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koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:Are we seriously getting Brits telling NZ'ers what is culturally important to them in their own country? I thought those attitudes died a century ago. Cultural ethnocentrism is so 19th century boys.

No! We are just laughing at white people poking their tongues out at planes.

But you're cool with Maori doing that because it's all ethnic and cute?

I'm fine with it because it's their tradition that goes back a long way, just like Morris dancing. It's nice that it still has a place.

This is a brutal thread. And remembering Matt Dawson's piss take at the start of the World Cup it actually doesn't bode well.

Enzedder wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:
Meh, I'm 7th generation Saffer and I still have waaay more in common with Poms than Zulus.

because - for the first 6 or 6.5 generations ............

Don't pretend the Maori didn't suffer at the hands of white New Zealanders. And don't pretend they don't still suffer and lag behind today.

double post.

I like a Haka

one

once a year

It used to be great when it was an obviously spontaneous show for the spectators.

Then they paid some Broadway choreographers for a "makeover".

dr dre2 wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:it's been a spectacular overnight display. I want to add this after almost every second post.

Nobody is telling you what to do we're just laughing at you doing it. As much as you'd like the British to live up to mythical monster you've built to blame the crimes of the European New Zealanders on.

"It wasn't me that did the unspeakable to you, it was those damn Brits, would someone capable of that do your silly dance?, No! We love the dance, it wasn't us. (Quick hide grand dad's raping stick)"

dr dre2 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:
Meh, I'm 7th generation Saffer and I still have waaay more in common with Poms than Zulus.

because - for the first 6 or 6.5 generations ............

Don't pretend the Maori didn't suffer at the hands of white New Zealanders. And don't pretend they don't still suffer and lag behind today.

Not pretending at all but I can put my hand over my heart and say that the whole attitude of white NZ has changed since I was a lad.

And they suffered more at the hands of Scots, Poms, Irish and other Europeans by the way

dr dre2 wrote:

koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:Are we seriously getting Brits telling NZ'ers what is culturally important to them in their own country? I thought those attitudes died a century ago. Cultural ethnocentrism is so 19th century boys.

No! We are just laughing at white people poking their tongues out at planes.

But you're cool with Maori doing that because it's all ethnic and cute?

I'm fine with it because it's their tradition that goes back a long way, just like Morris dancing. It's nice that it still has a place.

Nah, it's clear that you find nothing of real value in Maori culture, your every word about it reeks of contempt. So you can't understand why the descendants of the invaders and the invaded would embrace each other, not because you understand Maori anger (which is a real thing) but because you find their traditions ridiculous; ok for a lot of primative ethnics, but white people really ought to have higher standards. You can't believe any "ethnic europeans" could genuinely find anything worth adopting there, you can't believe that whites and Maori growing up together could possibly produce any genuine fusion, that's your bottom line.

Enzedder wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:
Meh, I'm 7th generation Saffer and I still have waaay more in common with Poms than Zulus.

because - for the first 6 or 6.5 generations ............

Don't pretend the Maori didn't suffer at the hands of white New Zealanders. And don't pretend they don't still suffer and lag behind today.

Not pretending at all but I can put my hand over my heart and say that the whole attitude of white NZ has changed since I was a lad.

And they suffered more at the hands of Scots, Poms, Irish and other Europeans by the way

What's your ancestry Enz?

At least a Haka doesn't waste a bottle of wine. Fancy wasting a bottle of wine on an inanimate object.

iarmhiman wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:
Meh, I'm 7th generation Saffer and I still have waaay more in common with Poms than Zulus.

because - for the first 6 or 6.5 generations ............

Don't pretend the Maori didn't suffer at the hands of white New Zealanders. And don't pretend they don't still suffer and lag behind today.

Not pretending at all but I can put my hand over my heart and say that the whole attitude of white NZ has changed since I was a lad.

And they suffered more at the hands of Scots, Poms, Irish and other Europeans by the way

What's your ancestry Enz?

Kentish (please pronounce that correctly)

Fat Old Git wrote:At least a Haka doesn't waste a bottle of wine. Fancy wasting a bottle of wine on an inanimate object.

Ah, but we only break a champers bottle once. Not every time we take the boat out of the marina.

Enzedder wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:
because - for the first 6 or 6.5 generations ............

Don't pretend the Maori didn't suffer at the hands of white New Zealanders. And don't pretend they don't still suffer and lag behind today.

Not pretending at all but I can put my hand over my heart and say that the whole attitude of white NZ has changed since I was a lad.

And they suffered more at the hands of Scots, Poms, Irish and other Europeans by the way

What's your ancestry Enz?

Kentish (please pronounce that correctly)

The Kiwi accent doesn't pronounce the word I want there. Pity the second letter isn't an 'i'

Nothing to do with you Enz. I'm sure you're a great bloke but people from the south east of England are wit kant.

iarmhiman wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:
What's your ancestry Enz?

Kentish (please pronounce that correctly)

The Kiwi accent doesn't pronounce the word I want there. Pity the second letter isn't an 'i'

Nothing to do with you Enz. I'm sure you're a great bloke but people from the south east of England are plum.

Hey, I am far more Maori than Kentish, I can assure you.

A lot of hate for 'ethnic Europeans' doing a Haka when they supposedly have no right to perform a Maori ritual but no one hating on the Pacific Islanders for performing it despite them also not being Maori.

You'd think the Brits would lap up another chance to have a crack at Tana and Keven, two fine non-Maori Haka leaders.

Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:Are we seriously getting Brits telling NZ'ers what is culturally important to them in their own country? I thought those attitudes died a century ago. Cultural ethnocentrism is so 19th century boys.

No! We are just laughing at white people poking their tongues out at planes.

But you're cool with Maori doing that because it's all ethnic and cute?

I'm fine with it because it's their tradition that goes back a long way, just like Morris dancing. It's nice that it still has a place.

Nah, it's clear that you find nothing of real value in Maori culture, your every word about it reeks of contempt. So you can't understand why the descendants of the invaders and the invaded would embrace each other, not because you understand Maori anger (which is a real thing) but because you find their traditions ridiculous; ok for a lot of primative ethnics, but white people really ought to have higher standards. You can't believe any "ethnic europeans" could genuinely find anything worth adopting there, you can't believe that whites and Maori growing up together could possibly produce any genuine fusion, that's your bottom line.

Well sort of but there are plenty of European traditions that are silly too. It's nice that they are preserved but it would be silly to reproduce them in modern life every day. People ought to know better, not just white people, but that doesn't mean traditions have to be lost, there really is no actual use for a war dance in 2017 is there? At the end of the day though, the Maori or whoever make that choice and it's to be respected. White NZers on the other hand have retrospectively adopted something their own culture out grew long ago and pretend it's theirs, yes that's silly. Of course I see it as silly, it's grown men pulling faces but I find Christianity just as ridiculous.

Sandstorm wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:At least a Haka doesn't waste a bottle of wine. Fancy wasting a bottle of wine on an inanimate object.

Ah, but we only break a champers bottle once. Not every time we take the boat out of the marina.

I respectfully suggest that you haven't meet that many boaties.

koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:Are we seriously getting Brits telling NZ'ers what is culturally important to them in their own country? I thought those attitudes died a century ago. Cultural ethnocentrism is so 19th century boys.

No! We are just laughing at white people poking their tongues out at planes.

But you're cool with Maori doing that because it's all ethnic and cute?

Is there such a thing as Maori? Hasn't it been shown that the "maori" were just a tiny population of Samoans who got there just before the British?

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote:Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

Yeah.

It's got everything. Snide remarks, overt racism, welshmen. I couldn't wish for anything else.

Thomas wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote:Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

Yeah.

It's got everything. Snide remarks, overt racism, welshmen. I couldn't wish for anything else.

Some smutty innuendo perhaps? A few more rape jokes from Racist europeans?

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote:Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

Yeah.

Well the truth is often uncomfortable. But I'm pleased to have set you straight. You can now all move on and have a grown up chat about how you go forward, instead of rallying around blaming the British and delusional cultural appropriation to distract from the guilt/anger that would otherwise get in the way. Maybe say sorry and start from there.

Shrekles wrote:

Thomas wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote:Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

Yeah.

It's got everything. Snide remarks, overt racism, welshmen. I couldn't wish for anything else.

Some smutty innuendo perhaps? A few more rape jokes from Racist europeans?

You might want to suggest some of your on-line crew to step up ... from being acquainted with the most lurid areas of Thailand and the Philippines to the casual familiarity and obsession with forced prison sex, I think you have the team to deliver!

... enough smutty in-your-end-do for ye ... ?

guy smiley wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote:Well, isn't this a fantastic thread.

Yeah.

Well the truth is often uncomfortable. But I'm pleased to have set you straight. You can now all move on and have a grown up chat about how you go forward, instead of rallying around blaming the British and delusional cultural appropriation to distract from the guilt/anger that would otherwise get in the way. Maybe say sorry and start from there.

You're a bit of a racist f*cktard, mate.

You're going to have to back that up? Maybe point it out?

I've been preaching cultural tolerance and pointing out cultural appropriation.

Culture. Pointless thing anyhow. Dangerous like nostalgia and nationalism. Like being born on a certain patch of land or into a certain culture should have any bearing on who you should be. Halts the evolution of man and turns us all into sheep. Hold back free thought and encourages us to be divisive.

koroke hangareka wrote: Nah, it's clear that you find nothing of real value in Maori culture, your every word about it reeks of contempt. So you can't understand why the descendants of the invaders and the invaded would embrace each other, not because you understand Maori anger (which is a real thing) but because you find their traditions ridiculous; ok for a lot of primative ethnics, but white people really ought to have higher standards. You can't believe any "ethnic europeans" could genuinely find anything worth adopting there, you can't believe that whites and Maori growing up together could possibly produce any genuine fusion, that's your bottom line.

That post gave me warm fuzzies and made me a little homesick. Very well said too.

Let's boil it down, in dr dre2's eye the dude on the left looks silly doing the haka and the one on the right is fine to do it...

Is the Blues player a Maori?

irishjonny wrote:Is the Blues player a Maori?

There's no such thing as Maori. Keep up!

Is this like Spartacus?

irishjonny wrote:Is the Blues player a Maori?

The question is who of the two would look silly doing the haka in your eyes?

Grizz Wyllie wrote:Let's boil it down, in dr dre2's eye the dude on the left looks silly doing the haka and the one on the right is fine to do it...

Looks can be deceiving but whether it looks silly and whether it makes sense culturally are two different things. The white guy may look silly and make sense culturally. The other guy may be the opposite. Is the white guy 1/36 Maori having one in his ancestors but been brought up in an entirely European family otherwise?

irishjonny wrote:Culture. Pointless thing anyhow. Dangerous like nostalgia and nationalism. Like being born on a certain patch of land or into a certain culture should have any bearing on who you should be. Halts the evolution of man and turns us all into sheep. Hold back free thought and encourages us to be divisive.

yeah, that's why you're irishjonny. your inexplicable subordination to culture and nationalism has turned out into a sheep and has encourage your divisiveness. Shame on you, jonny

You're trying to elicit a racist response there, in a manufactured analogue question. Poor form and lazy.

I would also suggest you tell me the lottery numbers this week, if you can read another guys mind.

Toro wrote:

irishjonny wrote:Is the Blues player a Maori?

The question is who of the two would look silly doing the haka in your eyes?

This is a trick question, right?
Because the answer is definitely both of them.

Just a name comrade. Just a name. Not a philosophy.

Who are you? The International Spokesman for Culture? Gonna get your Culture Police on me?

cubby boi wrote:

koroke hangareka wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:Are we seriously getting Brits telling NZ'ers what is culturally important to them in their own country? I thought those attitudes died a century ago. Cultural ethnocentrism is so 19th century boys.

No! We are just laughing at white people poking their tongues out at planes.

But you're cool with Maori doing that because it's all ethnic and cute?

Is there such a thing as Maori? Hasn't it been shown that the "maori" were just a tiny population of Samoans who got there just before the British?

Kovana - is that you?

Anyway, your history is wrong, Samoa, and Western Polynesia had been well left behind by this stage, we were just a tiny population of Cook Islanders and French Polynesians then we arrived in NZ and then apparently the culture stood still until jolly Europeans came to stop the haka boogie but all they succeeded in doing was raping us (dr dre2, pp: 1-6).

Toro wrote:

irishjonny wrote:Is the Blues player a Maori?

The question is who of the two would look silly doing the haka in your eyes?

But I've got a question for you. Do the white NZers subscribe (in general) to other aspects, beliefs and traditions of the Maori people? Or is it just the bad ass warrior related bits? Have you replaced the European bits with Maori bits or did you just learn a few things in school?

dr dre2 wrote:

Grizz Wyllie wrote:Let's boil it down, in dr dre2's eye the dude on the left looks silly doing the haka and the one on the right is fine to do it...

Looks can be deceiving but whether it looks silly and whether it makes sense culturally are two different things. The white guy may look silly and make sense culturally. The other guy may be the opposite. Is the white guy 1/36 Maori having one in his ancestors but been brought up in an entirely European family otherwise?

Yep. Racist fucktard.