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Sadly, everything said about Lolver and lolClyne's mismanagement in agreeing to go to 18 teams has now been verified

Absolutely damning article here...

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Well we all knew all that but its just been reconfirmed.
ARU are accountable to know one, how true.

And the best thing they can now do is establish a proper national comp....again...its bleedingly obvious.

Then again maybe it's all a conspiracy and the ARU are doing a great job as defended resolutely by Wambers and AC.
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With her treatment of Des Hasler and key senior players Raelane Castle is doing her chances no harm.
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grievous wrote:Well we all knew all that but its just been reconfirmed.
ARU are accountable to know one, how true.

And the best thing they can now do is establish a proper national comp....again...its bleedingly obvious.

Then again maybe it's all a conspiracy and the ARU are doing a great job as defended resolutely by Wambers and AC.

Do grow up, mate.


I have simply pointed out the bleeding obvious. Firstly, rugby's problems are not all the fault of the ARU. Secondly, what was the alternative to the expansion of Super Rugby, in practical terms?


A national comp? Yeah. That'll fly. Just like the ARC. Not to mention the NRC. How are they doing?


The only conspiracy is in the minds of those who fondly believe in hypotheticals, and/or who are wise with the benefit of hindsight.
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wamberal99 wrote:
grievous wrote:Well we all knew all that but its just been reconfirmed.
ARU are accountable to know one, how true.

And the best thing they can now do is establish a proper national comp....again...its bleedingly obvious.

Then again maybe it's all a conspiracy and the ARU are doing a great job as defended resolutely by Wambers and AC.

Do grow up, mate.


I have simply pointed out the bleeding obvious. Firstly, rugby's problems are not all the fault of the ARU. Secondly, what was the alternative to the expansion of Super Rugby, in practical terms?


A national comp? Yeah. That'll fly. Just like the ARC. Not to mention the NRC. How are they doing?


The only conspiracy is in the minds of those who fondly believe in hypotheticals, and/or who are wise with the benefit of hindsight.
The NRC has had no promotion no funding no pitch to the outside world from the ARU so what chance does it have. I'm not going to try to convince you of the need for a proper national comp like every other code in the country you must think the Super comp meets all oz rugby needs.
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wamberal99 wrote:
grievous wrote:Well we all knew all that but its just been reconfirmed.
ARU are accountable to know one, how true.

And the best thing they can now do is establish a proper national comp....again...its bleedingly obvious.

Then again maybe it's all a conspiracy and the ARU are doing a great job as defended resolutely by Wambers and AC.

Do grow up, mate.


I have simply pointed out the bleeding obvious. Firstly, rugby's problems are not all the fault of the ARU. Secondly, what was the alternative to the expansion of Super Rugby, in practical terms?


A national comp? Yeah. That'll fly. Just like the ARC. Not to mention the NRC. How are they doing?


The only conspiracy is in the minds of those who fondly believe in hypotheticals, and/or who are wise with the benefit of hindsight.
Expansion was suicide

So the answer to suicide is, you know, not committing suicide
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shanky wrote:
Expansion was suicide.

Did you say so at the time?


So the answer to suicide is, you know, not committing suicide

So the answer to something that happened in the past is to avoid doing something now?
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Any time frame for a replacement? Wonder if Adelaide Crows and and long term Brumbies CEO, Andrew Fagan along with Pat Howard have been interviewed. They really should get someone that not only has had experience with rugby but also has run a sports organistation.
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wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:
Expansion was suicide.

Did you say so at the time?


So the answer to suicide is, you know, not committing suicide

So the answer to something that happened in the past is to avoid doing something now?
You're missing the point.

Leaving aside whether I was in favour of expansion (I wasn't), the point is that Pulver was the one who had access to all the data and was warned about the consequences.

Consequences that came to pass less than a year in. The incompetent idiot went for the easy money and blew up Australian professional rugby in the process.

That's the reason for my post.


And no, I don't believe they needed to cut the Force. If the NZRU can balance their books, then so can we. Wallaby top-ups are one thing we can't afford.

Oh, Genia might go overseas? Boo hoo. Give some local kid a shot instead.

Fvcked up logic and business incompetence across the board.
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Consultancy firm inform ARU that expansion to 18 teams would be a failure...

ARU agree to expansion to 18 teams...

It's a failure...

Wambers - "How were they supposed to know!?"
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Slim 293 wrote:Consultancy firm inform ARU that expansion to 18 teams would be a failure...

ARU agree to expansion to 18 teams...

It's a failure...

Wambers - "How were they supposed to know!?"
They aren't the first organisation to take a punt
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They took a punt. It failed.

Now, they get punted.

It's how the world works
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shanky wrote:They took a punt. It failed.

Now, they get punted.

It's how the world works
But they're Quality People.


Can you look these guys in the face and say they don't deserve another chance?

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_fatprop wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Consultancy firm inform ARU that expansion to 18 teams would be a failure...

ARU agree to expansion to 18 teams...

It's a failure...

Wambers - "How were they supposed to know!?"
They aren't the first organisation to take a punt
And it's probably their business model which is more alarming.
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We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.
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Zakar wrote:We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.


It would have generated three million a year. Chook food.
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wamberal99 wrote:
Zakar wrote:We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.


It would have generated three million a year. Chook food.
That's a lot of money for grassroots rugby. And I mean real grass roots, not shovelling money to Sydney Uni
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wamberal99 wrote:
Zakar wrote:We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.


It would have generated three million a year. Chook food.
Isn't that the exact cost of last year's Western Force bailout?
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fraz wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
Zakar wrote:We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.


It would have generated three million a year. Chook food.
Isn't that the exact cost of last year's Western Force bailout?
Pretty sure that's more than the current budget for the NRC, too.
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Redsfan wrote:
fraz wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
Zakar wrote:We had a sliding doors moment post 2003 that sunk us. Should have listened to the AOC and set up a future fund with the proceeds of the RWC.


It would have generated three million a year. Chook food.
Isn't that the exact cost of last year's Western Force bailout?
Pretty sure that's more than the current budget for the NRC, too.
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shanky wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
shanky wrote:
Expansion was suicide.

Did you say so at the time?


So the answer to suicide is, you know, not committing suicide

So the answer to something that happened in the past is to avoid doing something now?
You're missing the point.

Leaving aside whether I was in favour of expansion (I wasn't), the point is that Pulver was the one who had access to all the data and was warned about the consequences.

Consequences that came to pass less than a year in. The incompetent idiot went for the easy money and blew up Australian professional rugby in the process.

That's the reason for my post.


And no, I don't believe they needed to cut the Force. If the NZRU can balance their books, then so can we. Wallaby top-ups are one thing we can't afford.

Oh, Genia might go overseas? Boo hoo. Give some local kid a shot instead.

Fvcked up logic and business incompetence across the board.
Wambers won't agree with you
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God he's as bright as a darkroom :x Typical rugby in this country, jobs for the boys

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shanky wrote:And on the subject of Pulver. Let's examine why I'm supposedly 'crying about him'.

The Board can only vote on what's put in front of them. They meet once a month, they're not inside the organisation all the time. They have no real capacity to come up with different options.

A proper set of options and risk analysis is the job of the Executive (aka the CEO and his team). Anyone who thinks Pulver wasn't controlling the debate, steering the agenda - is sadly naive.

Let's go back a couple of years when they were talking up the expansion to 18 teams. Pulver was clearly seduced by the idea of a sweet new TV deal.
At the time, people were warning of the potential damage to our local brand, the loss of local derbies, the matches being played in non-friendly timeslots, the effect on the viewing public and the quality of the rugby.

All this was brushed aside in pursuit of the fool's gold.

Soon after the deal was signed, Pulver was trumpeting that he'd finagled an even better deal, preferring to remain silent on the fact that, since the deal was priced in US$, the improvement had come about solely due to FX movement in the A$ in the time between announcement and completion.

So yes, the money was the main thing he focussed on. He was presumably tired of laying of IT staff to cut costs and saw this as a good thing


However, there was no adequate review of the risks. Even leaving aside the dangers to the 'product', they would have known about the parlous state of the finances of the member unions and they should have known what the tolerances were surrounding any potential dips in gate or sponsor revenues.

All this should have been assessed properly. But is wasn't.

Why can I say this? Easy. Because anytime something like this goes wrong within a year of starting (rather than say, 3-5 years), then it was clearly a foreseeable event. A foreseeable fvck up is, was, and always will be, a fault of management, not bad luck.

Having made this foreseeable, tragic error, they then compound it by knee-jerking into the next one (cutting teams).

That is why Pulver is a clown and an incompetent, IMO.

Clyne's job is the represent the interests of the shareholders (the unions). He did not do a good enough job of that. He let Pulver sign that ridiculous travesty of a deal that has done irreperable harm to the unions and the game.

And that's why Clyne needs to go as well.

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good rant.
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+1
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kiap wrote:
MungoMan wrote:You know it makes sense.
The ARU are also planning on cutting the NRC from WA.

Even with the executive gone, the whole board needs a clean out. What a pack of cunts.
  • … Meanwhile, it has come to light that the ARU also intends cutting the Perth Spirit from the NRC at the end of this season. RugbyWA vice-chairman John Edwards said the club only realised their NRC team was also under threat during negotiations a few weeks ago after the ARU had issued a Termination of Alliance Agreement. (The agreement is the contract signed between the Force and the ARU when the national body bought the Super Rugby licence in June last year.)

    “In the course of renegotiation about what would happen should we lose the arbitration, the NRC Spirit team was in the Alliance as well and we asked them about that,” said Edwards. “They basically said this will be their last season, the one that’s about to start.

    “We said: ‘Why would you do that?’ And they said they were not quite sure there would be much support for (the team), or much ­interest.

    “We reacted to this by reminding them what the N in NRC stands for and that this was a very important pathway — oh, and we won it last year — and that this should in no way be linked to the Force outcome.

    “What they did say, with not much credit, was that they would look at it after the season. That’s their intention.” …
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/r ... dc21dcde1b
Wow!

What can possibly be the rationale for this?
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So going on from this, Rugby Australia are threatening the IPRC by making demands of money before they will accept it. Again going against what is good for Australian rugby.

Has Pulver now made himself unemployable?
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Looks like the cartel in Moore Park are relying on the IPRC to bail them out or provide funding for loans so they can support four Super Rugby teams.
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What a bunch of disgraceful plums.
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From Wayne Smith's article a few days ago ASIC are already looking at the case put forward by the Senate Inquiry. Speaking of ASIC they sent over 300 pages worth of ARU and Rebels financial reports to the Senate Inquiry which is now up on the Inquiry website. I have gone through some of the financials fúck they have burnt through heavy coin.
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Farva wrote:So going on from this, Rugby Australia are threatening the IPRC by making demands of money before they will accept it. Again going against what is good for Australian rugby.

Has Pulver now made himself unemployable?
Farva you will be interested in these two articles

https://thewest.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... b88680817z

https://thewest.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... b88682098z
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At what point can we see Pulver pulverised by ASIC for breach of fiduciary duties?
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Zakar wrote:At what point can we see Pulver pulverised by ASIC for breach of fiduciary duties?
Who's the main culprit? Pulver or Clyne ?
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TranceNRG wrote:
Zakar wrote:At what point can we see Pulver pulverised by ASIC for breach of fiduciary duties?
Who's the main culprit? Pulver or Clyne ?
Both are as bad as each other.
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TranceNRG wrote:
Zakar wrote:At what point can we see Pulver pulverised by ASIC for breach of fiduciary duties?
Who's the main culprit? Pulver or Clyne ?
Clynerised isn't as catchy.
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And the Kiwi Mungo it is, Raelene to finish off operative Robbie Dean's job at Rugby Australia FKA the Australian Rugby Union.

They were considering Phill Kearns for the job, lolz.
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Are the Bulldogs a well run club? Constant turmoil.....shes perfect.
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Stu Wilsons gloves wrote:And the Kiwi Mungo it is, Raelene to finish off operative Robbie Dean's job at Rugby Australia FKA the Australian Rugby Union.

They were considering Phill Kearns for the job, lolz.
:thumbdown:

I think I'd rather Kearns. And that's saying something.

Still, she can't be worse than Pulver right now.

I hope they're paying her cheap.
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kiap wrote:
Stu Wilsons gloves wrote:And the Kiwi Mungo it is, Raelene to finish off operative Robbie Dean's job at Rugby Australia FKA the Australian Rugby Union.

They were considering Phill Kearns for the job, lolz.
:thumbdown:

I think I'd rather Kearns. And that's saying something.

Still, she can't be worse than Pulver right now.

I hope they're paying her cheap.
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WTF is this a joke? A a fat Mungo to run ARU? :thumbdown:
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kiap wrote:
Stu Wilsons gloves wrote:And the Kiwi Mungo it is, Raelene to finish off operative Robbie Dean's job at Rugby Australia FKA the Australian Rugby Union.

They were considering Phill Kearns for the job, lolz.
:thumbdown:

I think I'd rather Kearns. And that's saying something.

Still, she can't be worse than Pulver right now.

I hope they're paying her cheap.
Yeah, Kearns is exactly what RA needed to dispel its image as an old boys club. At least Raelene is an experienced sports administrator. For the sake of Australian rugby I hope she succeeds.
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