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Surely that needs to be changed. What a farce :lol:

It would be worth deliberately doing it to milk a penalty.
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Grow up. If you want to look for a reason for the defeat, look at the red card and the terrible place kicking.
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:lol: What the fudge? He jumped up to catch a pass, not into the tackle. Some of you plum are absolutely cooked. Penalty all day every day. There's no advantage at all to throwing a shit pass.
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Clear penalty. Surprised garces gave fauminina an audience. Should have marched him 10 to be fair
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Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
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Imagine being so stupid to tackle a player in the air :lol: :lol: :lol:

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J Man wrote:Surely that needs to be changed. What a farce :lol:

It would be worth deliberately doing it to milk a penalty.
Always feel sorry for the tackler when that happens. I did jump for joy though 8)
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J Man wrote:Surely that needs to be changed. What a farce :lol:

It would be worth deliberately doing it to milk a penalty.
You mean how every player from childhood is taught to jump to catch kicks to buy themselves time? It's a basic of the sport ffs.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
You can't contrive that sort of thing.
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Dumbledore wrote: There's no advantage at all to throwing a shit pass.
Did you not see tonight's test? They won the game from it.
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It is a clear penalty under current rules, but does that mean you can jump to avoid being allowed to be tackled? Surely that is an anomaly of the laws that needs correcting.
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Can't blame big Charlie for that.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
It'd be so low percentage as to be useless. Harder to catch the ball, harder to secure it, and impossible to get into a good position for contact. If Big Charlie hadn't gone out diving at knees he could have absolutely belted whoever it was.
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Tim. wrote:
J Man wrote:Surely that needs to be changed. What a farce :lol:

It would be worth deliberately doing it to milk a penalty.
You mean how every player from childhood is taught to jump to catch kicks to buy themselves time? It's a basic of the sport ffs.
It was a pass
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You could easily employ it as a tactic. The close quarter stuff in the forwards that the All Blacks do - just jump on to every pop pass.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
It's already done when players jump/dive over the ruck to score. What is the legal defence?
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
I'm watched Ben Youngs practice this for close to a decade. Trust me, it's not good for an attack. :((
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Jimmy Looselips wrote:It is a clear penalty under current rules, but does that mean you can jump to avoid being allowed to be tackled? Surely that is an anomaly of the laws that needs correcting.
He jump to catch the pass, nothing to do with avoiding a tackle. Look at it in context.
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Lions were going to score anyway, matter of time. NZ defence was vulnerable today.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
This.

Given how many players close to the ruck receive the ball and tackle at the same time, can the 'jump-pass' be used to effectively milk soft penalties?
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I like How READ told the ref that he will do it himself next time .. LOL ..I'm sure Shack will point this out to WR in the next few days.
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Anonymous. wrote:
Tim. wrote:
J Man wrote:Surely that needs to be changed. What a farce :lol:

It would be worth deliberately doing it to milk a penalty.
You mean how every player from childhood is taught to jump to catch kicks to buy themselves time? It's a basic of the sport ffs.
It was a pass
Yes, but the rule is the same. You're allowed to jump and claim the ball. Indeed you are taught to in another facet of play in part because of the rule. It's a analogous situation which no one has a problem with.

You are not allowed to jump through tackles when you already have the ball. V clear cut.
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Dumbledore wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
If Big Charlie hadn't gone out diving at knees he could have absolutely belted whoever it was.
Amazing how the game has evolved that tackling a player around the legs is looked down upon.
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Keith wrote:
Jimmy Looselips wrote:It is a clear penalty under current rules, but does that mean you can jump to avoid being allowed to be tackled? Surely that is an anomaly of the laws that needs correcting.
He jump to catch the pass, nothing to do with avoiding a tackle. Look at it in context.
I know, but the law simply says you can't tackle someone in the air. I believe the intent of the law was jumping to catch a kick. But if it includes catching a pass why would a player doing hurdles not be similarly covered.
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Lions, lost the test to SA with ROG. Won it the same way here.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Player loses all momentum and has not footwork to get out of trouble, you might draw a penalty once, but from then on the defender would hold off and absolutely smash the carrier.
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grimoald wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Player loses all momentum and has not footwork to get out of trouble, you might draw a penalty once, but from then on the defender would hold off and absolutely smash the carrier.
Not really. You could pass it high and in front so the player jumps onto the ball when near the tryline. Defending player would have no choice but to tackle.
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grimoald wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Player loses all momentum and has not footwork to get out of trouble, you might draw a penalty once, but from then on the defender would hold off and absolutely smash the carrier.
But if you did it on the tryline when the defending team often go for the chop tackle then not only is it a penalty then it ought to be a penalty try.

... I reckon the Italians would be up for implementing it as a tactic.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Rob Kearney did exactly that against the ABs a few seasons back and miked a pen from it.
Had no need to jump in the air but knew the AB defence was closing so jumped on purpose.
Not seen it done since tbf so it's a rarity, but it has been done before.
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We're definitely seeing more of this sort of thing, and at the end of tight games. Guirado jumped over some player (who naturally misses the tackle, counted as "no arms dangerous") at the end of a really important Euro Cup Pool game. Now this. The defender can only react spontaneously when the game gets this tight, and the jumper will get the contact 19/20 times. It's near impossible to keep one's self from making contact when you're committed, expecting to make a regular-level tackle, and in a split second the guy's airborne and you're in a really bad place. You'd have to be some Buddhist monk or sth to control yourself in this context.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
If Big Charlie hadn't gone out diving at knees he could have absolutely belted whoever it was.
Amazing how the game has evolved that tackling a player around the legs is looked down upon.
Yep, that's the issue here
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Nui. wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Rob Kearney did exactly that against the ABs a few seasons back and miked a pen from it.
Had no need to jump in the air but knew the AB defence was closing so jumped on purpose.
Not seen it done since tbf so it's a rarity, but it has been done before.
He jumped to catch a kick :?
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Anyone can post a video on the penalty? Looks ridiculous in real time but if the ball is in contest and the guy is in the air then it's fair enough.
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True Blue wrote:
grimoald wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Player loses all momentum and has not footwork to get out of trouble, you might draw a penalty once, but from then on the defender would hold off and absolutely smash the carrier.
Not really. You could pass it high and in front so the player jumps onto the ball when near the tryline. Defending player would have no choice but to tackle.
A player running and catching it while diving? Would be really hard to execute, but could work. Only a goaline tactic tho.

Law would be immediately changed to prevent 'pre-emptive' jumping off a pass.
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True Blue wrote:
grimoald wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Player loses all momentum and has not footwork to get out of trouble, you might draw a penalty once, but from then on the defender would hold off and absolutely smash the carrier.
Not really. You could pass it high and in front so the player jumps onto the ball when near the tryline. Defending player would have no choice but to tackle.
No one refs the laws on the tryline anyway. When was the last time you saw a defender get pinged for tackling a diving player in the air. Or for that matter a holding on pen when a release would allow the attacker to 'immediately place the ball' and score?
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Taken out in the air by a no-arm tackle. It easily could have been a yellow.
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tiddle wrote:
Nui. wrote:
Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
Rob Kearney did exactly that against the ABs a few seasons back and miked a pen from it.
Had no need to jump in the air but knew the AB defence was closing so jumped on purpose.
Not seen it done since tbf so it's a rarity, but it has been done before.
He jumped to catch a kick :?

No, he jumped into the air to catch a ball that was directly at his head height and right in front of him at the time he jumped.
It was needless and deliberate.
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:Not here for a whinge, but genuinely interested if you could effectively employ it as a pick-and-go tactic.
http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75020

Suggested the same a year ago, if someone could tweet that to the NZ press we can get a conspiracy story going I reckon
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True Blue wrote:Anyone can post a video on the penalty? Looks ridiculous in real time but if the ball is in contest and the guy is in the air then it's fair enough.
The pass was high so he probably had to jump to secure it. But it all happened very quickly.
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