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guy smiley wrote:
jambanja wrote:
blackblackblack wrote:Crusaders will Haka.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... lions-game

Maintain the rage.
I see they've said no throat slitting though, surely that is disrespecting someone, can't think who though, maybe the Maoris because they've had to change their culture to pander to the visitors

It's a f**king beat up centred on one person employed as a journalist who has mistaken his opinion for something of worth...

and you Jambanja have taken the role of lead beater. Well done, you.
Actually just to be clear who's the lead beater here, this is my 10th post on this thread whereas you've managed to keep the whole thing under wraps by posting 25 times on the subject, way to go Bro :roll:
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A Christchurch man was stabbed repeatedly in the London attacks and as a fellow Cantabrian the first thing I did when I saw the Blues haka was become deeply offended on his behalf.
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UncleFB wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Ah, peace until after the tour. Not sure if a bigot or a troll but no time for either
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You'll note the repressed guilt in this post.

It's less than a decade ago that the Maori tried to take back the intellectual property for kamate back. Whitey said "no it's ours now suck it". It's a very sad situation, a facia to cover the continued control. We do the dance so therefore we keep your shit, blame the Brits, we teach our kids to count to ten in your language and we dance like bellend don't ask for anything else. The true face of the European colonialists that run NZ is not pretty.

The cheek to call me a bigot!
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Turning a deaf ear to those who offer a differing perspective? Is that me? Or him and his ignore button?

My narritive is by no means suggesting segregation or disrespect. It's suggesting tolerance and respect over appropriation and certainly isn't closing down the view of the minority.
Could you properly learn what you're talking about. "The Maori" didn't try to take back the intellectual property for Ka Mate, Ngati Toa, the tribe where that haka originated worked out a deal with NZR for it's use. Other sports codes then did the same. They did apply for intellectually property rights earlier, but it was found that Ka Mate was in too widespread use - which flies a bit in the face of your earlier trolling TBF.
Are you trying to spin seeking IP rights in to not wanting to take control?

What you've said there is:

Haha they didn't try to take back control and get told no haha blah blah, they tried to take back control and were told no. Haha that is completely different.
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Dark wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Dark wrote: No it isn't

It's shit management by the Blues

The equivalent of the ABs touring the UK and having the England team doing a Morris dancing move that is remarkably similar to them being buried alive the day after Pike River

While all the English fans say all the kiwis who are slightly off put should have known they were simply showing the power of Herne the Hunter and try to learn some UK culture

Bloody stupid justification for shit organisation
Good god... get off the internet :lol:
I'm guessing you either don't know there were people that actually had their throats slashed on the bridge or you are a slightly backward, insular individual when it comes to differentiating good and bad taste
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jambanja wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
jambanja wrote:
blackblackblack wrote:Crusaders will Haka.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... lions-game

Maintain the rage.
I see they've said no throat slitting though, surely that is disrespecting someone, can't think who though, maybe the Maoris because they've had to change their culture to pander to the visitors

It's a f**king beat up centred on one person employed as a journalist who has mistaken his opinion for something of worth...

and you Jambanja have taken the role of lead beater. Well done, you.
Actually just to be clear who's the lead beater here, this is my 10th post on this thread whereas you've managed to keep the whole thing under wraps by posting 25 times on the subject, way to go Bro :roll:
You counted? :lol: :lol:

Tip for you old son...

who started the thread?
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guy smiley wrote:
jambanja wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
jambanja wrote:
blackblackblack wrote:Crusaders will Haka.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... lions-game

Maintain the rage.
I see they've said no throat slitting though, surely that is disrespecting someone, can't think who though, maybe the Maoris because they've had to change their culture to pander to the visitors

It's a f**king beat up centred on one person employed as a journalist who has mistaken his opinion for something of worth...

and you Jambanja have taken the role of lead beater. Well done, you.
Actually just to be clear who's the lead beater here, this is my 10th post on this thread whereas you've managed to keep the whole thing under wraps by posting 25 times on the subject, way to go Bro :roll:
You counted? :lol: :lol:

Tip for you old son...

who started the thread?
Interesting topic, well you seem to think so
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Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
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theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
Ummm...
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theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
I very much like and respect Maori culture, NZ culture doesn't exist. Beyond attempting to wipe out Maori culture before claiming it as their own inspite of protest.

What you claim the English did to the Welsh, the Euro-NZer absolutely nailed in doing to the Maori. With added rape and displacement. And now your pretending you didn't and it's all good 'cos you do the silly dance.

Solidarity our Maori brothers! We know your pain! Well we didn't get raped, or lose land or rights. Actually, we can't relate to what the bastards did to you, you poor sods. It also happens comparatively recently to what happened here. You must still be mad.
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dr dre2 wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Ah, peace until after the tour. Not sure if a bigot or a troll but no time for either
This post was made by dr dre2 who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
You'll note the repressed guilt in this post.

It's less than a decade ago that the Maori tried to take back the intellectual property for kamate back. Whitey said "no it's ours now suck it". It's a very sad situation, a facia to cover the continued control. We do the dance so therefore we keep your shit, blame the Brits, we teach our kids to count to ten in your language and we dance like bellend don't ask for anything else. The true face of the European colonialists that run NZ is not pretty.

The cheek to call me a bigot!
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Turning a deaf ear to those who offer a differing perspective? Is that me? Or him and his ignore button?

My narritive is by no means suggesting segregation or disrespect. It's suggesting tolerance and respect over appropriation and certainly isn't closing down the view of the minority.
Could you properly learn what you're talking about. "The Maori" didn't try to take back the intellectual property for Ka Mate, Ngati Toa, the tribe where that haka originated worked out a deal with NZR for it's use. Other sports codes then did the same. They did apply for intellectually property rights earlier, but it was found that Ka Mate was in too widespread use - which flies a bit in the face of your earlier trolling TBF.
Are you trying to spin seeking IP rights in to not wanting to take control?

What you've said there is:

Haha they didn't try to take back control and get told no haha blah blah, they tried to take back control and were told no. Haha that is completely different.
Re-read it again. You need some basic instruction on what you're talking about. 'Maori' didn't claim intellectual property rights over Ka Mate. The iwi (tribe) where it originated from did, they are not 'The Maori', they are merely a group of Maori. They were denied the intellectual property rights because Ka Mate was so widespread throughout NZ and for such a long time. Ngati Toa have then made specific agreements with sporting bodies for it's usage, and in fact one of the key reasons behind them wanting to claim ownership rights was due to it's commercial use in Europe. As a Maori, I have no claim to 'Ka Mate' because I'm not Ngati Toa. I do have a claim to a common haka in the middle of the North Island of NZ called Tika Tonu because one of my ancestors composed it but it's been in common use for many years now so the same would likely apply as with Ka Mate, I have no issue with that.
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Nui. wrote:
jolindien wrote:
jambanja wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Before anyone gets their knickers further into a twist, the gesture is known as Hauroa, and signifies drwaing the the first breath of life because that could be the last heading into battle.

... so, yeah, it's pretty much the opposite of slitting throats.

We've had this some discussion when Kapa o Pango was first introduced.
While you and most/all other Kiwis know that, the millions around the world watching don't and can hardly be expected to, I think that is the point
Yeah just like we french took the bottle throwing on the field the wrong way.
Should they had explained it was an ancestory tradition coming from the lone and lost explorers who discovered NZ and had no way back to their home land so they just sent bottles to the sea with messages to the beloved ones, mothers, wives and kids, to tell them one last time they loved them so much...
In the end, the kids where just throwing desperate bottles of love at us french.

I think you'll find those (well read) Otago Uni students were simply showing your froggie tupuna due respect, rather than our own.
Perhaps you should respect our respect of your lack of respect?
Chur doi.
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May 18 – During the Olympic rugby union final between France and the United States at Colombes Stadium, French fans booed and hissed the American team for the remainder of the game after star player Adolphe Jauréguy was flattened by a hard tackle two minutes after the opening whistle, leaving him unconscious with blood pouring down his face and having to be carried off the field on a stretcher. In the second half, French fans threw bottles and rocks onto the field and at American players and officials, wild brawls broke out in the stands, U.S. reserve Gideon Nelson was knocked unconscious after being hit in the face by a walking stick, and French fans invaded the pitch at the final whistle, leaving the French team, aided by the police, to protect the Americans. At the medal ceremony, The Star Spangled Banner was drowned out by the booing and hissing of French fans, and the American team had to be escorted to their locker room under police protection.
but f**king hell, it's them who started the whole crap back in the 1780ish !
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Dark wrote:
No it isn't

It's shit management by the Blues

The equivalent of the ABs touring the UK and having the England team doing a Morris dancing move that is remarkably similar to them being buried alive the day after Pike River

While all the English fans say all the kiwis who are slightly off put should have known they were simply showing the power of Herne the Hunter and try to learn some UK culture

Bloody stupid justification for shit organisation
I knew a guy, owned a Mitsubishi Chariot. He came to visit me once and ran over my cat. Later that year I went to Twickenham and had to listen to 80k plum singing swing low sweet chariot. Outraged I was. OUT.RAGED.
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Look your guilt and delusion makes no sense outside of your regretful self justification bubble. They were the Maori with a claim, they wanted it back, semantics. They were told no. How does this change what I said?


What the Euro-NZer has done in NZ is worse than what went on in SA. They did a much more complete job of erradication. Then tried to comb over it by teaching everyone the dance, encouraging everyone to claim 1/36 Maori heritage and invited as many other PIs in as they could hoping nobody would notice the difference. It's disgusting and your delusional. We didn't notice you did it you horrible bastards because we only tour every 12 years and were distracted by Africa.

Much much worse than Australia.

Oh, oh, we're all one nation. Too decking right you are you genetically absorbed everyone else forcibly you sick bastards.
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He's a matter of posts away from a banning, surely.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:He's a matter of posts away from a banning, surely.
Oh, give over.

The preciousness you guys have about a leg slapping, throat slitting, tongue waving dance is quite something.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:He's a matter of posts away from a banning, surely.
So it's ok when it's said about Wales? Or South Africa? In context.

Is any of it false? Which bits? I hear no denial?
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theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
You're an embrassment of a poster. And your bigotry of Welsh culture is truly noted.
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Dai another day wrote:
theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
You're an embrassment of a poster. And your bigotry of Welsh culture is truly noted.
It's nu-bigotry so it's ok, if it's against whitey or an anti libtard point of view it's fine. It's also just fine to blame the British for the exact same things I'm saying. Awful bastards, carrying out genocide and then blaming the British.
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Not all Kiwi can afford the Haka Channel so it behooves the NZRU to ensure that everyone has access to one when required...
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Jays Myth wrote:
Dark wrote:
No it isn't

It's shit management by the Blues

The equivalent of the ABs touring the UK and having the England team doing a Morris dancing move that is remarkably similar to them being buried alive the day after Pike River

While all the English fans say all the kiwis who are slightly off put should have known they were simply showing the power of Herne the Hunter and try to learn some UK culture

Bloody stupid justification for shit organisation
I knew a guy, owned a Mitsubishi Chariot. He came to visit me once and ran over my cat. Later that year I went to Twickenham and had to listen to 80k plum singing swing low sweet chariot. Outraged I was. OUT.RAGED.
How extremely humorous and clever. I bow to such wit

Congratulations

You are awesome
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Is it wrong for me to get perverse pleasure in someone going full loon? They think they're being witty and trolling but they don't realise they're long past that point and the lunacy has set in.

Anyway, I'm all for these haka now, it pisses of the UK scribes, it pisses of the fools on this thread - haka boogie away I say!
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The haka peaked in the 90s.

The ones before that were pretty crap (70s version looks like the hokey cokey) but the ones nowadays are beyond parody with the facial expressions, tounge sticking out and the OTT posturing.

Fitzy/Buck Shelford era haka were the perfect balance imo. They were hard men and they laid out the challenge without coming across like obnoxious douchebags.
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UncleFB wrote:Is it wrong for me to get perverse pleasure in someone going full loon? They think they're being witty and trolling but they don't realise they're long past that point and the lunacy has set in.

Anyway, I'm all for these haka now, it pisses of the UK scribes, it pisses of the fools on this thread - haka boogie away I say!
Oceanbreeze syndrome?
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Dai another day wrote:
theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
You're an embrassment of a poster. And your bigotry of Welsh culture is truly noted.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Its our house. If we want to haka we will. And if we are INVITED to do it overseas, we will.

Accept the challenge and beat us on the field and you will earn our grudging respect.

Also, the Auckland haka was performed as a mark of respect to two recently departed Blues players, Kurtis and Jonah........didn't see any mention of that.

The Muslims of Brtain are going to be seething when they see the Crusaders horsemen prancing around. I'm sure some journalist will write screeds about the disrespect shown......
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obelixtim wrote: Accept the challenge and beat us on the field and you will earn our grudging respect.
Get over yourself FFS, you are a poster on a message board not an All Black.
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Dai another day wrote:
theaxe wrote:Still it seems the douchey Welsh posters are drawn to Haka threads to flies to a freshly laid turd, especially Dre, DAC would be here if he could...Where's that moron Dai?
Since they lost their own culture to the English they don't like to see anyone else's culture to be celebrated, sad...
You're an embrassment of a poster. And your bigotry of Welsh culture is truly noted.
I lived in Wales for a short time and I like the Welsh, which is why I know that you Dre and DAC are poor examples of the Welsh and I feel the need to draw attention to it, especially in your case Dai. To have you call me an embarrassment is great, I'd hate for you to like me...
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Smee wrote:
obelixtim wrote: Accept the challenge and beat us on the field and you will earn our grudging respect.
Get over yourself FFS, you are a poster on a message board not an All Black.
I guess fans are not supposed to have respect for the opposition.

After the industrial level whingeing in 2005 from SCW and his cohorts, the NZ rugby public lost all respect for the Lions. It won't take much whining about a haka to cement that negative feeling.

Winning the tests might win some credibility back for the Lions.

The 1971 Lions are still remembered with respect by Kiwi fans.....and a lot of that came from beating the ABs and playing outstanding rugby.

Some hack whining about a haka, backed up by morons on the wind up is very unedifying. Its very stale, and very bloody boring.

A bit like the style the Lions have shown so far.
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Lots of hypocrisy in New Zealand about "open and inclusive"

All Blacks - open and inclusive
Prisons - open and inclusive
NZX Chairmen and CEO's - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealands top 50 richest individuals - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealand Cabinet - not open and inclusive - 1 non white
Non-white New Zealanders lag whites in nearly every economic and social measure .

Same as the Uk and the USA and France. It's just that NZers on this board would have you believe it's not only the best at rugby but also the best at being all equal ... Bro.
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JamesJames wrote:Lots of hypocrisy in New Zealand about "open and inclusive"

All Blacks - open and inclusive
Prisons - open and inclusive
NZX Chairmen and CEO's - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealands top 50 richest individuals - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealand Cabinet - not open and inclusive - 1 non white
Non-white New Zealanders lag whites in nearly every economic and social measure .

Same as the Uk and the USA and France. It's just that NZers on this board would have you believe it's not only the best at rugby but also the best at being all equal ... Bro.
Take it to the spite thread, dickhead.

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obelixtim wrote: Also, the Auckland haka was performed as a mark of respect to two recently departed Blues players, Kurtis and Jonah........didn't see any mention of that.
Without wanting to be too pedantic, Jonah died 1 and a half years ago and never played the Lions so I dunno why it's particularly appropriate to do a haka for him against them now.
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We're what, only 1 or 2 weeks into this tour?

:lol:
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Slim 293 wrote:We're what, only 1 or 2 weeks into this tour?

:lol:
It's amazing.

It was the same in 2005. But the Lions actually won a few games against NPC teams so they cocky as all fudge. After the second test they were shredding each other to pieces while the Irish kept yammering on about how BOD could have died.

I love a Lions series.
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JamesJames wrote:Lots of hypocrisy in New Zealand about "open and inclusive"

All Blacks - open and inclusive
Prisons - open and inclusive
NZX Chairmen and CEO's - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealands top 50 richest individuals - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealand Cabinet - not open and inclusive - 1 non white
Non-white New Zealanders lag whites in nearly every economic and social measure .

Same as the Uk and the USA and France. It's just that NZers on this board would have you believe it's not only the best at rugby but also the best at being all equal ... Bro.
We are all equal - we are all New Zealanders and we all love our culture.
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Shrekles wrote:
JamesJames wrote:Lots of hypocrisy in New Zealand about "open and inclusive"

All Blacks - open and inclusive
Prisons - open and inclusive
NZX Chairmen and CEO's - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealands top 50 richest individuals - not open and inclusive - all white
New Zealand Cabinet - not open and inclusive - 1 non white
Non-white New Zealanders lag whites in nearly every economic and social measure .

Same as the Uk and the USA and France. It's just that NZers on this board would have you believe it's not only the best at rugby but also the best at being all equal ... Bro.
We are all equal - we are all New Zealanders and we all love our culture.
We're also secure in our self identity which means we don't feel the need to say our names twice in case someone ignores us. (three times seems to do the trick)
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Strange what people read into things. I don't think anyone has claimed our society is anywhere near perfect. But the fact that it's not seems to be grounds to condemn so areas were we've made progress.
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Haka threads are great for bringing out the worst of PR's posters. From both sides.

Truly appalling.

Keep it up though, fascinating entertainment in a car-crash kind of way.
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SilverGrin wrote:Haka threads are great for bringing out the worst of PR's posters. From both sides.

Truly appalling.

Keep it up though, fascinating entertainment in a car-crash kind of way.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
obelixtim wrote: Also, the Auckland haka was performed as a mark of respect to two recently departed Blues players, Kurtis and Jonah........didn't see any mention of that.
Without wanting to be too pedantic, Jonah died 1 and a half years ago and never played the Lions so I dunno why it's particularly appropriate to do a haka for him against them now.
More about him being a blues player.....and they don't normally do a haka, so on this occasion when they did do one they were paying respect to him. A special one off game. Jonah did play in the BI, as well as NZ, so I guess that was the connection. Kurtis didn't play the Lions either, his death was recent, but if he'd lived, he prolly would have been in the team to face the Lions.
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Re: Haka in trouble again

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Maori weaponry tended to be clubs. Sharp implements tended to be stone, which is labour intensive to keep sharp and would be rare in places with poor stone quality. Therefore an important trade item and highly proud possession. Consequently used for more important things like carving and woodwork. Mussel shell used to harvest harakeke.

So. Throat slitting?
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