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OptimisticJock wrote:

VBall wrote:I went with my son last night. I was so looking forward to it.

Thought it was good and would encourage others to see it. But I was not bowled-over by it.

Liked the flying scenes and inside the sunken boat on the beach. The sound effects were superb. As for the men on the beaches, it seemed too ordered. Perhaps it was. I also missed the sense of the sheer quantity of small boats and the fact that many of them did shuttle runs.

Not as horrific as Private Ryan and it is not meant to be. British cinema rather than American.

I've not seen it yet but the small boats didn't save anywhere as near as the general opinion seems to think, only around 5% were evacuated by them. Perhaps it's a nod to that?

BlackMac wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

VBall wrote:I went with my son last night. I was so looking forward to it.

Thought it was good and would encourage others to see it. But I was not bowled-over by it.

Liked the flying scenes and inside the sunken boat on the beach. The sound effects were superb. As for the men on the beaches, it seemed too ordered. Perhaps it was. I also missed the sense of the sheer quantity of small boats and the fact that many of them did shuttle runs.

Not as horrific as Private Ryan and it is not meant to be. British cinema rather than American.

I've not seen it yet but the small boats didn't save anywhere as near as the general opinion seems to think, only around 5% were evacuated by them. Perhaps it's a nod to that?

Is that not just the figure for the troops physically brought back to the UK in one of the small boats. Many were used just to shuttle troops from the beach to waiting ships. Tens of thousands were taken off in this manner.

aitch@wasps wrote:Saw it on Saturday. Was exhausted by it. Excellent cinematography. Only thing we noticed was a lack of stubble on Styles's chin and lack of disarrangement of attire when they were on the train going home. Oh, and one of the Spits was a MkV instead of a MkI.
Interesting that the enemy didn't have a face until the very end.
Very powerful stuff.

aitch@wasps wrote:Saw it on Saturday. Was exhausted by it. Excellent cinematography. Only thing we noticed was a lack of stubble on Styles's chin and lack of disarrangement of attire when they were on the train going home. Oh, and one of the Spits was a MkV instead of a MkI.
Interesting that the enemy didn't have a face until the very end.
Very powerful stuff.

Dai another day wrote:You'd think the French would be eternally grateful for what we did. It appears not.

PUMITA wrote:

Dai another day wrote:You'd think the French would be eternally grateful for what we did. It appears not.

Of course they are. British cemeteries are incredibly well looked after. There was a documentary a few years ago about the raid on St.Nazaire. A local elderly French couple remembered the time and the British dead some of whom they tended to while dying. They were in tears.

The BBC Dunkirk series is well worth watching too. It has been re-released on DVD.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dunkirk-BBC-DV ... ds=DUNKIRK

Includes the notorious murder by the SS at Wormhoudt of survivors of the Warwickshires, Cheshires and some French soldiers.

Clogs wrote:

aitch@wasps wrote:Saw it on Saturday. Was exhausted by it. Excellent cinematography. Only thing we noticed was a lack of stubble on Styles's chin and lack of disarrangement of attire when they were on the train going home. Oh, and one of the Spits was a MkV instead of a MkI.
Interesting that the enemy didn't have a face until the very end.
Very powerful stuff.

That was the clincher for me. Ridiculous. They were on a E type Fordham carriage which as everyone knows was only produced in 1946. The rivet on the panels and stairs were the giveaway. They really should've done their research. Flat head screws were the order of the day on the B type carriage. So disappointed. Ruined the movie for me.

lorcanoworms wrote:

Clogs wrote:

aitch@wasps wrote:Saw it on Saturday. Was exhausted by it. Excellent cinematography. Only thing we noticed was a lack of stubble on Styles's chin and lack of disarrangement of attire when they were on the train going home. Oh, and one of the Spits was a MkV instead of a MkI.
Interesting that the enemy didn't have a face until the very end.
Very powerful stuff.

That was the clincher for me. Ridiculous. They were on a E type Fordham carriage which as everyone knows was only produced in 1946. The rivet on the panels and stairs were the giveaway. They really should've done their research. Flat head screws were the order of the day on the B type carriage. So disappointed. Ruined the movie for me.

The Phillips screw was actually invented 2000 bc, by Achmed Biro.

Seneca of the Night wrote:Good article this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11895657

Razor wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:Good article this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11895657

Loved..."The Germans called him 'the Kiwi we couldn't kill'.

Bit like Richie

In one instance, with both pilots playing a fiery game of chicken, he collided head-on with a German plane. He crash-landed in a corn field and smashed his way out of the cockpit before his Spitfire burst into flames.

A few weeks later he found himself pursued by five German fighters near the French coast. He managed to evade them until reaching England, where he attempted to bail out of his bullet-ridden plane, which had caught fire.

In his own account, Deere wrote: "I shot out a few feet but somehow became caught up. Although I twisted and turned I could not free myself. The nose of my aircraft had now dropped and was pointing at the ground which was rushing up at an alarming rate. Then suddenly I was blown along the side of the fuselage and was clear. A hurried snatch at the rip cord and, with a jolt, the parachute opened."

During his flying days, Deere crash-landed a total of nine times. It's why he named his autobiography Nine Lives. Once, after bailing from a damaged plane, Deere and his faulty parachute landed in the soft part of a sewerage farm.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Razor wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:Good article this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11895657

Loved..."The Germans called him 'the Kiwi we couldn't kill'.

Bit like Richie :D

Jesus wept:

In one instance, with both pilots playing a fiery game of chicken, he collided head-on with a German plane. He crash-landed in a corn field and smashed his way out of the cockpit before his Spitfire burst into flames.

A few weeks later he found himself pursued by five German fighters near the French coast. He managed to evade them until reaching England, where he attempted to bail out of his bullet-ridden plane, which had caught fire.

In his own account, Deere wrote: "I shot out a few feet but somehow became caught up. Although I twisted and turned I could not free myself. The nose of my aircraft had now dropped and was pointing at the ground which was rushing up at an alarming rate. Then suddenly I was blown along the side of the fuselage and was clear. A hurried snatch at the rip cord and, with a jolt, the parachute opened."

During his flying days, Deere crash-landed a total of nine times. It's why he named his autobiography Nine Lives. Once, after bailing from a damaged plane, Deere and his faulty parachute landed in the soft part of a sewerage farm.

So he baled out twice and crash landed nine times. 14 kills.

Razor wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:Good article this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11895657

Loved..."The Germans called him 'the Kiwi we couldn't kill'.

Bit like Richie

Red Chopper wrote:

Razor wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:Good article this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11895657

Loved..."The Germans called him 'the Kiwi we couldn't kill'.

Bit like Richie

Seeing as the Germans referred to everyone in a British uniform - whether English, Scottish, Welsh or Aussie - as an ''Englander'', I'd be very surprised if they were even aware of what a 'Kiwi' was.
No surprise that the first paper to publish a contrary view to the positive reviews the film's generally received is the good old 'Grauniad' - https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmbl ... ft-me-cold

guy smiley wrote:

Stevus55 wrote:Just saw it this evening and thought it was fantastic.

I thought the scene at the start where the British soldier is let through the barricades and glared at by the French said enough about the French role in the whole thing. Subtle but effective IMO.

Where they were defending as the Brits retreated?

Hellraiser wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ritain-eec

Mick Mannock wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Stevus55 wrote:Just saw it this evening and thought it was fantastic.

I thought the scene at the start where the British soldier is let through the barricades and glared at by the French said enough about the French role in the whole thing. Subtle but effective IMO.

Where they were defending as the Brits retreated?

Brits and French retreated, yes.

La soule wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Stevus55 wrote:Just saw it this evening and thought it was fantastic.

I thought the scene at the start where the British soldier is let through the barricades and glared at by the French said enough about the French role in the whole thing. Subtle but effective IMO.

Where they were defending as the Brits retreated?

Brits and French retreated, yes.

Very nice of the Brits to let a few French on the boats indeed.

EverReady wrote:

El Homerino wrote:Why didn't Hardy eject beside a friendly boat at the end? Instead of getting captured? Couldn't get my head around that.

After he crashed into them. They would have loved him for that.

El Homerino wrote:

EverReady wrote:

El Homerino wrote:Why didn't Hardy eject beside a friendly boat at the end? Instead of getting captured? Couldn't get my head around that.

After he crashed into them. They would have loved him for that.

He was gliding with zero fuel for quite a while at the end. Sorry he could directed the plane where it would not crash into anything and then eject?

Mick Mannock wrote:

El Homerino wrote:

EverReady wrote:

El Homerino wrote:Why didn't Hardy eject beside a friendly boat at the end? Instead of getting captured? Couldn't get my head around that.

After he crashed into them. They would have loved him for that.

He was gliding with zero fuel for quite a while at the end. Sorry he could directed the plane where it would not crash into anything and then eject?

Eject? I don't think so.

La soule wrote:Ah yes. British heroism at its best.

Dying to see that.

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:Ah yes. British heroism at its best.

Dying to see that.

I think the 40 000 captured British troops who helped secure the perimeter, thus enabling the evacuation of British, French, Belgian, and Polish troops might not take kindly to your sneering.

La soule wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:Ah yes. British heroism at its best.

Dying to see that.

I think the 40 000 captured British troops who helped secure the perimeter, thus enabling the evacuation of British, French, Belgian, and Polish troops might not take kindly to your sneering.

Not quick enough to get a place on one of the boats?

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:Ah yes. British heroism at its best.

Dying to see that.

I think the 40 000 captured British troops who helped secure the perimeter, thus enabling the evacuation of British, French, Belgian, and Polish troops might not take kindly to your sneering.

Not quick enough to get a place on one of the boats?

120 000 French were.

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

La soule wrote:Ah yes. British heroism at its best.

Dying to see that.

I think the 40 000 captured British troops who helped secure the perimeter, thus enabling the evacuation of British, French, Belgian, and Polish troops might not take kindly to your sneering.

Not quick enough to get a place on one of the boats?

120 000 French were.

Mahoney wrote:97-98% of the 100,000+ French troops evacuated were, quite reasonably, repatriated after France surrendered and so ceased to be combatants. From a purely practicaly perspective it made sense to prioritise British & Commonwealth troops.

Mahoney wrote:How would anyone know? You'd have to be a comprehensive arsehole to presume to criticise people making tougher decisions than the vast, vast majority of us have ever had to make.

bimboman wrote:

Mahoney wrote:97-98% of the 100,000+ French troops evacuated were, quite reasonably, repatriated after France surrendered and so ceased to be combatants. From a purely practicaly perspective it made sense to prioritise British & Commonwealth troops.

Did they go back and form the resistance movement ?