Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:16 pm

vh5150 wrote:Without wanting to take away from what this thread is about ... Van Halen are grossly miscatergirized as Hair Metal.
Van Halen were completely original, with a wide range of listening habits that influenced them ... it was the imitators that defined what a hair band was.

Eddie Van Halen revolutionised the electric guitar like no one since Hendrix and no one since. David Lee Roth redefined what it was to be a showman and front man. Alex Van Halen was a unique drummer with his own groove, double bass kick and snare snap. Their influence reach way beyond the LA club scene.
They are, in my opinion Americas greatest rock and roll band ever.

Th Bon Jovis, Def Leopards, Motely Crues etc that followed were guilty of some of the worst lyrical felonies in music history.
Van Halen sang about hot rods, hot chicks and catching sexual diseases cause they lived it. Their first six albums from 78 - 84 contain some of the greatest riffs and rock music ever commuted to vinyl. They redefine rock but arguably spawned many poor imitators.

RIP Chester. I really liked that song LP did for the first Transformers movie.

Hmmmmm....not sure about David Lee Roth redefining the role of the front man.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:17 pm

SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?

Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:19 pm

Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.

I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.

tabascoboy · Post by **tabascoboy** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:21 pm

SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?

Brought the hammer on/pull off tapping style into the mainstream. He was very far from the first to use it though either in rock or other genres.

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:21 pm

RuggaBugga wrote:
SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.

yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)

I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.

War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:21 pm

SASP wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.
I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.

Probably cause Eddie had already done it.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:23 pm

RuggaBugga wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.

yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)

I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.

War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.

Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:23 pm

Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.
I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.
Probably cause Eddie had already done it.

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:27 pm

SASP wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.

yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)

I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.

War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.
Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.

old-metal

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:28 pm

SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?

In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.

......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.

deadduck · Post by **deadduck** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:29 pm

alliswell wrote:
deadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway

It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bands

The label is way too broad to be of any use

Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:30 pm

RuggaBugga wrote:
SASP wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.

Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.

See how you feel.
I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.

yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)

I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.

War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.
Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.
old-metal

Used to pin a girl from high school with Master of Reality often as the soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmV8niW5GXs

La soule · Post by **La soule** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:30 pm

Original nu metal?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ofr0pNGF4

DragonKhan · Post by **DragonKhan** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:31 pm

David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible

DragonKhan · Post by **DragonKhan** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:31 pm

deadduck wrote:
alliswell wrote:
deadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway

It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bands
The label is way too broad to be of any use

Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense

Lumped together due to similar image and time period of popularity intersecting really

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:32 pm

vh5150 wrote:
SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.

......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.

I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:33 pm

DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible

And Brian May all over EVH

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:33 pm

DragonKhan wrote:
deadduck wrote:
alliswell wrote:
deadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway

It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bands
The label is way too broad to be of any use

Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense
Lumped together due to similar image and time period of popularity intersecting really

Shitty is a genre that springs to mind.

tabascoboy · Post by **tabascoboy** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:34 pm

mr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.

You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on you

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:34 pm

Gazzamonster wrote:
vh5150 wrote:Without wanting to take away from what this thread is about ... Van Halen are grossly miscatergirized as Hair Metal.
Van Halen were completely original, with a wide range of listening habits that influenced them ... it was the imitators that defined what a hair band was.

Eddie Van Halen revolutionised the electric guitar like no one since Hendrix and no one since. David Lee Roth redefined what it was to be a showman and front man. Alex Van Halen was a unique drummer with his own groove, double bass kick and snare snap. Their influence reach way beyond the LA club scene.
They are, in my opinion Americas greatest rock and roll band ever.

Th Bon Jovis, Def Leopards, Motely Crues etc that followed were guilty of some of the worst lyrical felonies in music history.
Van Halen sang about hot rods, hot chicks and catching sexual diseases cause they lived it. Their first six albums from 78 - 84 contain some of the greatest riffs and rock music ever commuted to vinyl. They redefine rock but arguably spawned many poor imitators.

RIP Chester. I really liked that song LP did for the first Transformers movie.
Hmmmmm....not sure about David Lee Roth redefining the role of the front man.

Probably more aerobically ......

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:36 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:
They were probably the worst band in all of history, although I've just remembered they did support Fugazi once.

Tis' true

Fugazi Live Series FLS0622
Fugazi
Wellington, New Zealand 12/10/93
Buy Digital $5

Show Date:
1993-12-10
Venue:
Student Union
Attendance:
1000
Played with:
Skinshed
Recorded by
Joey Picuri
Mastered by
Warren Russell-Smith
Original Source:
Cassette
Sound Quality:
Poor Good Very Good Excellent

I saw Fugazi play a small room in Dunedin on their next NZ tour in 97. Great!

Give your bro a high five from me.

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:36 pm

DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible

Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:37 pm

tabascoboy wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on you

I do have a thing for the sexy melodic break in Panama.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:38 pm

vh5150 wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.

Freddie was both and more.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:39 pm

I have a mate who reckoned Liam Gallagher is the greatest frontman of all time.

I think we can all agree my mate deserved a punch.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:39 pm

vh5150 wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.

????

Freddie was pure entertainer. No one could interact with a crowd like him. Not even the same ball park.

Demilich · Post by **Demilich** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:41 pm

tabascoboy wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on you

Pfffft... that song's just a poor man's "Teacher's Pet"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwTQxOoldo

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:41 pm

mr bungle wrote:
vh5150 wrote:
SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.

......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.

Not to my ears. You can critique Eddie for starting the guitar shred movement but he was nothing like that. Very melodic, drop dead timing, perfect pitch and soul tone and probably the most powerful right hand in rock (sorry Malcom Young). But we all have our own views. Personally I class early Van Halen right up there. Eddie wrote some unforgettable music.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:41 pm

Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...

Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:42 pm

Demilich wrote:
tabascoboy wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on you

Pfffft... that song's just a poor man's "Teacher's Pet"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwTQxOoldo

Which is just trying to copy 'What I Go To School For'

Busted - What I Go To School For

ahem.

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:44 pm

SASP wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
And Brian May all over EVH

Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:44 pm

vh5150 wrote:
Not to my ears. You can critique Eddie for starting the guitar shred movement but he was nothing like that. Very melodic, drop dead timing, perfect pitch and soul tone and probably the most powerful right hand in rock (sorry Malcom Young). But we all have our own views. Personally I class early Van Halen right up there. Eddie wrote some unforgettable music.

No musicians in the varied styles I listen to ever claimed them as an influence, and I don't think it was due to being too cool to mention. They just don't register.

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:45 pm

mr bungle wrote:
vh5150 wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.
Freddie was both and more.

Yes indeed.

Santa · Post by **Santa** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:46 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
They were probably the worst band in all of history, although I've just remembered they did support Fugazi once.

Tis' true

Fugazi Live Series FLS0622
Fugazi
Wellington, New Zealand 12/10/93
Buy Digital $5

Show Date:
1993-12-10
Venue:
Student Union
Attendance:
1000
Played with:
Skinshed
Recorded by
Joey Picuri
Mastered by
Warren Russell-Smith
Original Source:
Cassette
Sound Quality:
Poor Good Very Good Excellent
I saw Fugazi play a small room in Dunedin on their next NZ tour in 97. Great!

Give your bro a high five from me.
I know a lot of people on here think I just make shit up, but 'tis not true.

I was in a band. A bass player with a keen line in sweet harmonied backing vocals. Anyway I was in that band and I met a woman, let's call her Yoko Ono, who stole me away from said band just before we were to play support for Deep Purple.

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:48 pm

mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...

Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk

That's Hal Blaine on drums.

Santa · Post by **Santa** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:48 pm

I give you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtnCcWOS7y8

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:49 pm

mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...

Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk

That's Hal Blaine on drums.

Post by **SASP** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:53 pm

vh5150 wrote:
SASP wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
And Brian May all over EVH
Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.

I wasn't being totally serious. EVH was good but just not one of my favorites.

Also I'll let you away with the powerful right hand comment as Tony Iommi is left handed.

vh5150 · Post by **vh5150** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:55 pm

SASP wrote:
vh5150 wrote:
SASP wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.

Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
And Brian May all over EVH
Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.
I wasn't being totally serious. EVH was good but just not one of my favorites.

Also I'll let you away with the strongest right hand comment as Tony Iommi is left handed.

Another great mate of Eddies. Van Halen opened for Sabath in 78. Some outrageous Road stories of Roth and Ozzy on that tour.

mr bungle · Post by **mr bungle** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:58 pm

vh5150 wrote:
mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...

Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk
That's Hal Blaine on drums.

Yes, it's DLR solo.