Hmmmmm....not sure about David Lee Roth redefining the role of the front man.vh5150 wrote:Without wanting to take away from what this thread is about ... Van Halen are grossly miscatergirized as Hair Metal.
Van Halen were completely original, with a wide range of listening habits that influenced them ... it was the imitators that defined what a hair band was.
Eddie Van Halen revolutionised the electric guitar like no one since Hendrix and no one since. David Lee Roth redefined what it was to be a showman and front man. Alex Van Halen was a unique drummer with his own groove, double bass kick and snare snap. Their influence reach way beyond the LA club scene.
They are, in my opinion Americas greatest rock and roll band ever.
Th Bon Jovis, Def Leopards, Motely Crues etc that followed were guilty of some of the worst lyrical felonies in music history.
Van Halen sang about hot rods, hot chicks and catching sexual diseases cause they lived it. Their first six albums from 78 - 84 contain some of the greatest riffs and rock music ever commuted to vinyl. They redefine rock but arguably spawned many poor imitators.
RIP Chester. I really liked that song LP did for the first Transformers movie.
Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
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Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.Gazzamonster wrote:Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?

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Brought the hammer on/pull off tapping style into the mainstream. He was very far from the first to use it though either in rock or other genres.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
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I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.RuggaBugga wrote:I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.
Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.
See how you feel.
yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)
War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.
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Probably cause Eddie had already done it.SASP wrote:I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.Gazzamonster wrote:Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.RuggaBugga wrote:I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.RuggaBugga wrote:I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.
Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.
See how you feel.
yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)
War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Gazzamonster wrote:Probably cause Eddie had already done it.SASP wrote:I once used a chisel as a plectrum, no one thought I was a genius.Gazzamonster wrote:Played it with a drill and a cello bow innit.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?




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Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
old-metalSASP wrote:Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.RuggaBugga wrote:I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.RuggaBugga wrote:I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.
Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.
See how you feel.
yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)
War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.

Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
The label is way too broad to be of any usealliswell wrote:I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bandsdeadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway
It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Used to pin a girl from high school with Master of Reality often as the soundtrack.RuggaBugga wrote:old-metalSASP wrote:Hat tip to the choice or rebound song.RuggaBugga wrote:I listened to the first three tracks of the greatest hits. Excruciating.RuggaBugga wrote:I've never listened to Garth before. I shall try and report back.SASP wrote:Right lads, this is all getting very technical.
Listen to some Garth Brooks then come back and listen to any form of Metal.
See how you feel.
yes I'm drunk (and alone...sob)
War Pigs is now cleansing my soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmV8niW5GXs

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David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
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Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Lumped together due to similar image and time period of popularity intersecting reallydeadduck wrote:The label is way too broad to be of any usealliswell wrote:I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bandsdeadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway
It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.vh5150 wrote:In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
And Brian May all over EVHDragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Shitty is a genre that springs to mind.DragonKhan wrote:Lumped together due to similar image and time period of popularity intersecting reallydeadduck wrote:The label is way too broad to be of any usealliswell wrote:I'm sure it could be argued but I don't see how. It was applied to a very specific sort of music on the go at the time and wasn't applied to all alternative metal bandsdeadduck wrote:I'd argue that nu metal doesn't really exist anyway
It was just a catch-all term for alternative metal bands emergent in the 2000s
Trying to lump the likes of Incubus, Linkin Park, Korn and Limp Bizkit together is nonsense
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Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on youmr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.

Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Probably more aerobically ......Gazzamonster wrote:Hmmmmm....not sure about David Lee Roth redefining the role of the front man.vh5150 wrote:Without wanting to take away from what this thread is about ... Van Halen are grossly miscatergirized as Hair Metal.
Van Halen were completely original, with a wide range of listening habits that influenced them ... it was the imitators that defined what a hair band was.
Eddie Van Halen revolutionised the electric guitar like no one since Hendrix and no one since. David Lee Roth redefined what it was to be a showman and front man. Alex Van Halen was a unique drummer with his own groove, double bass kick and snare snap. Their influence reach way beyond the LA club scene.
They are, in my opinion Americas greatest rock and roll band ever.
Th Bon Jovis, Def Leopards, Motely Crues etc that followed were guilty of some of the worst lyrical felonies in music history.
Van Halen sang about hot rods, hot chicks and catching sexual diseases cause they lived it. Their first six albums from 78 - 84 contain some of the greatest riffs and rock music ever commuted to vinyl. They redefine rock but arguably spawned many poor imitators.
RIP Chester. I really liked that song LP did for the first Transformers movie.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Tis' trueSeneca of the Night wrote:
They were probably the worst band in all of history, although I've just remembered they did support Fugazi once.
I saw Fugazi play a small room in Dunedin on their next NZ tour in 97. Great!Fugazi Live Series FLS0622
Fugazi
Wellington, New Zealand 12/10/93
Buy Digital $5
Show Date:
1993-12-10
Venue:
Student Union
Attendance:
1000
Played with:
Skinshed
Recorded by
Joey Picuri
Mastered by
Warren Russell-Smith
Original Source:
Cassette
Sound Quality:
Poor Good Very Good Excellent
Give your bro a high five from me.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I do have a thing for the sexy melodic break in Panama.tabascoboy wrote:You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on youmr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Freddie was both and more.vh5150 wrote:Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I have a mate who reckoned Liam Gallagher is the greatest frontman of all time.
I think we can all agree my mate deserved a punch.
I think we can all agree my mate deserved a punch.
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????vh5150 wrote:Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Freddie was pure entertainer. No one could interact with a crowd like him. Not even the same ball park.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
tabascoboy wrote:You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on youmr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
Pfffft... that song's just a poor man's "Teacher's Pet"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwTQxOoldo
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Not to my ears. You can critique Eddie for starting the guitar shred movement but he was nothing like that. Very melodic, drop dead timing, perfect pitch and soul tone and probably the most powerful right hand in rock (sorry Malcom Young). But we all have our own views. Personally I class early Van Halen right up there. Eddie wrote some unforgettable music.mr bungle wrote:I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.vh5150 wrote:In many ways. Took a number of early techniques that others had toyed with, packaged them into one unique style and after recording "Eruption" sent millions of kids and established musicians to their bedrooms to try and figure what he had done. Popularised it all to the masses. Arguably one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. But because he was a young kid from sunny California and in a band with a "singer" who was as much a stage clown as an artist it was all at odds with being classified as a serious muso.SASP wrote:I'm probably going to regret this but, how did EVH revolutionize the electric guitar?
......and then there was the inventing, tone chasing, hot rodding and tinkering and collaboration he did with the equipment and manufacturers of the day.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...
Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk
Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk
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Which is just trying to copy 'What I Go To School For'Demilich wrote:tabascoboy wrote:You don't think 'Hot for Teacher' is a great song? Shame on youmr bungle wrote:
I do respect him but I would add that for all the guitar olympian hystrionics they just didn't write great songs. It was all very straight rock, albeit with the ripped off swagger cock rock of Plant and an overlay of guitar wankery. Just misses the mark.
Pfffft... that song's just a poor man's "Teacher's Pet"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwTQxOoldo
Busted - What I Go To School For
ahem.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.SASP wrote:And Brian May all over EVHDragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
No musicians in the varied styles I listen to ever claimed them as an influence, and I don't think it was due to being too cool to mention. They just don't register.vh5150 wrote:
Not to my ears. You can critique Eddie for starting the guitar shred movement but he was nothing like that. Very melodic, drop dead timing, perfect pitch and soul tone and probably the most powerful right hand in rock (sorry Malcom Young). But we all have our own views. Personally I class early Van Halen right up there. Eddie wrote some unforgettable music.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Yes indeed.mr bungle wrote:Freddie was both and more.vh5150 wrote:Yep Freddie would be my number one. Wonderful singer. But Roth knew how to work a crowd just as well. Freddie was an artist. Roth was an entertainer.DragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I was in a band. A bass player with a keen line in sweet harmonied backing vocals. Anyway I was in that band and I met a woman, let's call her Yoko Ono, who stole me away from said band just before we were to play support for Deep Purple.Seneca of the Night wrote:I know a lot of people on here think I just make shit up, but 'tis not true.mr bungle wrote:Tis' trueSeneca of the Night wrote:
They were probably the worst band in all of history, although I've just remembered they did support Fugazi once.
I saw Fugazi play a small room in Dunedin on their next NZ tour in 97. Great!Fugazi Live Series FLS0622
Fugazi
Wellington, New Zealand 12/10/93
Buy Digital $5
Show Date:
1993-12-10
Venue:
Student Union
Attendance:
1000
Played with:
Skinshed
Recorded by
Joey Picuri
Mastered by
Warren Russell-Smith
Original Source:
Cassette
Sound Quality:
Poor Good Very Good Excellent
Give your bro a high five from me.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
That's Hal Blaine on drums.mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...
Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
That's Hal Blaine on drums.mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...
Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
I wasn't being totally serious. EVH was good but just not one of my favorites.vh5150 wrote:Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.SASP wrote:And Brian May all over EVHDragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Also I'll let you away with the powerful right hand comment as Tony Iommi is left handed.
Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
SASP wrote:I wasn't being totally serious. EVH was good but just not one of my favorites.vh5150 wrote:Love Brian May .. an original...and a great friend of Eddies. Brian idolises him. Personally I think David Gilmour is the greatest British rock guitarist. Clapton was great in the 60's but once he stopped heroin and booze he was very bland.SASP wrote:And Brian May all over EVHDragonKhan wrote:David Lee Roth was a good showman and a crap singer live.
Revolutionary my arse
Freddy Mercury pissed all over him every way possible
Also I'll let you away with the strongest right hand comment as Tony Iommi is left handed.

Re: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park hangs himself age 41
Yes, it's DLR solo.vh5150 wrote:That's Hal Blaine on drums.mr bungle wrote:Behold the greatest musical entertainer of all time...
Alex Van Halen double kick, snare snap drum roll please... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMoLENWsSk