OFFICIAL All Blacks vs B&I Lions SECOND TEST MATCH THREAD

Grizz Wyllie · Post by **Grizz Wyllie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:56 am

WHEN:
Saturday 1st July

WHERE:
Wellington, New Zealand

KICKOFF:
Local time – 7.35pm
UK time – 8.35am
AEST - 5:35pm
SA time - 9:35am

VENUE:
Westpack Stadium, Wellington

TEAMS:

Head Coach: Steve Hansen
Captain: Kieran Read

15. Israel Dagg (63)
14. Waisake Naholo (12)
13. Anton Lienert-Brown (11)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (35)
11. Rieko Ioane (3)
10. Beauden Barrett (51)
9. Aaron Smith (60)

1. Joe Moody (26)
2. Codie Taylor (17)
3. Owen Franks (92)
4. Brodie Retallick (62)
5. Samuel Whitelock (86)
6. Jerome Kaino (79)
7. Sam Cane (42)
8. Kieran Read (98) – Captain

16. Nathan Harris (6)
17. Wyatt Crockett (60)
18. Charlie Faumuina (48)
19. Scott Barrett (6)
20. Ardie Savea (14)
21. TJ Perenara (31)
22. Aaron Cruden (48)
23. Ngani Laumape *

Head Coach: Warren Gatland
Captain: Sam Warburton

15. Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #833
14. Anthony Watson – Bath Rugby, England, #816
13. Jonathan Davies – Scarlets, Wales, #778
12. Owen Farrell – Saracens, England, #780
11. Elliot Daly – Wasps, England, #822
10. Johnny Sexton – Leinster, Ireland, #791
9. Conor Murray – Munster, Ireland, #790

1. Mako Vunipola – Saracens, England, #787
2. Jamie George – Saracens, England, #819
3. Tadhg Furlong – Leinster, Ireland, #818
4. Maro Itoje – Saracens, England, #825
5. Alun Wyn Jones – Ospreys, Wales, #761
6. Sam Warburton (capt) – Cardiff Blues, Wales, #800
7. Sean O’Brien – Leinster, Ireland, #796
8. Taulupe Faletau – Bath Rugby, Wales, #779

16. Ken Owens – Scarlets, Wales, #829
17. Jack McGrath – Leinster, Ireland, #827
18. Kyle Sinckler – Harlequins, England, #814
19. Courtney Lawes – Northampton Saints, England, #826
20. CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831
21. Rhys Webb – Ospreys, Wales, #820
22. Ben Te’o – Worcester Warriors, England, #815
23. Jack Nowell – Exeter Chiefs, England, #828

WEATHER

REFEREES:
Jerome Garces, France + Romain Poite (France) & Jaco Peyper (South Africa)

The Native · Post by **The Native** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:02 am

Judging from the British and Irish posters, papers and Gatland they're working themselves into a froth. Any hint of "foul play" from the All Blacks will be talked about for generations. Can't wait for the game.

guy smiley · Post by **guy smiley** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:09 am

The Native wrote:Judging from the British and Irish posters, papers and Gatland they're working themselves into a froth. Any hint of "foul play" from the All Blacks will be talked about for generations. Can't wait for the game.

A couple of penalties and a card for Faletau loitering off side would be good.

Comrade · Post by **Comrade** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:37 am

Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.

Hawk97 · Post by **Hawk97** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:39 am

Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.

Bet you got a little chubby writing that.

Grizz Wyllie · Post by **Grizz Wyllie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:53 am

Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.

If he'd played against Samoa I'd be in favour of that

Ogre · Post by **Ogre** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:32 pm

you bastard. was about to start a fred with sexy pictures and great one liners but ran into this poorly run pile of poooo (

) so I guess this is now the official fred.

fudge you Grizz. fudge you sideways

terryfinch · Post by **terryfinch** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:45 pm

Mako
George
Sinckler
Itoje
Lawes
Warburton
SOB
Faletau

Murray
Farrell
Daly
Teo
JD
Watson
Williams

Bench

McGrath
Owens
Furlong
Henderson
Tipuric
Webb
Sexton
Nowell

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:46 pm

Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.

We'll have substitutions to use this time round. And the AB coaches will take a look at his defensive work today.

earl the beaver · Post by **earl the beaver** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:51 pm

terryfinch wrote:Mako
George
Sinckler
Itoje
Lawes
Warburton
SOB
Faletau

Murray
Farrell
Daly
Teo
JD
Watson
Williams

Bench

McGrath
Owens
Furlong
Henderson
Tipuric
Webb
Sexton
Nowell

Furlong should and will start.

Henderson isn't going to feature.

AWJ will start to call the lineout

POM will be on the bench.

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:51 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.
We'll have substitutions to use this time round. And the AB coaches will take a look at his defensive work today.

Biggar turned him over like a $2 whore at the end today, they won't like that.

Ogre · Post by **Ogre** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:53 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.
We'll have substitutions to use this time round. And the AB coaches will take a look at his defensive work today.

Yep.
Ball in hand going forward he is unstoppable. . . The game requires more than this so no game for him

Last Line · Post by **Last Line** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:55 pm

AB's to click and it will get messy.

akann · Post by **akann** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:58 pm

Last Line wrote:AB's to click and it will get messy.

The wet conditions will make the game a lot slower and a lot closer.

theo · Post by **theo** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:00 pm

Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....

Mahoney · Post by **Mahoney** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:02 pm

theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....

Meanwhile, in Twickenham...

boris1237 · Post by **boris1237** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:02 pm

earl the beaver wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Mako
George
Sinckler
Itoje
Lawes
Warburton
SOB
Faletau

Murray
Farrell
Daly
Teo
JD
Watson
Williams

Bench

McGrath
Owens
Furlong
Henderson
Tipuric
Webb
Sexton
Nowell
Furlong should and will start.

Henderson isn't going to feature.

AWJ will start to call the lineout

POM will be on the bench.

Furlong was outscrummaged twice by Crockett ..if theres a change in the front row it will be him

and you want a backrow with no lineout option

brilliant

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:02 pm

Mahoney wrote:
theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....
Meanwhile, in Twickenham...

I hit Blackfriars bridge and the heavens opened

Last Line · Post by **Last Line** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:03 pm

akann wrote:
Last Line wrote:AB's to click and it will get messy.
The wet conditions will make the game a lot slower and a lot closer.

Ok, but the AB's skill levels are a different league. The forward pack are athletes.

I hope the Lions players can reach the dedication levels of their AB counterparts one day.

Morgan14 · Post by **Morgan14** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:26 pm

Test deux.

Ouch_I'M_Ill · Post by **Ouch_I'M_Ill** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:54 pm

Whens the ABs named?
Jordie barrett to start at 15, Alb for crotty, laumape to bench?

Grizz Wyllie · Post by **Grizz Wyllie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:56 pm

Was impressed with how Jordie cleared bodies at rucks for a kid whose frame is supposed to be too lean for test footy

Ouch_I'M_Ill · Post by **Ouch_I'M_Ill** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:00 pm

He had a very impressive game for the hurricanes. I think he is ready for a start

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:19 pm

Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:Whens the ABs named?
Jordie barrett to start at 15, Alb for crotty, laumape to bench?

Jordie showed last night that he is not ready for the next level yet

ScarfaceClaw · Post by **ScarfaceClaw** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:23 pm

Enzedder wrote:
Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:Whens the ABs named?
Jordie barrett to start at 15, Alb for crotty, laumape to bench?

Jordie showed last night that he is not ready for the next level yet

Jordie or the child sized Mackenzie. Hmmm. Think I'd probably drop Barrett back to fullback. Cruden to first five. The ALB thing is a no brainer.

tiddle · Post by **tiddle** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:29 pm

Pretty sure Lions will lose but come Friday night I'm certain they'll win.

Andalu · Post by **Andalu** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:29 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....
Meanwhile, in Twickenham...
I hit Blackfriars bridge and the heavens opened

What's the chances we don't get any more 25+ blue sky days this summer? Coming into July and it's high teens and raining. Meanwhile it's mid teens and sunny in Auckland tomorrow in wintertime. UK and Ireland definitely can't bitch about NZ weather.

ScarfaceClaw · Post by **ScarfaceClaw** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:30 pm

Andalu wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....
Meanwhile, in Twickenham... :(
I hit Blackfriars bridge and the heavens opened :lol: :x
What's the chances we don't get any more 25+ blue sky days this summer? Coming into July and it's high teens and raining. Meanwhile it's mid teens and sunny in Auckland in wintertime. UK and Ireland definitely can't bitch about NZ weather.

Summer is over. Longest day has been and gone. It's all down hill from here until that brief week in July next year where everyone pretends England is Med like in its climate.

Andalu · Post by **Andalu** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:32 pm

ScarfaceClaw wrote:
Andalu wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....
Meanwhile, in Twickenham...
I hit Blackfriars bridge and the heavens opened
What's the chances we don't get any more 25+ blue sky days this summer? Coming into July and it's high teens and raining. Meanwhile it's mid teens and sunny in Auckland in wintertime. UK and Ireland definitely can't bitch about NZ weather.
Summer is over. Longest day has been and gone. It's all down hill from here until that brief week in July next year where everyone pretends England is Med like in its climate.

The one weekend this year it was really hot and I'm not in the country...

HurricaneWasp · Post by **HurricaneWasp** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:01 pm

Enzedder wrote:
Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:Whens the ABs named?
Jordie barrett to start at 15, Alb for crotty, laumape to bench?

Jordie showed last night that he is not ready for the next level yet

What? Jordie was outstanding last night. Canes' best player after Laumape.

Sonny Blount · Post by **Sonny Blount** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:14 pm

Enzedder wrote:
Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:Whens the ABs named?
Jordie barrett to start at 15, Alb for crotty, laumape to bench?

Jordie showed last night that he is not ready for the next level yet

Jordie showed that DMac should take the French money last night.

Taranaki Snapper · Post by **Taranaki Snapper** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:16 pm

theo wrote:Does it ever stop raining in New Zealand....

I've been here 10 days and endured 2 days of rain in Whakatane and patches here and there while Tiki-touring around the North Island...

I had 3 tickets confirmed when I arrived: I've seen the Chiefs lose, the ABs win and the Canes draw; I've been accommodated by Enzedder and Ted and as of last night, I think I've scored a ticket for the 2nd Test!

Sonny Blount · Post by **Sonny Blount** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:18 pm

Comrade wrote:Laumape in #23, ready to destroy the Lions again in the final 20.

um no.

We look for a bit more than Jamie Roberts clones in an All Blacks 12.

He will have to become more evasive, distribute and offload a lot better, and dominate on defence.

Look to November before we see more than is forced by injuries.

[edit] as a 23 perhaps you have an interesting option, but - even though you didn't mention it - I think he is some way from a starting 12. And bench players do need to be able to play as a starter in their covering positions in case of early injuries

Grizz Wyllie · Post by **Grizz Wyllie** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:43 pm

I'd take Jordie over Dmac in the 23 jersey based on both's efforts against the Lions in recent weeks.

It was interesting that Jordie spent significant minutes at first-five last night. He's not played 10 before, despite what people assume. I wonder if he was thrust into that role last night because needs must with the Canes having no other options below Otere or that Hansen asked Boyd to give Jordie minutes as a playmaker.

Anyway, he shined. And I reckon he could be the super sub that Beaudie was come the new RWC.

Margin_Walker · Post by **Margin_Walker** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Always amazed by how bloody tall Jordie is when I see him play. Had a good game this morning

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Good Luck Lions.

Sprig · Post by **Sprig** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:52 pm

when did Todd get the cover call up?

UncleFB · Post by **UncleFB** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:40 pm

Grizz Wyllie wrote:I'd take Jordie over Dmac in the 23 jersey based on both's efforts against the Lions in recent weeks.

It was interesting that Jordie spent significant minutes at first-five last night. He's not played 10 before, despite what people assume. I wonder if he was thrust into that role last night because needs must with the Canes having no other options below Otere or that Hansen asked Boyd to give Jordie minutes as a playmaker.

Anyway, he shined. And I reckon he could be the super sub that Beaudie was come the new RWC.

The fact is you can't really compare them on those games. One game had a pack that wasn't competing and a flawed game plan, while the other had a competitive pack with a better game plan (stupid attempts at lineout maul aside).

Jordie had a good game but despite his size his defence is worse than D Mac's, his efforts in the lead up to the Lions first try last night were abysmal. Fans of Jordie claim he has a better test game because of a lower error rate than D Mac, but that's only if you exclude defence (and D Mac has a lot more ball in his hand for the Chiefs then J Barrett does with the Canes to make those errors).

Anyway, it's pretty good that we have both of them coming through even through to compliment Rieko as the young talent in the team.

comets · Post by **comets** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:54 pm

wing options, Was Julian good last night ? did not see the game, if so, will we see the Savea/Ioane wing pairing? (smith getting a rest, dagg at 15 OR a Naholo/Savea wing pairing with Smith at 15, dagg getting a rest?

ElementFreak · Post by **ElementFreak** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:56 pm

Hopefully Greig Laidlaw won't be anywhere near this side. Stolen from reddit, but this sums up his tour so far.