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Rowdy wrote:Why don't at least the English and Welsh give them a big V sign in return? They can have their imaginary dance and we reply with a real challenge.
Great idea!

Submit it to the Lions here: https://www.lionsrugby.com/contact-us/

I'm sure they'll appreciate your input.
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Tehui wrote:
irishjonny wrote:Anyone got a tally? Would be interesting to see how many are done during the tour.
This is the 167,543,321st haka post.

0 points for originality I'm afraid.
1 post per haka?
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Clive wrote:Yes the haka is rather tedious, but they like the silly war dance so let them have it, but its become dull and its only one game in.
I hope the Lions do a Wales and stare down the NZ team after the aka, although we lost that day it felt like we were pissing from a great height
all over their dumb tradition.
I hope they meet this tradition with the traditional reponse. Volley fire.
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I actually had a friend un-friend me on his weekend, after I fired a salvo (bantz, obvs) over the number of Hakas as a wind up. He immediately jumped to call me insensitive and racist and, after a couple of exchanges, did the deed.

Still a little bemused actually but taught me one thing.

Haka. Serious business.
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Clive - Yes the haka is rather tedious, but they like the silly war dance so let them have it, but its become dull and its only one game in. I hope the Lions do a Wales and stare down the NZ team after the aka, although we lost that day it felt like we were pissing from a great height all over their dumb tradition.

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It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
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Just noticing the maori tattoos on the thighs... I remember Tamati Ellison had one as well.

Is it a real traditional custom of tattooing or trying to emulate the Samoan tatau?

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bealonian wrote:I actually had a friend un-friend me on his weekend, after I fired a salvo (bantz, obvs) over the number of Hakas as a wind up. He immediately jumped to call me insensitive and racist and, after a couple of exchanges, did the deed.

Still a little bemused actually but taught me one thing.

Haka. Serious business.
:lol: :thumbup:
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Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.

New mark of plane in the fleet. IT'S HAKA TIME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkEiWwSrFI

There was no jig in Cardiff to welcome the first bendy bus.

Most of you are European in origin and it looks a little silly, especially when you want to show off drunk in Europe.
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dr dre2 wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.

New mark of plane in the fleet. IT'S HAKA TIME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkEiWwSrFI

There was no jig in Cardiff to welcome the first bendy bus.
:lol: :thumbup:
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Fat Old Git - I think there are various answers to that statement. It's not funny at all.

1. They do but not on a rugby forum
2. The equally tedious European traditions aren't enacted by every Tom, Dick and Harry at every opportunity.
3. They form such a minor part of society that people don't think about them.
4. The exposure to the Haka is much more prevalent.

Give examples of the tedious European based traditions and I'll try to take issue with them.
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I suppose what gets me going about the haka is that much of those who claim it to be their culture, don't actually have it as their culture. I would imagine there is huge depth of culture and history of the Maori's and I think its disingenuous to claim that as your own if it's clearly not. I imagine it's only the Haka that gains ownership and not the rest of the culture and history. Maybe I'm wrong.
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YOYO wrote:It is obvious that the haka is a fairly recent phenomenon.. as is witnessed on this video https://youtu.be/htCTWZqCMhQ ... the players hadn't a breeze what they were at.
Did it become popular when the AB's started playing Maori players?
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So much ignorance in this thread.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taiaroa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888%E2%8 ... tball_team


You all sound straight out of the 1800s. Do you get upset and confused when you hear people playing negro music too?
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Why do brits sing "Swing Low Sweet Chariot"?

Have looked online to see why a slavery song is sung at rugby grounds....came across some rather dodgy stuff in explanations....Some rugby fans claim to have sung it as early as the 1960s, as part of a drinking game accompanied with an elaborate series of sexual hand gestures.

Really?
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dr dre2 wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.

New mark of plane in the fleet. IT'S HAKA TIME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkEiWwSrFI

There was no jig in Cardiff to welcome the first bendy bus.

Most of you are European in origin and it looks a little silly, especially when you want to show off drunk in Europe.
Traditional context? Are you one of those who only know haka as a "war Dance"? If so, you should probably do a bit more research. Perhaps even research the context of the haka you are probably most familiar with.

You might find that doing a Haka to mark a new plane in the fleet is completely appropriate and isn't really much different then giving a speech and smashing a bottle of wine when launching a boat.

Why does having people of european origin being involved, who have grown up with it as part of being a New Zealander, and in many cases would have performed versions at school etc, make it silly. Do you think it's silly that Maori play rugby, which is after all an english sport? Or Welsh or Scots for that matter? Have a look at the traditions in your own culture and you will almost certainly find that many of them have been adopted from other cultures. And you will probably find that many of them have evolved over time. Your

So what if drunks makes arses of themselves doing it occasionally? Do you have similar issues with drunk displays of nationalistic pride shown by those from other nations? Is your National anthem invalidated when drunks sing it while traveling?

The problem you seem to have is that you see your own traditions has being so completely the normal way of doing things that you hardly even notice them.
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irishjonny wrote:Fat Old Git - I think there are various answers to that statement. It's not funny at all.

1. They do but not on a rugby forum
2. The equally tedious European traditions aren't enacted by every Tom, Dick and Harry at every opportunity.
3. They form such a minor part of society that people don't think about them.
4. The exposure to the Haka is much more prevalent.

Give examples of the tedious European based traditions and I'll try to take issue with them.
See my answer in previous post for detailed answer. But I'll had a question to point 2. How many times did you shake someones hand this week?
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YOYO wrote: Did it become popular when the AB's started playing Maori players?
Maori represented in our touring team in 1888, you ignorant arsehole.
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I love Haka threads. :lol:
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Mods, merge this with the spite thread plz.
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irishjonny wrote:I suppose what gets me going about the haka is that much of those who claim it to be their culture, don't actually have it as their culture. I would imagine there is huge depth of culture and history of the Maori's and I think its disingenuous to claim that as your own if it's clearly not. I imagine it's only the Haka that gains ownership and not the rest of the culture and history. Maybe I'm wrong.
You do know that Te Reo is one of NZ's three official languages, right?
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Here's a challenge for you.......in this pic, which are european and which have maori ancestry.....in 200 years time, we all will have.....our haka becomes increasingly relevant to NZ and NZers....and we'll celebrate, challenge, and welcome in our own way.....

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Clive wrote:Yes the haka is rather tedious, but they like the silly war dance so let them have it, but its become dull and its only one game in.
I hope the Lions do a Wales and stare down the NZ team after the aka, although we lost that day it felt like we were pissing from a great height
all over their dumb tradition.
The haka can't be tedious. It's the massive upscaling in the use of it over the last 20 years that is tedious.
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Maori leader backs comments about overuse of the haka

Wed, Sep 21, 2011

Peter Love, trustee of an organization which administers Maori reserves, told Fairfax media that Maori culture was being “abused” and was especially unhappy with a wave of haka “flash mobs” surrounding the World Cup.
“I’m concerned our [Maori] culture is being abused by the overuse and inappropriateness of the haka when it is performed outside special occasions,” Love said yesterday.
“The haka in our culture is something which is regarded as special and should not be bastardized by sport. Peter de Villiers is dead right when he says it is losing its respect,” he said.
Love, whose uncle is a former New Zealand Maori Rugby Board chairman, added that haka flash mobs, including more than a dozen in recent weeks, with one in Barcelona and another at the Sydney Opera House, were misguided.
“The haka is a challenge, not something which is performed as an expression of delight,” he said. “Who told those people they could do that? The haka is an orchestrated representation of our culture when it is used in an appropriate place, but it is being abused.”

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Good to see you keeping up with the times Anon.
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Enzedder wrote:Good to see you keeping up with the times Anon.
Not good to see you guys taking no notice of all the warnings over the years
Former All Blacks captain says Haka overused

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Former New Zealand skipper Taine Randell has charged in a new book that the ferocious traditional haka war dance the All Blacks perform before their matches has been overused and has lost its meaning.

"It's being over-commercialised," Randell said in Ron Palenski's just-published book Century in Black, which celebrates 100 years of All Black Test rugby.

"It's being done because it's expected and as a result it has lost some meaning.

"I think its status has been diminished because everyone does it. It's nothing special any more, though I know it means a lot to all New Zealanders."
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"warnings" :lol:
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SecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings" :lol:
Evenings SAM

Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation

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Not good to see you guys taking no notice of all the warnings over the years
So Taine (and you) agree with the call to use Kapo O Pango instead then. Good to see; I agree as well
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I blame kiwis hakaring all over the place for things like this. When I see American sports teams hakering around I blame kiwis. It saddens my heart
Haka drink maker says sorry over 'cultural misappropriation' of name
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The NZ High Commission in Ottawa is investigating after Kiwis living in Canada reported their anger at the "cultural misappropriation" of the Haka Energy Drink recently launched there. Photo / Supplied
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Anonymous. wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings" :lol:
Evenings SAM

Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation

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irishjonny wrote:I suppose what gets me going about the haka is that much of those who claim it to be their culture, don't actually have it as their culture. I would imagine there is huge depth of culture and history of the Maori's and I think its disingenuous to claim that as your own if it's clearly not. I imagine it's only the Haka that gains ownership and not the rest of the culture and history. Maybe I'm wrong.
What a clueless cunt :?
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The Kiwis are really getting upset. :uhoh:
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings" :lol:
Evenings SAM

Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation

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Anonymous. wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings" :lol:
Evenings SAM

Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
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Afternoon Anon,

Haka banter aside, are you feeling confident about the Lions' chances against the Blues? I expect them to be fully recovered from their debilitating jet lag and cruise to a 25-30 point win.
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Floppykid wrote:The Kiwis are really getting upset. :uhoh:
More like bemused by the 19th century attitudes on display. I'd add surprised by how willing many are to step forward and loudly proclaim their ignorance, but this is Planet Rugby so that's hardly a new thing. ;)
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Floppykid wrote:The Kiwis are really getting upset. :uhoh:
Why the surprised face? You fuckwits haven't got the slightest clue what you are on about, its ill informed drivel and tedious beyond belief.
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SecretAgentMan wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings" :lol:
Evenings SAM

Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
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Afternoon Anon,

Haka banter aside, are you feeling confident about the Lions' chances against the Blues? I expect them to be fully recovered from their debilitating jet lag and cruise to a 25-30 point win.
I expect them to be a lot more cohesive than the other day.For the most part because of they will have had more time together. However I wouldn't go near the spread on that game. I did take the barbarians +32 after watching the first 7 or 8 minutes the other day.

The game against The Maori is the one. They will have had time to adjust to NZ and get used to the rugby over there and it will be the virtual test side. So whatever happens before that game that is the one.
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SecretAgentMan wrote:Afternoon Anon,

Haka banter aside, are you feeling confident about the Lions' chances against the Blues? I expect them to be fully recovered from their debilitating jet lag and cruise to a 25-30 point win.
I expect them to be a lot more cohesive than the other day.For the most part because of they will have had more time together. However I wouldn't go near the spread on that game. I did take the barbarians +32 after watching the first 7 or 8 minutes the other day.

The game against The Maori is the one. They will have had time to adjust to NZ and get used to the rugby over there and it will be the virtual test side. So whatever happens before that game that is the one.
Yep, but it would've helped if they'd managed to gain even a modicum of momentum from game one. Is there a phrase meaning the opposite of "to hit the ground running"?
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