckman wrote:yeah but mate that is you talking about your norms in Scotland or wherever you are from. In NZ, it is perfectly normal for a NZ European to perform a haka. Chances are most of the NZ Europeans these days have some form of maori ancestry anyway. However, if not, so what?dr dre2 wrote:But shaking hands doesn't involve pulling silly faces, poking your tongue out and thigh slapping, these are things we Europeans discourage in our children, and to see European NZ adults doing it looks silly. As a genuine cultural thing done by Maori (or PI) at their cultural events it deserves respect. A white European doing one because he just won 10 quid on a scratch card, not so much. It's been appropriated as an all New Zealand thing and that doesn't work from the outside. You just look delusional try hards, trying to invent a history that's not there.Fat Old Git wrote:Shaking hands is one of many examples of what you probably consider normal behavior but which is in fact just a polite ritual and tradition that is not infact common to all cultures. The are many many others. Some tribal, some less so. I would put wearing a tie among the trivial, although many are forced by custom to wear this pointless and often uncomfortable item of clothing almost everyday.
Another example from my earlier post involved the launching of a boat. No one bats an eye at this custom no matter how small the boat, but a haka to celebrate the arrival of a multi million dollar aircraft is the equivalent of pulling out the haka "for the opening of an envelope".
If the Lions were greeted by a series of boring speeches, a parade of dignitaries, and perhaps a stirring national anthem with an exchange of gifts, no one would say a thing as it would match the European tradition. But NZ is not Europe or a little Britain. So the response of some to seeing traditions other than their own can be quite revealing. Especially their view that somehow the different cultures that have been involved in creating a modern New Zealand culture should somehow have remained segregated. That isn't something that has happened anywhere. Cultures interact and influence each other no matter where you are.
And yes, more than just haka have been moved beyond just being Maori culture and have become part of New Zealand culture. As a result many Maori words have become part of New Zealand English as the concepts associated lose something in translation.
The best way to describe it IMO is that a haka is performed as part of a group/team that a person is a member of, whether it is a work group representing the company, a school, a rugby team or other sporting team, a army battalion, a graduating police class, a bunch of old school mates farewelling a friend at a funeral or honouring another mate at a wedding. Whatever it is, it is a group thing. In this context, it doesn't matter what the colour of your skin is or whether you are not maori or not. You're in the group, you're part of the team.
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We know it's perfectly normal in NZ, that's what we are laughing at. It's a historical tradition, it's nice that it survives as a cultural display at appropriate times. Just like Morris dancing or the silly Welsh hat thing. If it's done at a Maori wedding then it should be respected but when whitey does his haka, it's fair game to point and laugh.