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Ted. wrote:
jolindien wrote:I remember as a kid watching this "rare" haka thing like it was an alien mothership landing on earth. It was during the night or on a very early morning,. How exotic were these tests in NZ. Back then it was really some event and a thing of rarity.
So what you are saying is that Maori culture should only be trotted out for the tourists and on rare occasions, a rugby match?

Some people might say that is an extremely bigoted or even racist stance to hold.
Not at all !
I say that, we, on the civilized world, were very keen to discover all the marvels of the hidden world back then, and that each part of a tour in NZ was such an event.

Now, i am happy that you guys embrassed the civilized and modern world even if, as keen newbies (which is a fair and nice thing, hey), your enthusiasm may have coca-colazed that great thing that is the haka.
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Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
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I love the haka
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BBB wrote:
jolindien wrote:I remember as a kid watching this "rare" haka thing like it was an alien mothership landing on earth. It was during the night or on a very early morning,. How exotic were these tests in NZ. Back then it was really some event and a thing of rarity.
Your "Alien Mothership" metaphor is a good one as you seem to be squealing about the Haka like someone who has been kidnapped by aliens and had an Anal Probing before being beamed back down to earth wondering if it was all just a bad dream.
Anal gouging ? you guys seem to turn proper european practices into borderline things...
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BBB wrote:
Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
HELL NO!

Being able to tell Immigration officials how to pronounce my place of birth when they're looking through my passport is a source of endless schoolboy tittering.
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Turbogoat wrote:
BBB wrote:
Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
HELL NO!

Being able to tell Immigration officials how to pronounce my place of birth when they're looking through my passport is a source of endless schoolboy tittering.
Shirely, Whaka no!
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BBB wrote:
Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
:uhoh: There's a difference in that than screaming in the face of others who may or may not welcome it, but your going to project it on as many people as you can anyway. Look at me I'm honouring you, could you do it more quietly please and not poke your tongue so much it's f**king disgusting or go honour someone else.nah mate I'm honouring the fudge out of you despite your protests.

That's not the same thing as getting offended on a visit to wookie hole.
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but didn't the All Blacks change the gesture to be across the chest as a result of the initial disquiet over Kapo o Pango?
Nope, maybe one or two of them changed, most still go across throat. Funny how it's only been brought up now.

Here's a 2016 version, watch Izzy Dagg (second row from front, on right) at about 1.15 https://youtu.be/Z60PGuxnHmw
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I didn't think the Blues Haka was as good as the ABs.
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J Man wrote:It's the universal gesture for slitting a throat - I don't care what the composer's intention was. I can't do a wanking motion and then claim "no, it signifying a rebirth of life. Stop being so ignorant".
A solid point, this isn't the first time it's been an issue. After the first renditions of Kapa O Pango they seemed to make the gesture more clearly across the chest, some didn't like Nonu. If it confusing universal symbols for something else there's no reason another action can't be used, doesn't help the universal thinking that it's a threatening dance given the words say nothing of the sort.
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Maybe scrap the Haka?
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Floppykid wrote:Maybe scrap the Haka?
That would be like scraping the Lions.

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dr dre2 wrote:And thank you santa. As nothing I've said is disrespectful to Maori. I've said all along, it's a fine tradition for that nation of people, in it's place.
A song in an official language of New Zealand can only be sung by some New Zealanders? Edgy.
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rugga. wrote:
but didn't the All Blacks change the gesture to be across the chest as a result of the initial disquiet over Kapo o Pango?
Nope, maybe one or two of them changed, most still go across throat. Funny how it's only been brought up now.

Here's a 2016 version, watch Izzy Dagg (second row from front, on right) at about 1.15 https://youtu.be/Z60PGuxnHmw
a) There was a huge outcry at the time

b) they definitely changed it

From Wiki:

"Kapa o Pango" concludes with what has been interpreted as a "throat slitting" gesture that led to accusations that "Kapa o Pango" encourages violence, and sends the wrong message to All Blacks fans.[4] However, according to Lardelli, the gesture represents "drawing vital energy into the heart and lungs".[5]

The All Blacks opted not to perform "Kapa o Pango" in their opening test of 2006 against Ireland. It was requested that they perform their usual "Ka Mate" haka while a review was conducted into "Kapa o Pango".[6] The throat-slitting action at the end of "Kapa o Pango" had drawn many complaints in the lead-up to the Irish test, with members of the public complaining about it to the NZRU. The NZRU said that it was not because of public pressure that it was not performed against Ireland.

In the run-up to the first All Blacks Test of the 2006 Tri Nations at Jade Stadium in Christchurch against Australia, the NZRU completed their review, and concluded that the gesture had a radically different meaning within Māori culture and haka traditions, indicating the drawing of "hauora", the breath of life into the heart and lungs. As a result, "Kapa o Pango" was performed, complete with the final gesture, before the Australia test.

Despite this, the controversial gesture was withdrawn in 2007, with a modified action (raking the right arm from the left hip to over the right shoulder) performed in the challenge when "Kapa o Pango" was performed in test matches against France and South Africa. During the 2008 Tri Nations series, the All Blacks appear to have reverted to the original action of drawing the hand across the throat.
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Can we all just agree that it's a flowery dance with a bit of shouting and tongue-poking, that allows the boys to get a bit worked up before a game. It's the equivalent of shouting and butting heads in the changing-rooms, but it's allowed on the pitch and protected 'because culcha'.
Watching the non-Maori lads 'embracing their culcha' is pretty embarrassing stuff at the best of times.
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BBB wrote:
Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
Maybe NZ and the Blues should send out a press release or brief the commentators on the significance of each hand gesture? It's not like everyone in the world knows about a fairly obscure war dance and gesture of a fairly obscure nation on the other side of the world.
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JM2K6 wrote:
rugga. wrote:
but didn't the All Blacks change the gesture to be across the chest as a result of the initial disquiet over Kapo o Pango?
Nope, maybe one or two of them changed, most still go across throat. Funny how it's only been brought up now.

Here's a 2016 version, watch Izzy Dagg (second row from front, on right) at about 1.15 https://youtu.be/Z60PGuxnHmw
a) There was a huge outcry at the time

b) they definitely changed it

From Wiki:

"Kapa o Pango" concludes with what has been interpreted as a "throat slitting" gesture that led to accusations that "Kapa o Pango" encourages violence, and sends the wrong message to All Blacks fans.[4] However, according to Lardelli, the gesture represents "drawing vital energy into the heart and lungs".[5]

The All Blacks opted not to perform "Kapa o Pango" in their opening test of 2006 against Ireland. It was requested that they perform their usual "Ka Mate" haka while a review was conducted into "Kapa o Pango".[6] The throat-slitting action at the end of "Kapa o Pango" had drawn many complaints in the lead-up to the Irish test, with members of the public complaining about it to the NZRU. The NZRU said that it was not because of public pressure that it was not performed against Ireland.

In the run-up to the first All Blacks Test of the 2006 Tri Nations at Jade Stadium in Christchurch against Australia, the NZRU completed their review, and concluded that the gesture had a radically different meaning within Māori culture and haka traditions, indicating the drawing of "hauora", the breath of life into the heart and lungs. As a result, "Kapa o Pango" was performed, complete with the final gesture, before the Australia test.

Despite this, the controversial gesture was withdrawn in 2007, with a modified action (raking the right arm from the left hip to over the right shoulder) performed in the challenge when "Kapa o Pango" was performed in test matches against France and South Africa. During the 2008 Tri Nations series, the All Blacks appear to have reverted to the original action of drawing the hand across the throat.
Read the last sentence, after your bolded bit.
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Ted. wrote:
jolindien wrote:I remember as a kid watching this "rare" haka thing like it was an alien mothership landing on earth. It was during the night or on a very early morning,. How exotic were these tests in NZ. Back then it was really some event and a thing of rarity.
So what you are saying is that Maori culture should only be trotted out for the tourists and on rare occasions, a rugby match?

Some people might say that is an extremely bigoted or even racist stance to hold.

Nothing like seeing the precious ones getting on their high horses
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rugga. wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
rugga. wrote:
but didn't the All Blacks change the gesture to be across the chest as a result of the initial disquiet over Kapo o Pango?
Nope, maybe one or two of them changed, most still go across throat. Funny how it's only been brought up now.

Here's a 2016 version, watch Izzy Dagg (second row from front, on right) at about 1.15 https://youtu.be/Z60PGuxnHmw
a) There was a huge outcry at the time

b) they definitely changed it

From Wiki:

"Kapa o Pango" concludes with what has been interpreted as a "throat slitting" gesture that led to accusations that "Kapa o Pango" encourages violence, and sends the wrong message to All Blacks fans.[4] However, according to Lardelli, the gesture represents "drawing vital energy into the heart and lungs".[5]

The All Blacks opted not to perform "Kapa o Pango" in their opening test of 2006 against Ireland. It was requested that they perform their usual "Ka Mate" haka while a review was conducted into "Kapa o Pango".[6] The throat-slitting action at the end of "Kapa o Pango" had drawn many complaints in the lead-up to the Irish test, with members of the public complaining about it to the NZRU. The NZRU said that it was not because of public pressure that it was not performed against Ireland.

In the run-up to the first All Blacks Test of the 2006 Tri Nations at Jade Stadium in Christchurch against Australia, the NZRU completed their review, and concluded that the gesture had a radically different meaning within Māori culture and haka traditions, indicating the drawing of "hauora", the breath of life into the heart and lungs. As a result, "Kapa o Pango" was performed, complete with the final gesture, before the Australia test.

Despite this, the controversial gesture was withdrawn in 2007, with a modified action (raking the right arm from the left hip to over the right shoulder) performed in the challenge when "Kapa o Pango" was performed in test matches against France and South Africa. During the 2008 Tri Nations series, the All Blacks appear to have reverted to the original action of drawing the hand across the throat.
Read the last sentence, after your bolded bit.
Read the first quote in our exchange (or, even better, the original post). You'll see I was making the point that the NZRU knew it could be a bit controversial. Additionally, you said it wasn't changed and it's "only been brought up now", so I posted proof to the contrary.
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Modern world has gone soft. Our school Haka had words and gestures indicating that we were entering the battlefield in a fully aroused state and were about to rip open our opponent's gut and the use his corpse as our plaything.

Say that today and there would be an outrage, madness.
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Bullettyme wrote:
BBB wrote:
Calculus wrote:
Croft wrote:So are the Crusaders going to do one?
They've sensibly decided not to do the throat slitting gesture. Pretty brain dead by the Blues to do it but not surprising to see so many Kiwis defending it.
:lol: "Brain dead by the Blues" yet no matter how many times a minority of hand-wringers are told what the gesture means,they still want to be offended.
Maybe the good people of Whakatane should change the name of their town as the first 2 syllables are obviously going to be offensive to some,as soon as they find out the place exists.
Maybe NZ and the Blues should send out a press release or brief the commentators on the significance of each hand gesture? It's not like everyone in the world knows about a fairly obscure war dance and gesture of a fairly obscure nation on the other side of the world.
Fair idea,but you don't seriously think that will satisfy the hand wringers that need to be offended,do you?
Most of them know what the deal is already.Hasnt changed a thing.
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Actually I think the Crusaders are planning on putting a show more in keeping with the British and Irish so as not to upset them quite as much.

I think their mascots are going to ride around the outside of the field on their horses butchering the males in the stands with their swords and raping the womenfolk.

Maybe just the young ones, as the older Kiwi women are all ugly.
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JM2K6 wrote:
rugga. wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
rugga. wrote:
but didn't the All Blacks change the gesture to be across the chest as a result of the initial disquiet over Kapo o Pango?
Nope, maybe one or two of them changed, most still go across throat. Funny how it's only been brought up now.

Here's a 2016 version, watch Izzy Dagg (second row from front, on right) at about 1.15 https://youtu.be/Z60PGuxnHmw
a) There was a huge outcry at the time

b) they definitely changed it

From Wiki:

"Kapa o Pango" concludes with what has been interpreted as a "throat slitting" gesture that led to accusations that "Kapa o Pango" encourages violence, and sends the wrong message to All Blacks fans.[4] However, according to Lardelli, the gesture represents "drawing vital energy into the heart and lungs".[5]

The All Blacks opted not to perform "Kapa o Pango" in their opening test of 2006 against Ireland. It was requested that they perform their usual "Ka Mate" haka while a review was conducted into "Kapa o Pango".[6] The throat-slitting action at the end of "Kapa o Pango" had drawn many complaints in the lead-up to the Irish test, with members of the public complaining about it to the NZRU. The NZRU said that it was not because of public pressure that it was not performed against Ireland.

In the run-up to the first All Blacks Test of the 2006 Tri Nations at Jade Stadium in Christchurch against Australia, the NZRU completed their review, and concluded that the gesture had a radically different meaning within Māori culture and haka traditions, indicating the drawing of "hauora", the breath of life into the heart and lungs. As a result, "Kapa o Pango" was performed, complete with the final gesture, before the Australia test.

Despite this, the controversial gesture was withdrawn in 2007, with a modified action (raking the right arm from the left hip to over the right shoulder) performed in the challenge when "Kapa o Pango" was performed in test matches against France and South Africa. During the 2008 Tri Nations series, the All Blacks appear to have reverted to the original action of drawing the hand across the throat.
Read the last sentence, after your bolded bit.
Read the first quote in our exchange (or, even better, the original post). You'll see I was making the point that the NZRU knew it could be a bit controversial. Additionally, you said it wasn't changed and it's "only been brought up now", so I posted proof to the contrary.
No, you've misunderstood me.

I'm well aware & remember the initial controversy, and change of the action.

I'm saying the change of action lasted several games, & the 'throat slit' action has been a part of the Haka again since 2008. That's 9 years of throat slitting where no one's mentioned, been upset, been offended or worried in anyway about it.

9 YEARS!
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"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then
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rugga. wrote:No, you've misunderstood me.

I'm well aware & remember the initial controversy, and change of the action.

I'm saying the change of action lasted several games, & the 'throat slit' action has been a part of the Haka again since 2008. That's 9 years of throat slitting where no one's mentioned, been upset, been offended or worried in anyway about it.

9 YEARS!
Tbf you guys don't do Kapa o Pango that often, and the Lions has an audience far beyond what rugby normally gets. And we don't usually have throat-cutting terrorist attacks either.

I totally understand the deal with the gesture and I'm not bothered by it at all, I just pointed out that the NZRU has in the past been sensitive to criticism over it.
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JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then

Well, clearly they're not...

but it's not a throat slitting gesture either.

So.. meh.
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Interesting thought - the Crusaders' starting 15 appears to have more players of Caucasian origin (likely British/Irish) than from Maori origin.
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guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then

Well, clearly they're not...

but it's not a throat slitting gesture either.

So.. meh.
To the casual observer it certainly looks like one.
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JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then
FFS Bro, this gesture is not threatening in any way!

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guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then
Well, clearly they're not...

but it's not a throat slitting gesture either.

So.. meh.
The terrorists are winning when something as innocuous as a Haka before a rugby game can trigger these reactions.

We should all maintain a measured and deliberate demenour and go about our business as if nothing has happened. Need something shorter and catchier, but that's the idea.
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JM2K6 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then

Well, clearly they're not...

but it's not a throat slitting gesture either.

So.. meh.
To the casual observer it certainly looks like one.
Excellent opportunity then, for the casual observer to learn something of another culture..

a proud culture with a proud history. A magnificent history, really. Illustrious.
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And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...
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JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.
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guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.
I appreciate your measured approach. Would that more keewees would adopt this rather than following AC's lead of rape and murder jokes :(
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JM2K6 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.
I appreciate your measured approach. Would that more keewees would adopt this rather than following AC's lead of rape and murder jokes :(
I'm pretty sure he's an Australian.
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guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.
I appreciate your measured approach. Would that more keewees would adopt this rather than following AC's lead of rape and murder jokes :(
I'm pretty sure he's an Australian.
Well yes, it's normal for NZ to just follow Australia's lead.
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JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.
I appreciate your measured approach. Would that more keewees would adopt this rather than following AC's lead of rape and murder jokes :(
I'm pretty sure he's an Australian.
Well yes, it's normal for NZ to just follow Australia's lead.
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Guy trying to defend the indefensible again....

"The people should read about the maori culture to understand that we do not mean to cut people throat" justification has been used time & time again.
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Per capita it actually represents a significant percentage of keewee communications with the civilised world.
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La soule wrote:Guy trying to defend the indefensible again....

"The people should read about the maori culture to understand that we do not mean to cut people throat" justification has been used time & time again.
Listen you Lefty terror supporting little freak, JM and I are talking. You may take a biscuit and play in the yard until we're ready for you to come inside.
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