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OFFICIAL UNOFFICIAL 4th TEST MATCH THREAD Crusaders vs Lions

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WHEN:
Saturday 10th June

WHERE:
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand

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KICKOFF:
Local time – 7.35pm
UK time – 8.35am
AEST - 5:35pm
SA time - 9:35am

VENUE:
AMI Stadium, Addington
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TEAMS:
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Head Coach: Scott Robertson
Captain: Sam Whitelock

[1. Joe Moody
2. Codie Taylor
3. Owen Franks
4. Luke Romano
5. Sam Whitelock (C)
6. Heiden Bedwell-Curtis
7. Matt Todd (VC)
8. Jordan Taufua
9. Bryn Hall
10. Richie Mo'unga
11. George Bridge
12. David Havili
13. Jack Goodhue
14. Seta Tamanivalu
15. Israel Dagg

RESERVES
16. Ben Funnell
17. Wyatt Crockett
18. Michael Alaalatoa
19. Quinten Strange
20. Jed Brown
21. Mitchell Drummond
22. Mitchell Hunt
23. Tim Bateman

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Head Coach: Warren Gatland
Captain: Alun Wyn Jones

15 Stuart Hogg – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland, 783
14 George North – Northampton Saints, Wales, #792
13 Jonathan Davies – Scarlets, Wales, #778
12 Ben Te’o – Worcester Warriors, England, #815
11 Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #832
10 Owen Farrell – Saracens, England, #780
9 Conor Murray – Munster, Ireland, #790

1 Mako Vunipola – Saracens, England, #787
2 Jamie George – Saracens, England, #818
3 Tadhg Furlong – Leinster, Ireland, #817
4 Alun Wyn Jones (capt) – Ospreys, Wales, #761
5 George Kruis – Saracens, England, #819
6 Peter O’Mahony – Munster, Ireland, #833
7 Sean O’Brien – Leinster, Ireland, #796
8 Taulupe Faletau – Bath Rugby, Wales, #779

16 Ken Owens – Scarlets, Wales, #829
17 Jack McGrath – Leinster, Ireland, #827
18 Dan Cole – Leicester, England, #794
19 Maro Itoje – Saracens, England, #825
20 CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831
21 Rhys Webb – Ospreys, Wales, #820
22 Johnny Sexton – Leinster, Ireland, #791
23 Anthony Watson – Bath Rugby, England, #816

REFEREES:
Mathieu Raynal, France
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From the worst NZ side, to the best. Lions might want to up their game.
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Given the blues faced the midweek team, can we assume the team the Crusaders will face will be at a higher level?
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I'm avoiding the other thread as I haven't had a chance to watch the second half yet.

Have the Lions ever beaten Canterbury? I seem to remember their record is particularly appalling there.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:From the worst NZ side, to the best. Lions might want to up their game.
like fudge. highest ranked I will accept but the current champs are the best until some other bugger wins it :x
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Tim. wrote:I'm avoiding the other thread as I haven't had a chance to watch the second half yet.

Have the Lions ever beaten Canterbury? I seem to remember their record is particularly appalling there.
A quick google says they beat them 14-3 in 1971. But I can't find a list of all the results.
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I won't admit to having watched the 1971 match vs Canterbury as I don't want people to think I am an old fucker
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The Crusaders will be without their best forward and best back. Tonight's result will make their task even tougher.
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Kiwias wrote:I won't admit to having watched the 1971 match vs Canterbury as I don't want people to think I am an old fucker
well I will concede that you are younger than Enz, then again so was adam . . . :P
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I'll be in a plane unable to watch this one. Probably for the best, I don't like No-Lube Rugby.
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Sandstorm wrote:I'll be in a plane unable to watch this one. Probably for the best, I don't like No-Lube Rugby.
planes have wifi now ( if you were a real rugby fan . . )
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Tim. wrote:I'm avoiding the other thread as I haven't had a chance to watch the second half yet.

Have the Lions ever beaten Canterbury? I seem to remember their record is particularly appalling there.
A quick google says they beat them 14-3 in 1971. But I can't find a list of all the results.
Seems there was a glorious 8-6 win in 1966. Bodes well. :uhoh:
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after tonight, Crusaders by 30 :evil: :evil:
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I'd sacrifice this one for the Super Rugby title.
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It's a great opportunity to kick the dicey wheel right off the Lions wagon, and watch the whole cart burn.

It should be a tight match with the Saders class and skill seeing them through. On the evidence of tonight, the Lions only had a scrum and that's not going to do them any good on Saturday.

The Lions can't score tries. They can't even score tries by way of individual brilliance, dumb luck or complete accident. The most incompetent NZ super rugby side just rinsed them in the try stakes 3-1.
They went even with a bunch of plumbers and farmers in Whangarei.

Foot on the throat time for NZ Rugby here.
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Nice stadium
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sonic_attack wrote:It's a great opportunity to kick the dicey wheel right off the Lions wagon, and watch the whole cart burn.

It should be a tight match with the Saders class and skill seeing them through. On the evidence of tonight, the Lions only had a scrum and that's not going to do them any good on Saturday.

The Lions can't score tries. They can't even score tries by way of individual brilliance, dumb luck or complete accident. The most incompetent NZ super rugby side just rinsed them in the try stakes 3-1.
They went even with a bunch of plumbers and farmers in Whangarei.

Foot on the throat time for NZ Rugby here.
Where is the fun in that though? How do you get excited for the tests...
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Tim. wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
Tim. wrote:I'm avoiding the other thread as I haven't had a chance to watch the second half yet.

Have the Lions ever beaten Canterbury? I seem to remember their record is particularly appalling there.
A quick google says they beat them 14-3 in 1971. But I can't find a list of all the results.
Seems there was a glorious 8-6 win in 1966. Bodes well. :uhoh:
If it's any consolation, they're not playing Canterbury. They're playing the Crusaders. Who play in Super Rugby, the level above the provincial competition that Canterbury play in.

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Might be worth resting some of those Crusader All Blacks after all.
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I figured they've never played the Crusaders so was just musing on non-Test games in Canterbury.
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Dai another day wrote:Nice stadium
Given it was erected very quickly and is made almost entirely out of scaffolding they're done a pretty good job.
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Dagg needs to play 15 in this cause its the only way he can get the AB14 jersey back! cause Naholo, Lowe, Laumapi and NMS are slowly going up the pecking order.
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Can you play your second string and keep it under 20? Cheers.
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Anyway, this question still needs an answer.
Fat Old Git wrote:Given the blues faced the midweek team, can we assume the team the Crusaders will face will be at a higher level?
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Unofficial 4th test match? A bit arrogant with that description.
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Dai another day wrote:Nice stadium
:lol: :thumbup:
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Hogg
Williams
JD2
Teo
North
Farrell
Murray
Faletau
SOB
POM
Kruis
AWJ
Furlong
George
Mako


Webb
Biggar (if fit)
Watson
McGrath
Owens
Cole
Itoje
Moriarty
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Fat Old Git wrote:Anyway, this question still needs an answer.
Fat Old Git wrote:Given the blues faced the midweek team, can we assume the team the Crusaders will face will be at a higher level?
No-one knows. The Lions are in disarray and haven't a clue who their best 15 is. Or even best 5.
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We need to pick at least 12 of the test team in this game, give them time to gel together and get better.
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ElementFreak wrote:We need to pick at least 12 of the test team in this game, give them time to gel together and get better.
No one has really put their hand up, bar Sinckler and maybe Lawes. Even then, I don't really think they are considered starters as it stands so we're a bit f**ked atm.
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Agreed, however there are a few players who haven't played/started yet who you would imagine are sort of pencilled into the test side. Play them and then work it out from there.

I agree about Lawes, however I think Kruis and Itoje offer more as a pair compared to Kruis and Lawes.
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I assume Gatland wakes up Thursday morning and names his 23. 48 hours is the norm. Geez, that's a tough turnaround.
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Can't wait. Should be a fantastic game. I expect a huge backlash from the Lions after tonight, and a stronger side.

Having said that, they'll need to up their game quickly. The Crusaders have arguably the best set piece in Super Rugby, so the Lions shouldn't expect the same level of dominance in that area as they enjoyed against the Blues.

From a selection point of view, Crotty's replacement and the make up of the back three are the major questions, assuming Robertson plays a full strength team elsewhere. I expect Bateman will slot into 12 as he has in Crotty's absence in other games, although we could perhaps see a Tamanivalu/Goodhue combo (not sure if either can really play 12 though). Doing so would solve the other issue of who to exclude out of Dagg, Havili, Bridge, and Tamanivalu. Otherwise, I think Dagg needs a start, and Bridge hasn't quite shown the same form in recent weeks, so could be the unlucky one to miss out.

The loose forward combination may be another area of contention. I expect Bedwell-Curtis will get another shot at 6, but he needs to up his game quickly after an underwhelming performance against the Highlanders.

Crusaders by 12.
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mrbrownstone wrote:Crusaders by 12.
I am picking Lions by 2, prompting calls for this XV to be the test team and setting the tour off on a magnificent roller coaster of emotion and spite.
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I think the Lions will win this :nod:
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Lions will still be finding their feet with a number appearing for the first time on this tour. I expect a Saders win.

Hopefully we'll see a few Lions test combinations begin to form. Murray/Farrell being the key one they have to get right and get clicking.
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rfurlong wrote:Hogg
Williams
JD2
Teo
North
Farrell
Murray
Faletau
SOB
POM
Kruis
AWJ
Furlong
George
Mako


Webb
Biggar (if fit)
Watson
McGrath
Owens
Cole
Itoje
Moriarty

I was about to make my own prediction when I saw this one.

Almost picks itself doesn't it, with the following players having not yet started :

Mako, George, Furlong, Kruis, O'Brien, Murray, Farrell, North, Davies, Williams.

And that looks a pretty strong core of a side to me, and possibly something that Gatland has had in mind as being a big part of his potential first test line up.

Assuming that starters from today, are probably unlikely to start on saturday, I'd be inclined to fill the gaps in as follows :

Wyn Jones, Warburton, Falatau, Teo, and possible Watson.

So very similar to the side above.

Suspect the big guns will then be saved for the following saturday.
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Gatland said he was going to ensure that everyone got a game in the first three matches, so I expect that the team will reflect that and the possible Test team won't be seen until Tuesday.

I think the team posted by 'rfurlong' will be close to the one selected, or should be.

There have been some indifferent performances so far by individuals who still need to settle after the long journey down-under and I fully believe that as time goes on they can only get better, and systems will improve the nearer we get to the Tests.
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johnmac99 wrote:Gatland said he was going to ensure that everyone got a game in the first three matches, so I expect that the team will reflect that and the possible Test team won't be seen until Tuesday.

I think the team posted by 'rfurlong' will be close to the one selected, or should be.

There have been some indifferent performances so far by individuals who still need to settle after the long journey down-under and I fully believe that as time goes on they can only get better, and systems will improve the nearer we get to the Tests.
If the provisional test team plays together mid week next week, do you see the (majority of the) same players playing again against the Maoris on the following saturday ? If not, when do you see them playing together again ?
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Dai another day wrote:Nice stadium
Trolling earthquake disasters are we?
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