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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 8cdecb2c54

Surely can't be a Mungo with their admins reputation for having being corrupt and having their snouts firmly in the trough and in fact this White has two strikes against him being an erstwhile Queensland Cop too.

Another mentioned, Phil Kearns, is a nice bloke but a bit of a dribbler.

Finally the worst suggestion, a Kiwi Mungo:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ill-pulver
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Pulvers replacement.........the poisoned chalice.

Will there be any applicants? The shitfight is only kicking off........

The job would shorten anyones life expectancy by 40 years.
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Since the main source of quality sports administration expertise these days seems to come via the Wellington-Gold Coast Facebook pipeline, I'd say let's start there.
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I see Greg Harris is being mentioned :uhoh:
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Someone like David Gallop would be ideal, but he wouldn't leave FA to head up a basket-case organisation like the ARU.
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Bill Pulver is a fcken clown. Anyone could do better than him
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The bored as a collective should apply for it .... the board meetings would be epic and face it, couldn't really do worse than the current lot.
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shanky wrote:Bill Pulver is a fcken clown. Anyone could do better than him
He just implemented what the delegates wanted him to do at the most recent EGM, to cull one of the SR teams. You have a problem with him implementing the will of the key Australian stakeholders?
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Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port
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Ali's Choice wrote:
shanky wrote:Bill Pulver is a fcken clown. Anyone could do better than him
He just implemented what the delegates wanted him to do at the most recent EGM, to cull one of the SR teams. You have a problem with him implementing the will of the key Australian stakeholders?
You clearly know nothing about how Boards work
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They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port
along with offshoring, outsourcing and cutting jobs.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
shanky wrote:Bill Pulver is a fcken clown. Anyone could do better than him
He just implemented what the delegates wanted him to do at the most recent EGM, to cull one of the SR teams. You have a problem with him implementing the will of the key Australian stakeholders?
Put your hat in the China. Your vast loige admin experience and MVP titles would make you a contender
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shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port

I dunno. How about Gail Kelly? She would be brilliant.
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How about David Moffett?
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Lets hope it ends up being Geoff Stooke
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I would like to nominate this chicken. Granted it isn't quite headless yet, but allow it some time to get it's feet under the desk.
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wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port

I dunno. How about Gail Kelly? She would be brilliant.

Another banker

My view is that you need someone with runs on the board in sports administration. Someone who has taken something minor and turned it, the hard way, into something major.

Someone from outside the GPS scene. Someone separated from the politics. Someone from overseas even.
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shanky wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port

I dunno. How about Gail Kelly? She would be brilliant.

Another banker

My view is that you need someone with runs on the board in sports administration. Someone who has taken something minor and turned it, the hard way, into something major.

Someone from outside the GPS scene. Someone separated from the politics. Someone from overseas even.
Give us some names then. Some realistic options, not fantasy options. You've spent ages crying about Bill Pulver, surely you've had enough time to think of some suitable alternatives?
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blackblackblack wrote:I would like to nominate this chicken. Granted it isn't quite headless yet, but allow it some time to get it's feet under the desk.
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wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port

I dunno. How about Gail Kelly? She would be brilliant.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
shanky wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port

I dunno. How about Gail Kelly? She would be brilliant.

Another banker

My view is that you need someone with runs on the board in sports administration. Someone who has taken something minor and turned it, the hard way, into something major.

Someone from outside the GPS scene. Someone separated from the politics. Someone from overseas even.
Give us some names then. Some realistic options, not fantasy options. You've spent ages crying about Bill Pulver, surely you've had enough time to think of some suitable alternatives?
Why do I need to do that?

Appoint a search team. Go get some quailty names. Don't just do what they always do and pick the nearest person.
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shanky wrote:Why do I need to do that?
Of course you don't need to.

I just find people who spend all their time complaining about a problem, but who are never capable of offering any solutions to said problem, rather pathetic.
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The ARU is starting to remind me of that line about people going bankrupt slowly at first then very quickly.
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Gail Kelly is from overseas. She was born in Seth Africa. She started life as a schoolteacher, then moved across to work as a bank teller. In other words, she started from the very bottom rung in banking.


She comes across as very grounded, highly intelligent, and balanced. She would make a brilliant Chairperson, if she was willing to take it on.


Mind you, I thought the same about Peter Cosgrove, and he was pretty invisible.
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Why would anyone want a banker involved in anything? Jesus
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Dumbledore wrote:Why would anyone want a banker involved in anything? Jesus
Particularly a banker who thinks there's no need for extra government oversight into the Australian banking industry.

Perfect for the ARU.
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wamberal99 wrote:Gail Kelly is from overseas. She was born in Seth Africa. She started life as a schoolteacher, then moved across to work as a bank teller. In other words, she started from the very bottom rung in banking.


She comes across as very grounded, highly intelligent, and balanced. She would make a brilliant Chairperson, if she was willing to take it on.


Mind you, I thought the same about Peter Cosgrove, and he was pretty invisible.
I think you need someone who has a proven track record in Australian sports administration. Kelly has had a great career, but the Australian sports context is fairly unique.

I'll put up some names that could be realistic options; Andrew Fagan, Paul White, Dave Donaghy and if they wanted to think of someone from outside Australia which is not something that I would advise, Hamish Riach. All individuals who are probably earning less now than what the ARU would be offering.
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Martin Snedden? Believe he had some success in sports admin and don't think he's doing anything of note at the moment.
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And on the subject of Pulver. Let's examine why I'm supposedly 'crying about him'.

The Board can only vote on what's put in front of them. They meet once a month, they're not inside the organisation all the time. They have no real capacity to come up with different options.

A proper set of options and risk analysis is the job of the Executive (aka the CEO and his team). Anyone who thinks Pulver wasn't controlling the debate, steering the agenda - is sadly naive.

Let's go back a couple of years when they were talking up the expansion to 18 teams. Pulver was clearly seduced by the idea of a sweet new TV deal.
At the time, people were warning of the potential damage to our local brand, the loss of local derbies, the matches being played in non-friendly timeslots, the effect on the viewing public and the quality of the rugby.

All this was brushed aside in pursuit of the fool's gold.

Soon after the deal was signed, Pulver was trumpeting that he'd finagled an even better deal, preferring to remain silent on the fact that, since the deal was priced in US$, the improvement had come about solely due to FX movement in the A$ in the time between announcement and completion.

So yes, the money was the main thing he focussed on. He was presumably tired of laying of IT staff to cut costs and saw this as a good thing


However, there was no adequate review of the risks. Even leaving aside the dangers to the 'product', they would have known about the parlous state of the finances of the member unions and they should have known what the tolerances were surrounding any potential dips in gate or sponsor revenues.

All this should have been assessed properly. But is wasn't.

Why can I say this? Easy. Because anytime something like this goes wrong within a year of starting (rather than say, 3-5 years), then it was clearly a foreseeable event. A foreseeable fvck up is, was, and always will be, a fault of management, not bad luck.

Having made this foreseeable, tragic error, they then compound it by knee-jerking into the next one (cutting teams).

That is why Pulver is a clown and an incompetent, IMO.

Clyne's job is the represent the interests of the shareholders (the unions). He did not do a good enough job of that. He let Pulver sign that ridiculous travesty of a deal that has done irreperable harm to the unions and the game.

And that's why Clyne needs to go as well.

/rant
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Wignu wrote:Martin Snedden? Believe he had some success in sports admin and don't think he's doing anything of note at the moment.
Deans coaching then Snedden running the show, the little battlers would choke on their cornflakes. M8.
Stick with the Chook, best suited to the role.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
shanky wrote:Why do I need to do that?
Of course you don't need to.

I just find people who spend all their time complaining about a problem, but who are never capable of offering any solutions to said problem, rather pathetic.
So, me nominating someone off the top of my head is more valid than conducting a proper search for fresh candidates?

You're an idiot.
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shanky wrote:And on the subject of Pulver. Let's examine why I'm supposedly 'crying about him'.

The Board can only vote on what's put in front of them. They meet once a month, they're not inside the organisation all the time. They have no real capacity to come up with different options.

A proper set of options and risk analysis is the job of the Executive (aka the CEO and his team). Anyone who thinks Pulver wasn't controlling the debate, steering the agenda - is sadly naive.

Let's go back a couple of years when they were talking up the expansion to 18 teams. Pulver was clearly seduced by the idea of a sweet new TV deal.
At the time, people were warning of the potential damage to our local brand, the loss of local derbies, the matches being played in non-friendly timeslots, the effect on the viewing public and the quality of the rugby.

All this was brushed aside in pursuit of the fool's gold.

Soon after the deal was signed, Pulver was trumpeting that he'd finagled an even better deal, preferring to remain silent on the fact that, since the deal was priced in US$, the improvement had come about solely due to FX movement in the A$ in the time between announcement and completion.

So yes, the money was the main thing he focussed on. He was presumably tired of laying of IT staff to cut costs and saw this as a good thing


However, there was no adequate review of the risks. Even leaving aside the dangers to the 'product', they would have known about the parlous state of the finances of the member unions and they should have known what the tolerances were surrounding any potential dips in gate or sponsor revenues.

All this should have been assessed properly. But is wasn't.

Why can I say this? Easy. Because anytime something like this goes wrong within a year of starting (rather than say, 3-5 years), then it was clearly a foreseeable event. A foreseeable fvck up is, was, and always will be, a fault of management, not bad luck.

Having made this foreseeable, tragic error, they then compound it by knee-jerking into the next one (cutting teams).

That is why Pulver is a clown and an incompetent, IMO.

Clyne's job is the represent the interests of the shareholders (the unions). He did not do a good enough job of that. He let Pulver sign that ridiculous travesty of a deal that has done irreperable harm to the unions and the game.

And that's why Clyne needs to go as well.

/rant
Spot on and they don't want any ex player either. Ex Wallabies are only interested in feathering their own nests, not looking to the future of Aussie rugby. It needs to be someone with a sports background, because that person needs to have the nous to lure back the fans. Pulver and Clyne have done a sterling job in getting rid of them wot. :yawn:
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shanky wrote:And on the subject of Pulver. Let's examine why I'm supposedly 'crying about him'.

The Board can only vote on what's put in front of them. They meet once a month, they're not inside the organisation all the time. They have no real capacity to come up with different options.

A proper set of options and risk analysis is the job of the Executive (aka the CEO and his team). Anyone who thinks Pulver wasn't controlling the debate, steering the agenda - is sadly naive.

Let's go back a couple of years when they were talking up the expansion to 18 teams. Pulver was clearly seduced by the idea of a sweet new TV deal.
At the time, people were warning of the potential damage to our local brand, the loss of local derbies, the matches being played in non-friendly timeslots, the effect on the viewing public and the quality of the rugby.

All this was brushed aside in pursuit of the fool's gold.

Soon after the deal was signed, Pulver was trumpeting that he'd finagled an even better deal, preferring to remain silent on the fact that, since the deal was priced in US$, the improvement had come about solely due to FX movement in the A$ in the time between announcement and completion.

So yes, the money was the main thing he focussed on. He was presumably tired of laying of IT staff to cut costs and saw this as a good thing


However, there was no adequate review of the risks. Even leaving aside the dangers to the 'product', they would have known about the parlous state of the finances of the member unions and they should have known what the tolerances were surrounding any potential dips in gate or sponsor revenues.

All this should have been assessed properly. But is wasn't.

Why can I say this? Easy. Because anytime something like this goes wrong within a year of starting (rather than say, 3-5 years), then it was clearly a foreseeable event. A foreseeable fvck up is, was, and always will be, a fault of management, not bad luck.

Having made this foreseeable, tragic error, they then compound it by knee-jerking into the next one (cutting teams).

That is why Pulver is a clown and an incompetent, IMO.

Clyne's job is the represent the interests of the shareholders (the unions). He did not do a good enough job of that. He let Pulver sign that ridiculous travesty of a deal that has done irreperable harm to the unions and the game.

And that's why Clyne needs to go as well.

/rant
Excellent post. Would have.to agree with that.
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The name is not material.

The content will be somehere between this

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Video evidence as to why the Chook is best suited for the role.

https://www.facebook.com/LADbible/video ... 441330256/
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shanky wrote:Good idea.

The problem starts at the top with the Chairman.

Appointing a banker to guide the business when everyone knows that bankers know sweet fckall about business. They know a lot about nudging money-making supertankers around but nothing about rescuing small, partially-holed WW2 corvettes and getting them into port
I thought JON did ok the first time no doubt helped substantially by once in a generation players and a weak ABs team for several years post 1997.
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Ian Ritchie may be tempted by the challenge.
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It's time!
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spiderzinc wrote:
shanky wrote:The Board can only vote on what's put in front of them. They meet once a month, they're not inside the organisation all the time. They have no real capacity to come up with different options.

A proper set of options and risk analysis is the job of the Executive (aka the CEO and his team).
Anyone who thinks Pulver wasn't controlling the debate, steering the agenda - is sadly naive.

Let's go back a couple of years when they were talking up the expansion to 18 teams. Pulver was clearly seduced by the idea of a sweet new TV deal ...
Excellent post. Would have.to agree with that.
Of course normally that is the case, and it began that way at the ARU - as you say when the expansion to 18 teams went ahead. So he he did steer the ship but, around 18 months ago, Pulver shat the bed. He lay in it. I even heard he had a bit of a breakdown but, either way, Bill went missing in action; he wasn't spruiking any more, in fact he wouldn't say boo to a goose. Clone stepped into the lead and got Pulver onto cleaning up the mess. Bill went back on everything he said about "not shrinking to greatness", humiliation complete. Pulver was no more than a bitch for his last year in office.
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