SBW shoulder v Mako on Barrett

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What was the difference between the tackles? Both players targeted the head.
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One connected with serious force, the other barely made contact. French refs in particular look at the outcome rather than intent.
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Pics and slow motion gifs or GTFO
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SBW's was worse, no arguments. That said, there was another replay of Mako's contact that wasn't the flashest.
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J Man wrote:What was the difference between the tackles? Both players targeted the head.
Just when you think this place couldn't get any more embarrassing.
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One was a ball carrier and the other was in the breakdown.
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Well,if we are discussing filth ruck clear outs with players going off their feet we really need Retalik including for dropping elbows and flying in off feet at almost every ruck.
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Mako''s was worse, SBW made a poor decision in the heat of the moment a split second in open play with two players coming at him at 100mph.

Mako dived on a prone player, leading with shoulder/forearm to the head, in a static play nowhere near the ball.
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Sonny's was worse.

Both cards were fair.
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Mako v. Saint Kevin?
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One was a deliberate shoulder charge to the head at speed, the other a legitimate ruck clearout with the TMO desperate to get a Lion binned or red carded.
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J Man wrote:What was the difference between the tackles? Both players targeted the head.
One made contact and was obvious the other didn't and wasn't obvious from the first angle and the ref didn't want to take any more notice of the whiney TMO when he desperately tried to get him to have another look. Apart from that both reds and Mako was the more culpable as he had only just given away a penalty against the same player and there was more intent with his.

We got away with it. FUCK YEAH
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Grizz Wyllie wrote:SBW's was worse, no arguments. That said, there was another replay of Mako's contact that wasn't the flashest.
Yep - and I think the TMO was trying to bring that to the ref's attention but the ref was ignoring him.

Think a yellow was fair enough though, there was nothing like the force involved in SBW's hit...but I was definitely worried for a while that it might have been worse.
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Minnosu wrote:One connected with serious force, the other barely made contact. French refs in particular look at the outcome rather than intent.
As they should...that's how it works.
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bimboman wrote:Well,if we are discussing filth ruck clear outs with players going off their feet we really need Retalik including for dropping elbows and flying in off feet at almost every ruck.
Stay onside you cheating plum.
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The Farrell incident was bad
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BlueThunder wrote:Mako''s was worse, SBW made a poor decision in the heat of the moment a split second in open play with two players coming at him at 100mph.

Mako dived on a prone player, leading with shoulder/forearm to the head, in a static play nowhere near the ball.
The ref was more lenient on Mako because it was a ruck and and he used his left arm to grab Barrett.
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BlueThunder wrote:Mako''s was worse, SBW made a poor decision in the heat of the moment a split second in open play with two players coming at him at 100mph.

Mako dived on a prone player, leading with shoulder/forearm to the head, in a static play nowhere near the ball.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Barrett pretending he was hurt in order to get Mako in trouble was sad to see.
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bimboman wrote:Well,if we are discussing filth ruck clear outs with players going off their feet we really need Retalik including for dropping elbows and flying in off feet at almost every ruck.
Yep - totally agree. Seems to needlessly hit players as well...the ball is normally either gone ot completely clean.

That said SoB had a swinging arm that forced Naholo off that didn't look too smart so not sure if we can point fingers. He might get cited for it...only say the replay once so not sure if it was a complete accident or not (first impression was it was accidental but would like to see it again). Real shame for him if he gets in trouble. Though himself and Cane were both excellent today. Different players but both had great games.
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Anonymous. wrote:Barrett pretending he was hurt in order to get Mako in trouble was sad to see.

Ja. Not what one expects from the Golden Boy of New Zealand All Black Rugby.

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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:Barrett pretending he was hurt in order to get Mako in trouble was sad to see.

Ja. Not what one expects from the Golden Boy of New Zealand All Black Rugby.

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Anonymous. wrote:Barrett pretending he was hurt in order to get Mako in trouble was sad to see.
Not to mention his dive from the "late" hit. I hope he gets smashed next week (legally, of course).
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Vunipola's looked particularly nasty. The way he dived in on a player lying on the ground with the pointy end of his shoulder, after the ball had already left. You could tell by the glint in his eye that he wanted to seriously hurt somebody. That could have put him in ward 4.
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Someone stick up the gif of Kane's forearm to head clear out last week which was 10 times worse than Vunipola's this week. Peyper didn't even give the Lions a penalty. You Kiwis were saying it's not tuddlywinks last week when it wasn't even a pen, and are crying that it isn't a red this week. What a bunch of daft plum :lol:

Today's was a yellow, and so was last weeks.
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Tehui wrote:Vunipola's looked particularly nasty. The way he dived in on a player lying on the ground with the pointy end of his shoulder, after the ball had already left. You could tell by the glint in his eye that he wanted to seriously hurt somebody. That could have put him in ward 4.
Did you not watch how the NZ second rows were clearing out all game. It was the same FFS.
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Keith wrote:
Tehui wrote:Vunipola's looked particularly nasty. The way he dived in on a player lying on the ground with the pointy end of his shoulder, after the ball had already left. You could tell by the glint in his eye that he wanted to seriously hurt somebody. That could have put him in ward 4.
Did you not watch how the NZ second rows were clearing out all game. It was the same FFS.
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mr bungle wrote:
bimboman wrote:Well,if we are discussing filth ruck clear outs with players going off their feet we really need Retalik including for dropping elbows and flying in off feet at almost every ruck.
Stay onside you cheating plum.

Indeed. But that's the offside vs blocking which is worse thread.
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The Vunipola cleanout happens 40 times a game. Be interesting if that starts getting carded regularly
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mr bungle wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:Barrett pretending he was hurt in order to get Mako in trouble was sad to see.

Ja. Not what one expects from the Golden Boy of New Zealand All Black Rugby.

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Dumbledore wrote:The Vunipola cleanout happens 40 times a game. Be interesting if that starts getting carded regularly
This
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Someone could be cited for the swinging arm that took Naholo out of the game.

No issues with either card. Mako could just have easily been a yellow for 2nd penalty for stupid play. Similar to Liam Williams yellow against the Blues.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:Pics and slow motion gifs or GTFO
Should be a rule when people post threads questioning referee calls.
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Dumbledore wrote:The Vunipola cleanout happens 40 times a game. Be interesting if that starts getting carded regularly
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... en-barrett
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Pics and slow motion gifs or GTFO
Should be a rule when people post threads questioning referee calls.

Also a powerpoint presentation.
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Tehui wrote:Vunipola's looked particularly nasty. The way he dived in on a player lying on the ground with the pointy end of his shoulder, after the ball had already left. You could tell by the glint in his eye that he wanted to seriously hurt somebody. That could have put him in ward 4.
Youre worse than the welsh when englabd win in cardiff. Stinking up the board with your one eyed hilarity.
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Auckman wrote:Someone could be cited for the swinging arm that took Naholo out of the game.

No issues with either card. Mako could just have easily been a yellow for 2nd penalty for stupid play. Similar to Liam Williams yellow against the Blues.
:nod: although on only one very quick replay it did not look as bead as initially thought.
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Sonny Blount wrote:Sonny's was worse.

Both cards were fair.
This.
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Auckman wrote:Someone could be cited for the swinging arm that took Naholo out of the game.
Sean O'Brien. It's hard to tell whether it was intentional. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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