So tactics for Poite next week

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:31 am

Another week, another French ref.
However, it will be a completely different game with the "interpretation" being completely different from Garces.

Garces was very hot to ping ruck infringements but let a lot of scrums collapse with play continuing from the base.

Poite normally makes up his mind early in which team has the dominant scrum and award s lots of penalties accordingly.

Rucks are a free for all which creates a mess but attracts lots of numbers, creating space out wide.
Both sides should target the ball and misfile like hell into the rucks.

jezzer · Post by **jezzer** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:54 pm

Poite is much maligned. Very good ref. Managed the Canes game very well. While the crowd weren't happy with some of his decisions, he was right almost the entire game. Always going to be misses and errors by refs, but Poite has the right balance of applying the laws and letting the game flow.

Usually.

SamShark · Post by **SamShark** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:56 pm

I predict he will be forever known as Romain Toite after next week.

Mr. Very Popular · Post by **Mr. Very Popular** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:16 pm

For Poite, hopes he forgets Murray is from Munster.
And just lash into the breakdown like Mako into a snack box.

Fat Old Git · Post by **Fat Old Git** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:51 pm

I don't get all the ref angst. All the teams need to do is listen to what the ref is telling them and react accordingly. It's not rocket science.

Joost · Post by **Joost** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:56 pm

I'm going to be watching the game while on a stag do and plan to do a shot every time he shouts 'Dis-Ci-Pliiiiiinnnne'

Just as well start on the bottle when Sinck comes on

naki · Post by **naki** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:05 pm

Both teams could decide to not smash their shoulders into dudes faces for a start

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:21 pm

Of all the refs in the world Poite allows the most amount of contest for possession.
Virtually anything goes at ruck time. You have to put numbers in to retain possession.
It creates space outside but probably slower ball.

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:03 pm

First of all you must address him as Romain.

whezmabeer · Post by **whezmabeer** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:07 am

Flametop wrote:Another week, another French ref.
However, it will be a completely different game with the "interpretation" being completely different from Garces.

Garces was very hot to ping ruck infringements but let a lot of scrums collapse with play continuing from the base.

Poite normally makes up his mind early in which team has the dominant scrum and award s lots of penalties accordingly.

Rucks are a free for all which creates a mess but attracts lots of numbers, creating space out wide.
Both sides should target the ball and misfile like hell into the rucks.

If the Lions cant adapt to a new ref, they may as well go home now. They should be looking at their own game and how they will overcome the AB's, not worry about the ref.

Toro · Post by **Toro** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:00 am

My god, you lot and the refs

Sandstorm · Post by **Sandstorm** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:03 am

Fat Old Git wrote:I don't get all the ref angst. All the teams need to do is listen to what the ref is telling them and react accordingly. It's not rocket science.

Poite's English is so bad, that's going to be a massive problem

Sandstorm · Post by **Sandstorm** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:04 am

naki wrote:Both teams could decide to not smash their shoulders into dudes faces for a start

Ah, dancing

puntopunto · Post by **puntopunto** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:06 am

Flametop wrote:Another week, another French ref.
However, it will be a completely different game with the "interpretation" being completely different from Garces.

Garces was very hot to ping ruck infringements but let a lot of scrums collapse with play continuing from the base.

Poite normally makes up his mind early in which team has the dominant scrum and award s lots of penalties accordingly.

Rucks are a free for all which creates a mess but attracts lots of numbers, creating space out wide.
Both sides should target the ball and misfile like hell into the rucks.

Hes a good ref. The little south african fucker with the creepy grin not so much.

utrechtnl · Post by **utrechtnl** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:59 pm

Found the 1014 series on the refs interesting during the lions

https://youtu.be/pDMlVRPg-PU

https://youtu.be/gNrrs-7L6eI

Good perspective on why some items are left go & others not.

fishfoodie · Post by **fishfoodie** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:41 pm

Mr. Very Popular wrote:For Poite, hopes he forgets Murray is from Munster.
And just lash into the breakdown like Mako into a snack box.

Poite is the scrum expert, so the front row better mind their Ps & Qs, & he's also the ref who really, really hates yappy players in his ear; so I hope the NZ'ers start flappiara

Hawk97 · Post by **Hawk97** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:44 pm

Don't make rucks.

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:47 pm

Rules for Romain are simple:

Win the early scrums as cleanly as possible. After 5 or so scrum wins, you can be as dirty as fudge

Don't lie on the wrong side of the ruck - you will be penalised - but otherwise, pile the numbers in.

Seemples

Yourmother · Post by **Yourmother** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:45 pm

CrazyIslander wrote:First of all you must address him as Romain.

Romain Garces?

Dork Lard · Post by **Dork Lard** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:34 pm

Sandstorm wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:I don't get all the ref angst. All the teams need to do is listen to what the ref is telling them and react accordingly. It's not rocket science.
Poite's English is so bad, that's going to be a massive problem

YAAAAAAAAAAAAZZIIIITT !!!!!!!

rfurlong · Post by **rfurlong** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:47 pm

Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

There must have been at least half a dozen occasions in the second test where garces screamed "leave it 6"

...... with poite at the helm I genuinely reckon Sam is going to fill his boots

If it was any other ref on Saturday I'd be looking for him to be dropped in favour of Pom stander or tips.... but I think the current backrow is just perfect for a poite match.

Looking back on Saturdays game and the two pennos itoje gave away were every bit as stupid as makos ones ..... I don't subscribe to the view that he's nailed on

We could see lawes and itoje start however, which makes you wonder if AWJ gets into the 23 ahead of hendo. If the ruck is a free for all then there's no better player to spring from the bench to start counter rucking like a crazed buffalo

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:02 am

Unfortunately can't see Gatland dropping AWJ.

Agree about Warburton though. If he gets away with slowing AB ball/winning holding penalties it could be the winning of the match. Also depends on what Poite and the TMO think of the scud missiles(diving onto the player off their feet)that will be aimed at him all night.

Tschussie · Post by **Tschussie** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:06 am

rfurlong wrote:counter rucking like a crazed buffalo

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:29 am

rfurlong wrote:Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

Warburton was excellent on Saturday.

Big lift from POM (apart from lineouts) in the first test.

grouch · Post by **grouch** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:02 am

camroc1 wrote:Unfortunately can't see Gatland dropping AWJ.

Agree about Warburton though. If he gets away with slowing AB ball/winning holding penalties it could be the winning of the match. Also depends on what Poite and the TMO think of the scud missiles(diving onto the player off their feet)that will be aimed at him all night.

If you had any knowledge of the Laws of the game and even a passing familiarity with AB ruck technique prior to this tour where the former have been completely ignored by the all the referees , except the much maligned Angus Gardner , then you would know that "scud missile " at ruck /breakdown has been standard Lion's fare and those players [ the scud missile targets] are obliged to make every effort to maintain their footing and not go to ground with the express purpose of slowing down the recycle or playing the ball.

If the discipline/penalty count is to be addressed then positive play at the breakdown is required .

Ooh , and the offside line is the last mans feet , not 0.5 , 1 , 2 or 3 metres in front of .

Jeff the Bear · Post by **Jeff the Bear** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:03 am

mr bungle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

Warburton was excellent on Saturday. Big lift from POM (apart from lineouts) in the first test.

Nah, that's not the narrative. Get with the programme. AWJ and Warburton are/were/will always be shit...totally irrespective of what actually happens.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:08 am

grouch wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Unfortunately can't see Gatland dropping AWJ.

Agree about Warburton though. If he gets away with slowing AB ball/winning holding penalties it could be the winning of the match. Also depends on what Poite and the TMO think of the scud missiles(diving onto the player off their feet)that will be aimed at him all night.

If you had any knowledge of the Laws of the game and even a passing familiarity with AB ruck technique prior to this tour where the former have been completely ignored by the all the referees , except the much maligned Angus Gardner , then you would know that "scud missile " at ruck /breakdown has been standard Lion's fare and those players [ the scud missile targets] are obliged to make every effort to maintain their footing and not go to ground with the express purpose of slowing down the recycle or playing the ball.

If the discipline/penalty count is to be addressed then positive play at the breakdown is required .

Ooh , and the offside line is the last mans feet , not 0.5 , 1 , 2 or 3 metres in front of .

You guys are both cut from the same loony ref whinging cloth. Hemispheres apart, but arguing your angle by virtue of place of birth. So beautiful to witness.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:10 am

Jeff the Bear wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

Warburton was excellent on Saturday. Big lift from POM (apart from lineouts) in the first test.
Nah, that's not the narrative. Get with the programme. AWJ and Warburton are/were/will always be shit...totally irrespective of what actually happens.

AWJ is average, but the unusual majority man advantage made the difference.

Jeff the Bear · Post by **Jeff the Bear** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:16 am

mr bungle wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

Warburton was excellent on Saturday. Big lift from POM (apart from lineouts) in the first test.
Nah, that's not the narrative. Get with the programme. AWJ and Warburton are/were/will always be shit...totally irrespective of what actually happens.
AWJ is average, but the unusual majority man advantage made the difference.

He was smashing All Blacks from minute 1. That was his main job, and he did it extremely well. Especially during that first 40 minutes, the All Blacks got no traction up front as the held at the gainline.

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:38 am

Saint wrote:Rules for Romain are simple:

Win the early scrums as cleanly as possible. After 5 or so scrum wins, you can be as dirty as fudge

Don't lie on the wrong side of the ruck - you will be penalised - but otherwise, pile the numbers in.

Seemples

So the Lie Ons are screwed then - if you are correct.

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:39 am

mr bungle wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Warburton has done the square root of feck all this tour, but I think Poite on Saturday is made for him.

I expect our anonymous captain to have a field day at ruck time and win MOTM.

Warburton was excellent on Saturday. Big lift from POM (apart from lineouts) in the first test.
Nah, that's not the narrative. Get with the programme. AWJ and Warburton are/were/will always be shit...totally irrespective of what actually happens.
AWJ is average, but the unusual majority man advantage made the difference.

Ah, don't ya just love the Oirish and their impartiality.

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:15 am

Seriously the Lions are fvcked with Poite the same way the ABs were fvcked with Garces.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:51 am

CrazyIslander wrote:Seriously the Lions are fvcked with Poite the same way the ABs were fvcked with Garces.

How so? He was good for us in 2013

grouch · Post by **grouch** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:52 am

mr bungle wrote:
grouch wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Unfortunately can't see Gatland dropping AWJ.

Agree about Warburton though. If he gets away with slowing AB ball/winning holding penalties it could be the winning of the match. Also depends on what Poite and the TMO think of the scud missiles(diving onto the player off their feet)that will be aimed at him all night.

If you had any knowledge of the Laws of the game and even a passing familiarity with AB ruck technique prior to this tour where the former have been completely ignored by the all the referees , except the much maligned Angus Gardner , then you would know that "scud missile " at ruck /breakdown has been standard Lion's fare and those players [ the scud missile targets] are obliged to make every effort to maintain their footing and not go to ground with the express purpose of slowing down the recycle or playing the ball.

If the discipline/penalty count is to be addressed then positive play at the breakdown is required .

Ooh , and the offside line is the last mans feet , not 0.5 , 1 , 2 or 3 metres in front of .
You guys are both cut from the same loony ref whinging cloth. Hemispheres apart, but arguing your angle by virtue of place of birth. So beautiful to witness.

Glad I could bring some positive outcome to one so opinionated but so lacking in perception.

Post by **Hong Kong** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:00 am

Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe

Kiwias · Post by **Kiwias** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:14 am

Hong Kong wrote:Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe

That is the match f**ked then

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:19 am

Hong Kong wrote:Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe

A fair and balanced post. Please ensure this does not happen again on here

Post by **Hong Kong** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:21 am

Kiwias wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe
That is the match f**ked then

But, but......

Frodder wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe

A fair and balanced post. Please ensure this does not happen again on here

Wolfe Tone · Post by **Wolfe Tone** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:54 am

Act the maggot at every ruck. He doesn't ref them properly and it will end up in a free for all.

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:59 am

Hong Kong wrote:Maybe, just maybe Poite will go out and ref the clear and obvious, manage the manageable, take into account any material effect and apply the law with all these in mind....maybe

Hang on there just a dang minute youngster. ...

Oh yeah, that would be good eh. I like the clear and obvious but I also add material. Aaaand so did you.