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At the end of the day Poite changed his mind and also went against the TMO recommendation. He made Rugby the winner.
Good on you Romain

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

A Keewee in an "accidental" off-side position? Ho, ho, ho. Never happens, old chap.

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

Haha love it, if he had got out of there properly it wouldn't have been a penalty. Lying on the wrong side of the ruck is liable to be penalised all day and the player knows that.

Sundy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

Haha love it, if he had got out of there properly it wouldn't have been a penalty. Lying on the wrong side of the ruck is liable to be penalised all day and the player knows that.

I thought the same initially and was shouting roll away (and worse). The replay showed he was pinned around the shoulders and head, so not that simple. Webb milked it.

guy smiley wrote:

mr bungle wrote:

Sundy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

Haha love it, if he had got out of there properly it wouldn't have been a penalty. Lying on the wrong side of the ruck is liable to be penalised all day and the player knows that.

I thought the same initially and was shouting roll away (and worse). The replay showed he was pinned around the shoulders and head, so not that simple. Webb milked it.

You see that all the time though... he was in the wrong place. Got pinged. Fair enough.

You're a ref at heart.

guy smiley wrote:

mr bungle wrote:

Sundy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

Haha love it, if he had got out of there properly it wouldn't have been a penalty. Lying on the wrong side of the ruck is liable to be penalised all day and the player knows that.

I thought the same initially and was shouting roll away (and worse). The replay showed he was pinned around the shoulders and head, so not that simple. Webb milked it.

You see that all the time though... he was in the wrong place. Got pinged. Fair enough.

So fair enough a minute later when their fellow was caught in an unfortunate position?. Fair's fair and all that?

It wasn't a knock on, therefore no offside.

Williams dropped the ball backwards, but the contact with Read pushed him towards his goal line faster than the ball. All the "ball momentum" forward-pass-allowing, motion-of-the-hands cnuts are conveniently ignoring basic physics. Again.

The daft Welsh hooker should've held onto the ball, because if Poite hadn't blown his whistle (which he shouldn't have for anything except maybe Read's contact with the man in the air) then ABs collected the loose ball and were charging toward the line.

Enzedder wrote:Hey Clogsy - going well?

Given that Poite was very pedantic in reffing a penalty for a deliberate throw by the scrummie into out our prop (who was also in an accidental offside position having extricated himself from a ruck) do you think he should have remained consistent when reffing the very next decision?

All good ol mate, and i hope you are being looked after. One more fuckin op needed for you and i will start the petition to put you out of your misery. Death by 1000 thai hookers!

You know i am scathing on refs at times. The tackle/ruck area being a particular pet hate. Penalties could be awarded at every single one. Players not staying on their feet, wrong entry, playing the ball on the ground etc. Even if you are the attacking team you get little reward (have lost count of the number of times the sharks/boks are trying to close out a game in the dying seconds and get pinged for sealing off or some shit when it has happened all game long). It is a debacle and will continue to be so. Sorry i cant help more.

Polite bottles it. We have TMOs and that should cut the need for instantaneous whistle blowing. Pouts should have put out his arm for advantage all blacks and let the game go on. Then refer to the TMO at the next stoppage. Wayne Barnes is a great exponent of this style of reffing. Always talking to his TMO during live play ... a style endorsed by IRB

I think the most disappointing thing to come out of this incident, is we will watch games week in and week out where we see exactly the same thing, and it'll be a penalty every single time.
IMO that particular scenario shouldn't be a penalty anyway, but it is. I'll watch a game next week where this happens and it'll be a penalty.

It's a shame that the referee is getting the more attention then any of the players. Poite was the MOTM but not in a positive way.
This is his legacy.

DOB wrote:It wasn't a knock on, therefore no offside.

Williams dropped the ball backwards, but the contact with Read pushed him towards his goal line faster than the ball. All the "ball momentum" forward-pass-allowing, motion-of-the-hands cnuts are conveniently ignoring basic physics. Again.

The daft Welsh hooker should've held onto the ball, because if Poite hadn't blown his whistle (which he shouldn't have for anything except maybe Read's contact with the man in the air) then ABs collected the loose ball and were charging toward the line.

Agree it wasn't a knock-on. Doesn't matter though, Red 16 was offside

In general play a player is offside if the player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball, or in front of a team-mate who last played the ball.

Tehui wrote:

Toro wrote:I thought he was good and the All Blacks only have themselves to blame.

This.

To win you need to score more points than the opposition and get your kicks over.

Oh the joy of seeing NZ outrage.

You lot didn't seem to mind when Joubert bottled it in the 2011 RWC final? I distinctly remember Joubert ignoring Kaino playing the ball with his hands in a ruck in a very kickable position.

Anyway Poite got it wrong its obvious but I think it was the right outcome nonetheless. Refs are human and will make errors. Imagine the pressure of that moment. Like it or not our laws are open to interpretation and a ref has to make a decion. Its not like Poite can be accused of bias. He was fair to both teams throughout (unlike Joubert). Rather be reffed by a fair ref who makes the odd mistake than one who consistently ping one side.

Whats more concerning is why Southern Hemisphere refs and TMOs seem highly motivated to assist other SH teams. The TMO in the second test was outrageous. And Peyper was a disgrace. Whats the story there?

A draw was what this series deserved and seeing both team line up for the photo warmed the cockles. What a great advert for rugby. I'll bet the guys had a brilliant night out together.

And the anger at Webb for throwing the ball into an offside player is a bit rich given that Aaron Smuth did it a few times on the last end of year tour and got pens each time.

miladiou wrote:Oh the joy of seeing NZ outrage.

You lot didn't seem to mind when Joubert bottled it in the 2011 RWC final? I distinctly remember Joubert ignoring Kaino playing the ball with his hands in a ruck in a very kickable position.

Anyway Poite got it wrong its obvious but I think it was the right outcome nonetheless. Refs are human and will make errors. Imagine the pressure of that moment. Like it or not our laws are open to interpretation and a ref has to make a decion. Its not like Poite can be accused of bias. He was fair to both teams throughout (unlike Joubert). Rather be reffed by a fair tef who makes the odd mistake.

Whats more concerning is why Southern Hemisphere refs and TMOs seem highly motivated to assist other SH teams. The TMO in the second test was outrageous. And Peyper was a disgrace. Whats the story there?

A draw was what this series deserved and seeing both team line up for the photo warmed the cockles. What a great advert for rugby. I'll bet the guys had a brilliant night out together.

And the anger at Webb throughing the ball into an offside player is a bit rich given that Aaron Smuth did it a few times on the last end of year tour and got pens each time.

Obviously forgotten the eye gouge and headbutt on McCaw I see

guy smiley wrote:

Old Man by the Sea wrote:It's a shame that the referee is getting the more attention then any of the players. Poite was the MOTM but not in a positive way.
This is his legacy.

What a crock of shit.

I think you are going out of your way to be holier than thou. It's a crock of shit mate - show some f**king passion. Poite stuffed it. Let is out son.

Those Lie Ons twats led one game for 3 minutes in all the freaking series and get a draw on the back of two monumental French Fuck Ups. (insert one of those Copy write thingies here)

Show some passion - you're a Kiwi bloke working in a mine FFS, show some spirit

Enzedder wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Old Man by the Sea wrote:It's a shame that the referee is getting the more attention then any of the players. Poite was the MOTM but not in a positive way.
This is his legacy.

What a crock of shit.

I think you are going out of your way to be holier than thou. It's a crock of shit mate - show some f**king passion. Poite stuffed it. Let is out son.

Those Lie Ons twats led one game for 3 minutes in all the freaking series and get a draw on the back of two monumental French Fuck Ups. (insert one of those Copy write thingies here)

Show some passion - you're a Kiwi bloke working in a mine FFS, show some spirit

I think Poite had a jolly reasonable game...

Sards wrote:To win you need to score more points than the opposition and get your kicks over.

Really? Never knew that, thanks.

SecretAgentMan wrote:

Sards wrote:To win you need to score more points than the opposition and get your kicks over.

Really? Never knew that, thanks.

It's a bitter pill at times.

Sort out your kicks at poles

guy smiley wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Old Man by the Sea wrote:It's a shame that the referee is getting the more attention then any of the players. Poite was the MOTM but not in a positive way.
This is his legacy.

What a crock of shit.

I think you are going out of your way to be holier than thou. It's a crock of shit mate - show some f**king passion. Poite stuffed it. Let is out son.

Those Lie Ons twats led one game for 3 minutes in all the freaking series and get a draw on the back of two monumental French Fuck Ups. (insert one of those Copy write thingies here)

Show some passion - you're a Kiwi bloke working in a mine FFS, show some spirit

What a crock of shit.

Grow some balls man. Your tits are getting int he way of your manlioness. (sic)

merlin the happy pig wrote:
Obviously forgotten the eye gouge and headbutt on McCaw I see

No the eye gouge was horrendous and Gougerie should have been cited and banned for a long time. That had nothong to do with Joubert who didnt see it.

Dont recall a headbut but i do remember McCaw kneeing Parra (our only half decent kicker) in the face thereby ending his match. Or are you suggesting Parra headbutted McCaw's knee?

Anyway I dont think NZ should have any complaints. You've benefited from plenty of iffy decisions over the years.

Hong Kong wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Old Man by the Sea wrote:It's a shame that the referee is getting the more attention then any of the players. Poite was the MOTM but not in a positive way.
This is his legacy.

What a crock of shit.

I think you are going out of your way to be holier than thou. It's a crock of shit mate - show some f**king passion. Poite stuffed it. Let is out son.

Those Lie Ons twats led one game for 3 minutes in all the freaking series and get a draw on the back of two monumental French Fuck Ups. (insert one of those Copy write thingies here)

Show some passion - you're a Kiwi bloke working in a mine FFS, show some spirit

I think Poite had a jolly reasonable game...

Of course you did being a Lions fan (although what the hell the Scots have to do with the Lions is anyone's guess.)

miladiou wrote:

merlin the happy pig wrote:
Obviously forgotten the eye gouge and headbutt on McCaw I see

No the eye gouge was horrendous and Gougerie should have been cited and banned for a long time. That had nothong to do with Joubert who didnt see it.

Dont recall a headbut but i do remember McCaw kneeing Parra (our only half decent kicker) in the face thereby ending his match. Or are you suggesting Parra headbutted McCaw's knee?

Anyway I dont think NZ should have any complaints. You've benefited from plenty of iffy decisions over the years.

Thereby implying that this was indeed a giant French Fuck Up (™)

Those Lie Ons twats led one game for 3 minutes in all the freaking series and get a draw

This is truly bizarre. The score at full time is all that matters. As for calling them twats

Firstly the leap into Charlie F and then the deliberate throwing of the ball into a player on the ground to score a penalty. You're right mate, they not twats, they're unsporting plums. And then they get the Frenchies to come on board. Despicable sports

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Crazy Ed wrote:Read was only ever going to try and slap ball back where as Williams was lifted to take a 2 handed catch..

What's the relevance of this? He's allowed to slap the ball back and almost did so. It's a legitimate, realistic attempt at playing the ball which by IRB guidelines is not a penalty.

It would only have been realistic if Sanjay wasn't there - which is why we think it was a lions penalty in the first place

I thought Poite did a reasonable job letting the game flow, but that is all I can say about his reffing. Missed so much and I reckon the Lions got stiffed more by his mistakes or misses than the AB's. It was unbecoming of a ref.

Still I reckon a draw was a fair outcome as the AB's bottled it big time, as did the Lions at times.

Enzedder wrote:Firstly the leap into Charlie F and then the deliberate throwing of the ball into a player on the ground to score a penalty. You're right mate, they not twats, they're unsporting plums. And then they get the Frenchies to come on board. Despicable sports

Oh how sweet it is to hear the Keewees whinge like little girls.

Duff Paddy wrote:

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Crazy Ed wrote:Read was only ever going to try and slap ball back where as Williams was lifted to take a 2 handed catch..

What's the relevance of this? He's allowed to slap the ball back and almost did so. It's a legitimate, realistic attempt at playing the ball which by IRB guidelines is not a penalty.

It would only have been realistic if Sanjay wasn't there - which is why we think it was a lions penalty in the first place

Too bad that even the monumental idiots reffing the game still couldn't find a penalty for you on that one. Read was jumping just as high as your fellows.

wamberal99 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Firstly the leap into Charlie F and then the deliberate throwing of the ball into a player on the ground to score a penalty. You're right mate, they not twats, they're unsporting plums. And then they get the Frenchies to come on board. Despicable sports

Oh how sweet it is to hear the Keewees whinge like little girls.

Nah most of them have been grand.

wamberal99 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Firstly the leap into Charlie F and then the deliberate throwing of the ball into a player on the ground to score a penalty. You're right mate, they not twats, they're unsporting plums. And then they get the Frenchies to come on board. Despicable sports

Oh how sweet it is to hear the Keewees whinge like little girls.

your turn in a few weeks sweetcheeks. Lube up

Was Read even onside from the kick off? Sure didn't look like it.

When did being onside become necessary in this series?

Nabberuk wrote:Was Read even onside from the kick off? Sure didn't look like it.

Yes, there's gifs and still shots all over twitter showing he was well onside.

Enzedder wrote:When did being onside become necessary in this series?

So Owens was fine?? Cool

Hong Kong wrote:

Enzedder wrote:When did being onside become necessary in this series?

So Owens was fine?? Cool

Nabberuk wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Enzedder wrote:When did being onside become necessary in this series?

So Owens was fine?? Cool

Turns out he was though eh?

Just wish the French Fuck Ups (™) hadn't blown at all as I reckon ALB may well have gotten through

rugga. wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:Was Read even onside from the kick off? Sure didn't look like it.

Yes, there's gifs and still shots all over twitter showing he was well onside.

Your right.


https://twitter.com/thedeadballarea/sta ... 0188753921

Looking back at it, it's borderline him taking the man out in the air.

wamberal99 wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Firstly the leap into Charlie F and then the deliberate throwing of the ball into a player on the ground to score a penalty. You're right mate, they not twats, they're unsporting plums. And then they get the Frenchies to come on board. Despicable sports

Oh how sweet it is to hear the Keewees whinge like little girls.

Imagine what we'd be like if we lost to Scotland.

Nabberuk wrote:

rugga. wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:Was Read even onside from the kick off? Sure didn't look like it.

Yes, there's gifs and still shots all over twitter showing he was well onside.

Your right.


https://twitter.com/thedeadballarea/sta ... 0188753921

Looking back at it, it's borderline him taking the man out in the air.

And that the ball didnt go farwards