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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Chuckles being schooled on metal sub-genres by one dude from Wadestown, and one from Invers.

Sweet. 8)
You have fuck all notion what "being schooled" in this context looks like.

Early Deftones, certainly up until the self-titled album, was very nu-metal. They didn't go as hard on the rap angle, but in every other respect they were classic examples. If KoRn and LP can both be said to be part of the same subgenre then there's no particularly good argument for excluding Deftones, except if you define nu-metal as "shit" and don't think Deftones are shit. If you are defining a subgenre on the basis of whether or not you like the music, then you are not defining it at all
:lol:

I don't have a clue what you are talking about. It is all complete garbage.
Oh God, I agree with Seneca... :(
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Seneca of the Night wrote: Look at me
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SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
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Wankers. And I'm not talking about Linkin Park.
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Seneca of the Night wrote: I never thought Def Leppard were anything but utter shit. From start to finish.

I clearly missed out on something.

Having said that, I was in the mighty Southern Cross one night in 1989, eighteen sheets to the wind on Tui tall boys and some serious smoke, and 'I was made for loving you' by Kiss was streaming out of the 'juke box' and it was pretty fcking good indeed.
As do many.....but hey ho.....
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Slim 293 wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
:thumbup:
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Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raises a good question. What is the apotheosis of hair metal? Van Halen? I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do recall being in a bar in Lambton Quay in 1989, stoned, and amidst the silver steel balustrades and purple / pink carpet "janie's got a gun' struck me as the most perfect song ever. And that Cher track where she struts around on the USS New Jersey was not far behind.

Late Reaganism.

Christ alone knows what eight years of bubblefart might bequeath the cultural landscape.
Unquestionably Poison or Motley Crue. I would say Poison due to the pure talentlessness. It was quite punk in that regard. Van Halen were more than hair metal. And less.

The thing about Hair Metal was that it arose in about 3 bars on the Sunset Strip to briefly rule the world. But it actually only ever existed in those 3 bars.
Poison are unquestionably awesome. What category do Warrant fall into?
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Slim 293 wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
Ah yeah they did some good stuff.
It just annoys me when they top greatest band lists or when EVH get credited for "inventing" something that he didn't
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Slim 293 wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
And 1984... every tune is a cracker on it!
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DragonKhan wrote:
Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raises a good question. What is the apotheosis of hair metal? Van Halen? I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do recall being in a bar in Lambton Quay in 1989, stoned, and amidst the silver steel balustrades and purple / pink carpet "janie's got a gun' struck me as the most perfect song ever. And that Cher track where she struts around on the USS New Jersey was not far behind.

Late Reaganism.

Christ alone knows what eight years of bubblefart might bequeath the cultural landscape.
Unquestionably Poison or Motley Crue. I would say Poison due to the pure talentlessness. It was quite punk in that regard. Van Halen were more than hair metal. And less.

The thing about Hair Metal was that it arose in about 3 bars on the Sunset Strip to briefly rule the world. But it actually only ever existed in those 3 bars.
Poison are unquestionably awesome. What category do Warrant fall into?
Hair MEtal, Fluff Metal, Soft Metal, Hair Rock......take your pick.
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"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
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Always thought this was a definitive hair metal song, only to find they have a distinct lack of said hair...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gLyAUFKoX4
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deadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway

It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bands
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mr bungle wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
Tbf, like it or not, and I certainly don't, they were chucked in with that genre by plenty of scribes with their first few albums. They were pretty much the only shining light that had any respect from those outside the 'genre'.
I'm aware. I just don't agree as it's patently a function of timing as opposed to musical style.
Not just, Adrenaline had plenty of hallmarks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwCGSjwq4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEVik1nJb68
Inasmuch as the stones have hallmarks of blues I suppose ;)
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The apotheosis of hair metal is clearly Steel Panther
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Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
Nah - early Pantera were glam metal.....which I guess would be hair metal.....so I guess Glam Metal is more apt when describing bands like Poison, Whitesnake etc
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DragonKhan wrote:
Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raises a good question. What is the apotheosis of hair metal? Van Halen? I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do recall being in a bar in Lambton Quay in 1989, stoned, and amidst the silver steel balustrades and purple / pink carpet "janie's got a gun' struck me as the most perfect song ever. And that Cher track where she struts around on the USS New Jersey was not far behind.

Late Reaganism.

Christ alone knows what eight years of bubblefart might bequeath the cultural landscape.
Unquestionably Poison or Motley Crue. I would say Poison due to the pure talentlessness. It was quite punk in that regard. Van Halen were more than hair metal. And less.

The thing about Hair Metal was that it arose in about 3 bars on the Sunset Strip to briefly rule the world. But it actually only ever existed in those 3 bars.
Poison are unquestionably awesome. What category do Warrant fall into?
Second tier. With Ratt, Cinderella and Winger.
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SASP wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
Ah yeah they did some good stuff.
It just annoys me when they top greatest band lists or when EVH get credited for "inventing" something that he didn't
Personally, I will take Adrian Belew's guitar wizardry over EVH any day... far better resume too.
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SASP wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Fair Warning is a great album though...
Ah yeah they did some good stuff.
It just annoys me when they top greatest band lists or when EVH get credited for "inventing" something that he didn't
He invented the solo on Beat It.
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weird freak Belgian stalker in the perimeter.

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Good chorus, I can work with this.
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Gazzamonster wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
Nah - early Pantera were glam metal.....which I guess would be hair metal.....so I guess Glam Metal is more apt when describing bands like Poison, Whitesnake etc
Generally "glam" and "hair" metal are terms used interchangeably.
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Demilich wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
Nah - early Pantera were glam metal.....which I guess would be hair metal.....so I guess Glam Metal is more apt when describing bands like Poison, Whitesnake etc
Generally "glam" and "hair" metal are terms used interchangeably.
I wonder if Hair Metal bands go through a glam metal phase?
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Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Except for 'Why Can't This Be Love'.....which might rank as one of the greatest 80's rock songs ever.
Hagar Halen? GTFO :x

Not much of a fan of DLR VH either, but Hagar is the pits.
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Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0

I would have thought Cold Lake by Celtic Frost was the true low point given it represented the devolution of a great band. At least Pantera started out crap and got better.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:The apotheosis of hair metal is clearly Steel Panther
Saw them at Download - they try way too hard to be funny and have no nuance at all
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mr bungle wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:Van Halen were overrated.
Except for 'Why Can't This Be Love'.....which might rank as one of the greatest 80's rock songs ever.
Hagar Halen? GTFO :x

Not much of a fan of DLR VH either, but Hagar is the pits.
But....but.....but......it has a wooooooooo in the lyrics and many shots of Hagar jumping off things in the video.
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Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raises a good question. What is the apotheosis of hair metal? Van Halen? I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do recall being in a bar in Lambton Quay in 1989, stoned, and amidst the silver steel balustrades and purple / pink carpet "janie's got a gun' struck me as the most perfect song ever.

Late Reaganism.
Aerosmith, not VH.
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Gazzamonster wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
Nah - early Pantera were glam metal.....which I guess would be hair metal.....so I guess Glam Metal is more apt when describing bands like Poison, Whitesnake etc
It's funny how that goes. There was a great thrash band called the Crumbsuckers. They became something like ACDC.
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DragonKhan wrote:
Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raises a good question. What is the apotheosis of hair metal? Van Halen? I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I do recall being in a bar in Lambton Quay in 1989, stoned, and amidst the silver steel balustrades and purple / pink carpet "janie's got a gun' struck me as the most perfect song ever. And that Cher track where she struts around on the USS New Jersey was not far behind.

Late Reaganism.

Christ alone knows what eight years of bubblefart might bequeath the cultural landscape.
Unquestionably Poison or Motley Crue. I would say Poison due to the pure talentlessness. It was quite punk in that regard. Van Halen were more than hair metal. And less.

The thing about Hair Metal was that it arose in about 3 bars on the Sunset Strip to briefly rule the world. But it actually only ever existed in those 3 bars.
Poison are unquestionably awesome. What category do Warrant fall into?
Warrant fall under the category "Metal As Fukk"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URIv4kdnBGk
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SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
That doesn't hold any weight, as much as Brooks sucks shit. I'd rather listen to Tiffany than Limp Bizkit.
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I think we can all agree though that Spinal Tap were quality.
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Hellraiser wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0

I would have thought Cold Lake by Celtic Frost was the true low point given it represented the devolution of a great band. At least Pantera started out crap and got better.
Didn't the singer get death threats about that album?
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Hellraiser wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0

I would have thought Cold Lake by Celtic Frost was the true low point given it represented the devolution of a great band. At least Pantera started out crap and got better.
We have discussed this. Celtic Frost ceased to exist in 1987. No more discussion accepted.
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Without wanting to take away from what this thread is about ... Van Halen are grossly miscatergirized as Hair Metal.
Van Halen were completely original, with a wide range of listening habits that influenced them ... it was the imitators that defined what a hair band was.

Eddie Van Halen revolutionised the electric guitar like no one since Hendrix and no one since. David Lee Roth redefined what it was to be a showman and front man. Alex Van Halen was a unique drummer with his own groove, double bass kick and snare snap. Their influence reach way beyond the LA club scene.
They are, in my opinion Americas greatest rock and roll band ever.

Th Bon Jovis, Def Leopards, Motely Crues etc that followed were guilty of some of the worst lyrical felonies in music history.
Van Halen sang about hot rods, hot chicks and catching sexual diseases cause they lived it. Their first six albums from 78 - 84 contain some of the greatest riffs and rock music ever commuted to vinyl. They redefine rock but arguably spawned many poor imitators.

RIP Chester. I really liked that song LP did for the first Transformers movie.
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SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.

yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)
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I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
Demilich wrote:"Mallcore" was a much better genre moniker than "nu-metal". It had much more to do with hanging out at the mall than it did metal. :P

I think the early Pantera has to be up there with the low point in "hair metal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8VxyDSmK0
Nah - early Pantera were glam metal.....which I guess would be hair metal.....so I guess Glam Metal is more apt when describing bands like Poison, Whitesnake etc
It's funny how that goes. There was a great thrash band called the Crumbsuckers. They became something like ACDC.
My brother was in a band called Skinshed.

They became nothing like ACDC.
Having listened to some of their tracks, perhaps they should have...
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