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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
grubberkick wrote:Lions get the final word, it could have been oh so different if chances had been taken

30-15

FT

Kiwis flattered by score
70 odd percent possession in the 2nd half and their first proper hit out of the year. :lol:
That possession % is incredible.

The physicality of the AB forwards is something beautiful to behold
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Teenage_hooker wrote:
fatcat wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
fatcat wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
You must be very easily pleased.
What the fudge is wrong with you? Aside from the result going against you that was a cracking match. Lots of too-and-fro and the Lions were in it a long time.

The Lions fans in this thread turn rabid against their team quicker than we ever do.
Fair enough, but I thought it was boring and the Lions had no answer to a NZ who barely reached third gear. The series is over.
Just as a matter of interest because this comes up all the time...every time I watch a team play NZ and lose the whole NZ never got out of third gear thing comes up. When have they against a tier 1 opponent in the last 5 years? Serious question.
2015 world cup for starters.
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Rugby2023 wrote:Goldie Wilson pointing out SBW's influence was limited until Te'o went off.
That's utter shite.
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Silver wrote:Gatland has been shown up as a limited coach. If he wants to one day coach the ABs he can forget about it

One example. Why was Teo taken off. Farrell was playing like shit and Teo was playing well. yet they took Teo off. Why. wasn't anyone watching the game.
I assume given the Lions needed tries he wanted two playmakers at 10 and 12 to spread the ball more. JD2 was playing great so he wasn't gonna get pulled. Harsh on Teo but logical enough.
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Denirostaxidriver wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Tehui wrote:
ScarfaceClaw wrote:"New Zealand. A country that yearns for meaning and purpose."

Fuck off Sky commentators.
That's a shocker.
It's hilarious
NZ got some purpose.
Don't know why that was said. We have plenty of dolphins. Should be happy with that.
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Nabberuk wrote:Rory Best :lol:

We'll lose every lineout


Instead of every breakdown??
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BlackMac wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:Rory Best :lol:

We'll lose every lineout


Instead of every breakdown??
This
Rory must be up there with the most turnovers on tour
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Silver wrote:Gatland has been shown up as a limited coach. If he wants to one day coach the ABs he can forget about it

One example. Why was Teo taken off. Farrell was playing like shit and Teo was playing well. yet they took Teo off. Why. wasn't anyone watching the game.
Agreed. Teo was very good and even Farrell's kicking had imploded. If we don't have Teo next week it'll just be the Sonny Bill show and we'll cop 40.
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Lions forwards looked tired before the half time break. Tackling nearly twice as much as the opposition will do that.

Pretty pleased that the All Blacks dominated the Lions forwards.
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I didn't expect our pack to not turn up- they got rolled.
SOB had a good first 40 though.
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mr bungle wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:I'm just so disappointed in the pack.
They're elevated by their fans as better than they are. You played some partially weakened Super teams with green replacements.
No theyre not. they are given due credit for being very good. theyre probably a better set of forwards than everyone else in world rugby bar nz.
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i said it after the saders game. pick the irish or english front row to start and replace

edit: the english front row with Cole
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Great game!

Still think the Lions have a shot. A NH ref will make a difference
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harry 22 wrote:i said it after the saders game. pick the irish or english front row to start and replace
Wouldn't make a difference.
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Score flattered the Lions. Think we will win by 30 margin next week. Their forwards are so overhyped.
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Jesus Christ Sky. Trawling headlines from overseas websites for headlines on the ABs win. The Herald does this too. Are we really that needy? :blush:
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Teo did what he does well but hes so predictable. no variation in his play
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DragsterDriver wrote:I didn't expect our pack to not turn up- they got rolled.
SOB had a good first 40 though.
I don't think it's a case of not turning up. Just a case of turning up against an All Blacks pack rather than a super rugby pack.
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Fat Old Git wrote:I enjoyed that. My impressions, which may well differ from other, are as follows.

- Both teams played some lovely rugby.

- The ABs looked in control for most of the match.

- First Lions try was a thing of beauty.

- AB's dominant in the scrums

- Not so in the line outs which was a surprise. Some was great Lions work, some was just silly mistakes such as the bug overthrow. Although that could have been due to pressure getting to them form the Lions work.

- Injuries suck.

- Next week's game should be awesome and could be anyones.

:thumbup:



No chance. the All Black's are sitting in their dressing room going "is that it", and thinking what fun they will have over the next two weeks.
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My changes for next week

Starters

Itoje for AWJ

Bench

Lawes for Itoje (effectively replacing AWJ who looked a bit off the pace)
Tipuric for Warburton (similar to AWJ, the Breadman just isn't sharp enough)
Best for Owens (offers a different option and can add some extra work at the breakdown and scrum)
I'd also like to see someone a bit quicker than 1/2p as a bench option.
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Read not even sweating. I want his brand of EPO.
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ZW03 wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:I'm just so disappointed in the pack.
They're elevated by their fans as better than they are. You played some partially weakened Super teams with green replacements.
No theyre not. they are given due credit for being very good. theyre probably a better set of forwards than everyone else in world rugby bar nz.
They are very good. But the talk prior to kick off was that they were better than NZ.
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decado wrote:Jesus Christ Sky. Trawling headlines from overseas websites for headlines on the ABs win. The Herald does this too. Are we really that needy? :blush:
Yes.

The NZ media is always needy - not just when it comes to rugby either.

It's pathetic.
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ovalball wrote:My changes for next week

Starters

Itoje for AWJ

Bench

Lawes for Itoje (effectively replacing AWJ who looked a bit off the pace)
Tipuric for Warburton (similar to AWJ, the Breadman just isn't sharp enough)
Best for Owens (offers a different option and can add some extra work at the breakdown and scrum)
I'd also like to see someone a bit quicker than 1/2p as a bench option.
I'd agree with all of that. I'd be tempted to start with Itoje and Lawes, Kruis didn't turn up tonight. Oh to have a Grey brother to call up.
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slick wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
terryfinch wrote:We don't need to change much. Itoje for AWJ. Lawes to the bench. Tipuric for Warburton on the bench. ....
I totally agree
Yep, AWJ and Warburton are non entities.
There isn't many options anyway really.

I thought Kruis had a total shocker and Furlong was poor, apart from that don't see what else we can do really.

It's like playing 15 hybrids of backs/forwards, they all do everything really well, it's 3-0 without any doubt at all.
But two players (+ Farrell) out of 15 playing like shit against the ABs is too much. I wish Ford was available as an option.

Its the little things that can make a big difference. And leaving potentially the best FH out of the tour is an idiotic decision. Esp when they really needed 4 FH's in the squad. And Farrell is really an inside center not a FH.

So this shows how clueless these Lions selectors are. It was the same issue at scrum half. why wasn't one of the England options selected. Poor decisions like this make a big difference. and by these non selections Gatland shows how clueless he is

Thankfully i don't support the Lions as this stupidity would right piss me off
Will Greenwood believes George Ford is better than the three fly-halves on Lions tour

The 24-year-old was voted man of the series in England's two-Test victory against Argentina

Outgoing Bath Rugby fly-half George Ford is better than all three fly-halves on the British and Irish Lions tour, according to Will Greenwood.

The former Lions tourist is currently in New Zealand as an analyst and he believes the 24-year-old England fly-half should be in the country with him.

Ford’s England team-mate Owen Farrell is favourite to start the first Test, with Ireland’s Jonathan Sexton, Wales number ten Dan Biggar also in the touring squad.

However, Greenwood thinks Warren Gatland has missed a trick by not selecting Ford, who will join Leicester Tigers for the 2017/18 Premiership season.
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:lol:

this place.
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Hawk97 wrote:Read not even sweating. I want his brand of EPO.
Image

:thumbup:
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Marshall Banana wrote:
decado wrote:Jesus Christ Sky. Trawling headlines from overseas websites for headlines on the ABs win. The Herald does this too. Are we really that needy? :blush:
Yes.

The NZ media is always needy - not just when it comes to rugby either.

It's pathetic.
The media in general are cringe worthy, but I think ours are a special brand of embarassing.
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Marshall Banana wrote:
decado wrote:Jesus Christ Sky. Trawling headlines from overseas websites for headlines on the ABs win. The Herald does this too. Are we really that needy? :blush:
Yes.

The NZ media is always needy - not just when it comes to rugby either.

It's pathetic.
The alternative is employing journalists to write their own stories. Much easier and cheaper to just reprint everyone else's. Not that we are alone in that unfortunately.
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ovalball wrote:My changes for next week

Starters

Itoje for AWJ

Bench

Lawes for Itoje (effectively replacing AWJ who looked a bit off the pace)
Tipuric for Warburton (similar to AWJ, the Breadman just isn't sharp enough)
Best for Owens (offers a different option and can add some extra work at the breakdown and scrum)
I'd also like to see someone a bit quicker than 1/2p as a bench option.

Not sure about George to be honest. Good at the lineout by annonymous at the breakdown. Not sure we can carry that against New zealand
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The Native wrote:Lions forwards looked tired before the half time break. Tackling nearly twice as much as the opposition will do that.

Pretty pleased that the All Blacks dominated the Lions forwards.
Dead right. AWJ was knackered after 20 minutes. Terrible selection.
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All you can say about the first Lions test is:

"He could have doid"
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ZW03 wrote:Teo did what he does well but hes so predictable. no variation in his play
I think so too. It's like Jamie Roberts for Wales, good but stifles the option of creative play.
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Tim. wrote:
Silver wrote:Gatland has been shown up as a limited coach. If he wants to one day coach the ABs he can forget about it

One example. Why was Teo taken off. Farrell was playing like shit and Teo was playing well. yet they took Teo off. Why. wasn't anyone watching the game.
I assume given the Lions needed tries he wanted two playmakers at 10 and 12 to spread the ball more. JD2 was playing great so he wasn't gonna get pulled. Harsh on Teo but logical enough.
Farrell was playing like shit so they should have responded to player performance not a preset game plan

Good coaches do. Poor coaches stick with the preset plan
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Hareaway wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Beaver_Shark wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
Zico wrote:At the breakdown Peyper neutered the Lions in the first few minutes by applying one rule for NZ to compete at will while penalising the Lions in a fair contest. NZ didn't need the help but they got it.
Utter bullshit. You were dominated at the breakdown.
Indeed. Sam Cane destroyed them.
Genuinely no idea what the complaints are about the ref. Saw a few things he missed, but that's it. Big deal.
Bro do you even PR ?
I thought Peyper had a pretty good game but I didn't take too much notice of many AB infringements/errors as it's easier to catch the oppo's. I thought Dumbles was onto something when he said about the speed of the game being tricky to referee, I should think it's probably actually a real tactic.

Really enjoyable game and I wasn't at all confident until Ioane's 2nd? It was about an hour anyway. :thumbup:

PS: Apologies to JMK and anyone I pissed off on the other thread, I lost my rag a bit but in my defence we've had some bad juju family shit recently but I should have handled it better.

No hard feelings JM2k6.

I do want to point out about Lions players and fans not being treated very well that this series seems to be largely extremely friendly and the Lions fans over here are fanatical and seems to be having a splendid time.
Makes my heart swell to see a community in such good spirits. A community other organisations would do well to follow. :thumbup:
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So is Farrel a kicking choker then?
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Bar Tab wrote:So is Farrel a kicking choker then?
Not usually, no :?
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No complaints about the ref here.
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mr bungle wrote:
ZW03 wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:I'm just so disappointed in the pack.
They're elevated by their fans as better than they are. You played some partially weakened Super teams with green replacements.


No theyre not. they are given due credit for being very good. theyre probably a better set of forwards than everyone else in world rugby bar nz.
They are very good. But the talk prior to kick off was that they were better than NZ.
Nobody I was talking too or anything I saw suggested that. Then again if you are looking for any perceived slights against your team than they will stick in your mind most when you see them.
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Bar Tab wrote:So is Farrel a kicking choker then?
He usually kicks better under pressure. He misses a surprising amount of kicks for England and Saracens given his reputation. But when its 'on' he usually comes through. Not today though.
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