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Kid A wrote:Spot on by Mark Orders

It is the opposition's right to have a go, just as it is the home team's right to lay down the final challenge. So when they play overseas the All Blacks haka should precede the home team's anthem. But oh no, we're not coming out of the sheds if you do that. We're going to throw a hissy fit.

Yet strangely since that day no one has asked the ABs to do their haka before the anthem - as is their right I wonder why that is?

Jays Myth wrote:

Kid A wrote:Spot on by Mark Orders

It is the opposition's right to have a go, just as it is the home team's right to lay down the final challenge. So when they play overseas the All Blacks haka should precede the home team's anthem. But oh no, we're not coming out of the sheds if you do that. We're going to throw a hissy fit.

Yet strangely since that day no one has asked the ABs to do their haka before the anthem - as is their right I wonder why that is?

Because they don't want to have to deal with the massive public hissy fit and associated damage to the game's image?

Just a warning to the sensitive lot. The Crusaders will have several horseman riding around the ground swinging large swords in the lead up to the arrival of the teams.

Because of recent events this me be seen as threatening and disrespectful.

Just be aware, parental guidence perhaps.

I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

guy smiley wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:And a good opportunity for Keewees to show some empathy and understanding and not immediately line up to sneer at the casual observers...

I think you'll find we're sneering at the trolls.

Casual observers are welcomed into the country.

I'll repeat something I said on this yesterday... England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack. Yet here we are, fending off mass hysteria over a symbol. Perhaps there's an element of confected outrage at play... and I shudder to be the one suggesting this could even be a remote possibility here, in this place, these hallowed halls but say it I must.

I never even made any connection and I bet you 99% of people in England couldn't give a toss. They know the haka is what it is and that you'd have to be some kind of professional cryer to even try and be upset by emotionally linking what happened in London and gestures in the haka.

Mind you JKM might be trolling.

JM2K6 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:

Kid A wrote:Spot on by Mark Orders

It is the opposition's right to have a go, just as it is the home team's right to lay down the final challenge. So when they play overseas the All Blacks haka should precede the home team's anthem. But oh no, we're not coming out of the sheds if you do that. We're going to throw a hissy fit.

Yet strangely since that day no one has asked the ABs to do their haka before the anthem - as is their right I wonder why that is?

Because they don't want to have to deal with the massive public hissy fit and associated damage to the game's image?

We did the haka before the anthem the previous year in Wales. It was the Welshing the following year that led to the All Blacks dignified decision to quietly perform the haka for themselves. Perhaps they should have physically removed the Sky cameramen from the changing sheds.

True Blue wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Dark wrote:The fact of the matter is the UK reporter dude has a point

Lions rugby maybe the only rugby some people in the UK may be watching. Viewers overseas shouldn't be expected to have to do in-depth NZ cultural research to understand the meaning of Haka by our shittest team in Super rugby, to know it isn't throat slitting straight after the London Bridge tragedy.

Personally think the Blues management dropped the ball

Cheers Bro, although I don't see that going down very well with your fellow Kiwis.

We're not all one person you know. I already posted the same sentiments.

You're one of the good ones, TB.

rugga. wrote:Just a warning to the sensitive lot. The Crusaders will have several horseman riding around the ground swinging large swords in the lead up to the arrival of the teams.

Because of recent events this me be seen as threatening and disrespectful.

Just be aware, parental guidence perhaps.

Well it is the Crusaders, they named themselves after the original Jihadi. Culturally sensitive our cantab brethren.

rugga. wrote:Just a warning to the sensitive lot. The Crusaders will have several horseman riding around the ground swinging large swords in the lead up to the arrival of the teams.

Because of recent events this me be seen as threatening and disrespectful.

Just be aware, parental guidence perhaps.

Ah no, that's OK - given the religious iconography and strong anti-Muslim message that crusader knights display, all viewers will clearly view it as just a keewee nod to UKIP

England was united in it's stoic refusal to be cowed by the recent attack

Thing is, this was London, so not many Brits actually died (I assume you meant Britain when you said ‘England’) and whilst I don’t have figures of the nationalities of those who were wounded, it’s a fair assumption to say that there were more foreign nationals involved - apart from the emergency services – in the attack than Brits, not surprising at all – have you seen the prices? only tourists and Merchant Bankers can afford to drink in the City on a regular basis.

So fair enough, stiff upper lip for Brits, but not all nationalities roll like that (and really we Brits don’t either, it’s a myth) so don’t be surprised if other media pick up on this – assuming that they can give a toss about a niche sport being played on the other side of the world. Now if the Haka was done prior to an international Association Football match I bet there would be a right shit storm from certain European countries.

Just for the record.

Ignacio Echeverria – Spanish
Xavier Thomas – French
Sebastien Belanger – French
Sara Zelenak – Australian
Kirsty Boden – Australian
Chrissy Archibald – Canadian
Jamie McMullan – Brit
Alexandre Pigeard - French

These were real people, not just headlines.

Er, Borough Market and the surrounding pubs are hugely popular with all of us who work nearby, regardless of nationality. It's not just City boys, not by a long shot.

Well it is the Crusaders, they named themselves after the original Jihadi. Culturally sensitive our cantab brethren

A point of order.

The Crusades were RE-conquering the Holy Land. The Christian/Muslim thing goes back to Reconquista where the Spanish booted the Moors and Saracens back out of Iberia. It started with the Battle of Covandongo (722) and ended in 1492. The Crusades were just an extension of the Europeans pushing back against militant Islam.


The crusaders were a bunch of greedy murdering thugs but they didn't start it, they just went a bit large.

Change our culture to suite your sensibilities? Yessuh, Massa suh.

True Blue wrote:I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

It shouldn't f**king matter it's a silly dance not some magic ritual that can't be f**ked with. If it's akin to an anthem then do it when your told. If it's something akin to a special ritual of significance then don't do it at a commercial event.

guy smiley wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:"Hey uh some people are a little bit upset that after an atrocity where Brits' throats were cut in public by terrorists in one of the most well known places on the planet that you guys did a haka which had a throat slitting gesture"

"British and Irish people are rapists and murderers"

OK Then

Well, clearly they're not...

but it's not a throat slitting gesture either.

So.. meh.

To the casual observer it certainly looks like one.

Excellent opportunity then, for the casual observer to learn something of another culture..

a proud culture with a proud history. A magnificent history, really. Illustrious.

Apart from the slavery, cannibalism, infanticide, violence, etc.

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

It shouldn't f**k matter it's a silly dance not some magic ritual that can't be f**k with. If it's akin to an anthem then do it when your told. If it's something akin to a special ritual of significance then don't do it at a commercial event.

The only reason you lot perform an anthem before a rugby game is because of the haka.

guy smiley wrote:

La soule wrote:Guy trying to defend the indefensible again....

"The people should read about the maori culture to understand that we do not mean to cut people throat" justification has been used time & time again.

Listen you Lefty terror supporting little freak, JM and I are talking. You may take a biscuit and play in the yard until we're ready for you to come inside.

Are you going to slit my throat if I disagree with you
Seems like an important cultural trait in your neck of the woods.

guy smiley wrote:

Calculus wrote: Apart from the slavery, cannibalism, infanticide, violence, etc.

Your pot is black, you wheedling malcontent.

I really don't think we Maori had paedophilia before colonisation.

Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

guy smiley wrote:

La soule wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

La soule wrote:Guy trying to defend the indefensible again....

"The people should read about the maori culture to understand that we do not mean to cut people throat" justification has been used time & time again.

Listen you Lefty terror supporting little freak, JM and I are talking. You may take a biscuit and play in the yard until we're ready for you to come inside.

Are you going to slit my throat if I disagree with you
Seems like an important cultural trait in your neck of the woods.

I laugh at you. Like a man I laugh, big and loud with the might of the mountains behind me and the great expanse of the sea before me. See me laugh. At you.

But your montains are small, another national trait from what I understand.

naki wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

It shouldn't f**k matter it's a silly dance not some magic ritual that can't be f**k with. If it's akin to an anthem then do it when your told. If it's something akin to a special ritual of significance then don't do it at a commercial event.

The only reason you lot perform an anthem before a rugby game is because of the haka.

Does that make it special and magical?

Er, Borough Market and the surrounding pubs are hugely popular with all of us who work nearby, regardless of nationality. It's not just City boys, not by a long shot.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

So why the disproportionate numbers of fatalities being non British? - there must be a reason.

dr dre2 wrote:

naki wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

It shouldn't f**k matter it's a silly dance not some magic ritual that can't be f**k with. If it's akin to an anthem then do it when your told. If it's something akin to a special ritual of significance then don't do it at a commercial event.

The only reason you lot perform an anthem before a rugby game is because of the haka.

Does that make it special and magical?

Try it some time, feel the magic.

TrailApe wrote:

Er, Borough Market and the surrounding pubs are hugely popular with all of us who work nearby, regardless of nationality. It's not just City boys, not by a long shot.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

So why the disproportionate numbers of fatalities being non British? - there must be a reason.

Couple of reasons - the exact spot they attacked is really popular with tourists especially on weekends, and we have a lot of different nationalities living here too. Plenty of Brits in the pubs themselves at the time, that's for sure.

naki wrote:

Da iawn diolch wrote:Interesting thought - the Crusaders' starting 15 appears to have more players of Caucasian origin (likely British/Irish) than from Maori origin.

The following starters have both European and Maori heritage;

Moody
Taylor
Romano
Bedwell-Curtis
Hall
Dagg
Bateman

Havili has Tongan/European heritage
Mo'unga has Tongan/Samoan heritage
Taufua is Samoan
Tamanivalu is Fijian

Franks, Whitelock, Goodhue and Todd are the token white boys.

All part of our inclusive, multicultural society. All have grown up with kapa haka and tribal dances of all types and will no doubt bang out a sweet dance for you all to enjoy on Saturday.

Romano is part Maori? Must be one of the few Italian-Maoris in the world if true.

Jays Myth wrote:Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

You have no idea about our culture you ignorant fudge. If you did you'd know that we burn effigies of Catholics and you could have made a real feeling point.

Andalu wrote:

naki wrote:

Da iawn diolch wrote:Interesting thought - the Crusaders' starting 15 appears to have more players of Caucasian origin (likely British/Irish) than from Maori origin.

The following starters have both European and Maori heritage;

Moody
Taylor
Romano
Bedwell-Curtis
Hall
Dagg
Bateman

Havili has Tongan/European heritage
Mo'unga has Tongan/Samoan heritage
Taufua is Samoan
Tamanivalu is Fijian

Franks, Whitelock, Goodhue and Todd are the token white boys.

All part of our inclusive, multicultural society. All have grown up with kapa haka and tribal dances of all types and will no doubt bang out a sweet dance for you all to enjoy on Saturday.

Romano is part Maori? Must be one of the few Italian-Maoris in the world if true.

UncleFB told me he was, he's the resident expert.

Has anyone decided if Dan Carter is Maori yet? He's the most Maori looking non-Maori ever.

naki wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

naki wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

True Blue wrote:I think the Welsh haka thing was more due to the fact that they weren't informed and it was switched at the last second.

It shouldn't f**k matter it's a silly dance not some magic ritual that can't be f**k with. If it's akin to an anthem then do it when your told. If it's something akin to a special ritual of significance then don't do it at a commercial event.

The only reason you lot perform an anthem before a rugby game is because of the haka.

Does that make it special and magical?

Try it some time, feel the magic.

Don't be so silly you may brain wash your kids to do it from a very young age but we live outside that bubble and will not thigh slap and tongue poke as it looks silly.

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

You have no idea about our culture you ignorant f**k.

Oh

True Blue wrote:Has anyone decided if Dan Carter is Maori yet? He's the most Maori looking non-Maori ever.

Not Maori. Just an extreme tanning bed fan.

dr dre2 wrote:Don't be so silly you may brain wash your kids to do it from a very young age but we live outside that bubble and will not thigh slap and tongue poke as it looks silly.

So you live in a different country with a different culture. I think we knew that already.

Jays Myth wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

You have no idea about our culture you ignorant f**k.

Oh

Really! You decided to take that bit seriously? and edit out the bit that won you the argument? So precious are you about your own culture it made you blind to the try line. Burning Catholics for fudge sake, open goal. Never mind, do a special dance instead or something.

True Blue wrote:Has anyone decided if Dan Carter is Maori yet? He's the most Maori looking non-Maori ever.

I believe he is, but kept that fact hidden while still in NZ in case the Crusaders selectors found out.

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

You have no idea about our culture you ignorant f**k.

Oh

Really! You decided to take that bit seriously? and edit out the bit that won you the argument? So precious are you about your own culture it made you blind to the try line. Burning Catholics for f**k sake, open goal. Never mind, do a special dance instead or something.

Ka Boooom - what was that?

Jays Myth wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:

Jays Myth wrote:Would it be insensitive to celebrate guy fawkes day? Blowing stuff up and all that?

You have no idea about our culture you ignorant f**k.

Oh

Really! You decided to take that bit seriously? and edit out the bit that won you the argument? So precious are you about your own culture it made you blind to the try line. Burning Catholics for f**k sake, open goal. Never mind, do a special dance instead or something.

Ka Boooom - what was that?

A Catholic strapped to a rocket?

JM2K6 wrote:

TrailApe wrote:

Er, Borough Market and the surrounding pubs are hugely popular with all of us who work nearby, regardless of nationality. It's not just City boys, not by a long shot.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

So why the disproportionate numbers of fatalities being non British? - there must be a reason.

Couple of reasons - the exact spot they attacked is really popular with tourists especially on weekends, and we have a lot of different nationalities living here too. Plenty of Brits in the pubs themselves at the time, that's for sure.

Tourists tend to take photos on London Bridge particularly at night - it's one of the best views in London. If you crash into stationary pedestrians there's a fair chance you'll hit tourists.

Santa wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Calculus wrote: Apart from the slavery, cannibalism, infanticide, violence, etc.

Your pot is black, you wheedling malcontent.

I really don't think we Maori had paedophilia before colonisation.

Not sure I follow, would you like to explain that comment?

Santa wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Calculus wrote: Apart from the slavery, cannibalism, infanticide, violence, etc.

Your pot is black, you wheedling malcontent.

I really don't think we Maori had paedophilia before colonisation.

Santa of the Night must now immediately be banned.

Croft wrote:

Santa wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Calculus wrote: Apart from the slavery, cannibalism, infanticide, violence, etc.

Your pot is black, you wheedling malcontent.

I really don't think we Maori had paedophilia before colonisation.

Santa of the Night must now immediately be banned.

No no. I was saying who wasn't a bunch of peados not who was.

Anyway, Calculus... slavery... yuk yuk yuk...