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Great idea!Rowdy wrote:Why don't at least the English and Welsh give them a big V sign in return? They can have their imaginary dance and we reply with a real challenge.
1 post per haka?Tehui wrote:This is the 167,543,321st haka post.irishjonny wrote:Anyone got a tally? Would be interesting to see how many are done during the tour.
0 points for originality I'm afraid.
I hope they meet this tradition with the traditional reponse. Volley fire.Clive wrote:Yes the haka is rather tedious, but they like the silly war dance so let them have it, but its become dull and its only one game in.
I hope the Lions do a Wales and stare down the NZ team after the aka, although we lost that day it felt like we were pissing from a great height
all over their dumb tradition.
imagehostingJust noticing the maori tattoos on the thighs... I remember Tamati Ellison had one as well.
bealonian wrote:I actually had a friend un-friend me on his weekend, after I fired a salvo (bantz, obvs) over the number of Hakas as a wind up. He immediately jumped to call me insensitive and racist and, after a couple of exchanges, did the deed.
Still a little bemused actually but taught me one thing.
Haka. Serious business.
Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
dr dre2 wrote:Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
New mark of plane in the fleet. IT'S HAKA TIME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkEiWwSrFI
There was no jig in Cardiff to welcome the first bendy bus.
YOYO wrote:It is obvious that the haka is a fairly recent phenomenon.. as is witnessed on this video https://youtu.be/htCTWZqCMhQ ... the players hadn't a breeze what they were at.
Did it become popular when the AB's started playing Maori players?
Traditional context? Are you one of those who only know haka as a "war Dance"? If so, you should probably do a bit more research. Perhaps even research the context of the haka you are probably most familiar with.dr dre2 wrote:Because they are rarely done and when they are it's in traditional context and/or settings not at the opening of an envelope.Fat Old Git wrote:It funny how none of those taking issue with haka take issue with equally tedious (at the very least) European based traditions.
New mark of plane in the fleet. IT'S HAKA TIME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkEiWwSrFI
There was no jig in Cardiff to welcome the first bendy bus.
Most of you are European in origin and it looks a little silly, especially when you want to show off drunk in Europe.
See my answer in previous post for detailed answer. But I'll had a question to point 2. How many times did you shake someones hand this week?irishjonny wrote:Fat Old Git - I think there are various answers to that statement. It's not funny at all.
1. They do but not on a rugby forum
2. The equally tedious European traditions aren't enacted by every Tom, Dick and Harry at every opportunity.
3. They form such a minor part of society that people don't think about them.
4. The exposure to the Haka is much more prevalent.
Give examples of the tedious European based traditions and I'll try to take issue with them.
Maori represented in our touring team in 1888, you ignorant arsehole.YOYO wrote: Did it become popular when the AB's started playing Maori players?
You do know that Te Reo is one of NZ's three official languages, right?irishjonny wrote:I suppose what gets me going about the haka is that much of those who claim it to be their culture, don't actually have it as their culture. I would imagine there is huge depth of culture and history of the Maori's and I think its disingenuous to claim that as your own if it's clearly not. I imagine it's only the Haka that gains ownership and not the rest of the culture and history. Maybe I'm wrong.
uploading picturesThe haka can't be tedious. It's the massive upscaling in the use of it over the last 20 years that is tedious.Clive wrote:Yes the haka is rather tedious, but they like the silly war dance so let them have it, but its become dull and its only one game in.
I hope the Lions do a Wales and stare down the NZ team after the aka, although we lost that day it felt like we were pissing from a great height
all over their dumb tradition.
a Maxim to live and die by...camroc1 wrote:No Thompson guns ?
Maori leader backs comments about overuse of the haka
Wed, Sep 21, 2011
Peter Love, trustee of an organization which administers Maori reserves, told Fairfax media that Maori culture was being “abused” and was especially unhappy with a wave of haka “flash mobs” surrounding the World Cup.
“I’m concerned our [Maori] culture is being abused by the overuse and inappropriateness of the haka when it is performed outside special occasions,” Love said yesterday.
“The haka in our culture is something which is regarded as special and should not be bastardized by sport. Peter de Villiers is dead right when he says it is losing its respect,” he said.
Love, whose uncle is a former New Zealand Maori Rugby Board chairman, added that haka flash mobs, including more than a dozen in recent weeks, with one in Barcelona and another at the Sydney Opera House, were misguided.
“The haka is a challenge, not something which is performed as an expression of delight,” he said. “Who told those people they could do that? The haka is an orchestrated representation of our culture when it is used in an appropriate place, but it is being abused.”
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/a ... 2003513797
Not good to see you guys taking no notice of all the warnings over the yearsEnzedder wrote:Good to see you keeping up with the times Anon.
Former All Blacks captain says Haka overused
Updated 29 Jun 2003,
Former New Zealand skipper Taine Randell has charged in a new book that the ferocious traditional haka war dance the All Blacks perform before their matches has been overused and has lost its meaning.
"It's being over-commercialised," Randell said in Ron Palenski's just-published book Century in Black, which celebrates 100 years of All Black Test rugby.
"It's being done because it's expected and as a result it has lost some meaning.
"I think its status has been diminished because everyone does it. It's nothing special any more, though I know it means a lot to all New Zealanders."
Evenings SAMSecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings"
So Taine (and you) agree with the call to use Kapo O Pango instead then. Good to see; I agree as wellNot good to see you guys taking no notice of all the warnings over the years
Haka drink maker says sorry over 'cultural misappropriation' of name
The NZ High Commission in Ottawa is investigating after Kiwis living in Canada reported their anger at the "cultural misappropriation" of the Haka Energy Drink recently launched there. Photo / Supplied
What is that thing around his neck? What is it's purpose?Anonymous. wrote:Evenings SAMSecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings"
Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
What a clueless cuntirishjonny wrote:I suppose what gets me going about the haka is that much of those who claim it to be their culture, don't actually have it as their culture. I would imagine there is huge depth of culture and history of the Maori's and I think its disingenuous to claim that as your own if it's clearly not. I imagine it's only the Haka that gains ownership and not the rest of the culture and history. Maybe I'm wrong.
He uses it to hide his Pounamu from prying eyes.Fat Old Git wrote:What is that thing around his neck? What is it's purpose?Anonymous. wrote:Evenings SAMSecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings"
Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
Afternoon Anon,Anonymous. wrote:Evenings SAMSecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings"
Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
Spoiler: show
More like bemused by the 19th century attitudes on display. I'd add surprised by how willing many are to step forward and loudly proclaim their ignorance, but this is Planet Rugby so that's hardly a new thing.Floppykid wrote:The Kiwis are really getting upset.
Why the surprised face? You fuckwits haven't got the slightest clue what you are on about, its ill informed drivel and tedious beyond belief.Floppykid wrote:The Kiwis are really getting upset.
I expect them to be a lot more cohesive than the other day.For the most part because of they will have had more time together. However I wouldn't go near the spread on that game. I did take the barbarians +32 after watching the first 7 or 8 minutes the other day.SecretAgentMan wrote:Afternoon Anon,Anonymous. wrote:Evenings SAMSecretAgentMan wrote:"warnings"
Yes dire warnings of cultural misappropriation
Spoiler: show
Haka banter aside, are you feeling confident about the Lions' chances against the Blues? I expect them to be fully recovered from their debilitating jet lag and cruise to a 25-30 point win.
Yep, but it would've helped if they'd managed to gain even a modicum of momentum from game one. Is there a phrase meaning the opposite of "to hit the ground running"?Anonymous. wrote:I expect them to be a lot more cohesive than the other day.For the most part because of they will have had more time together. However I wouldn't go near the spread on that game. I did take the barbarians +32 after watching the first 7 or 8 minutes the other day.SecretAgentMan wrote:Afternoon Anon,
Haka banter aside, are you feeling confident about the Lions' chances against the Blues? I expect them to be fully recovered from their debilitating jet lag and cruise to a 25-30 point win.
The game against The Maori is the one. They will have had time to adjust to NZ and get used to the rugby over there and it will be the virtual test side. So whatever happens before that game that is the one.
