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shanky wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:A quite good piece here on the hysteria:

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2 ... lock-hunt/

Never heard of this woman before. She seems quite sharp.

Wow, an extremely eloquent individual - and an entertaining piece

Cherry-picking her scenarios probably, but doing it in a very appealing manner

She should come on PR and raise the tone a bit
Or failing that, her shirt.
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And now Bryan Singer.
New York - Hollywood director Bryan Singer, best known for his four successful X-Men movies, has been accused in a lawsuit of sexually assaulting a 17-year-old boy in 2003.
According to court documents filed on Thursday in Seattle, in the northwestern state of Washington, Singer is accused of sexually assaulting Cesar Sanchez-Guzman during a party on a yacht owned by one of the director's wealthy friends.
Singer offered to give the teen a tour of the yacht, then allegedly lured him into a room, "shut the door and demanded that Cesar perform oral sex," the court filing reads.
When the youth refused, "Singer forced him into acts of oral and anal sex."
After the incident, Singer allegedly approached Sanchez-Guzman and told him he was a Hollywood producer, saying "he could help Cesar get into acting as long as Cesar never said anything about the incident."
Singer then allegedly "told Cesar that no one would believe him if he ever reported the incident, and that he could hire people who are capable of ruining someone's reputation."
In a statement released by Singer's lawyer to US entertainment media, the director "categorically denies these allegations and will vehemently defend this lawsuit to the very end."
Previous cases dropped
This latest allegation comes in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal which broke in October, unleashing a flood of sexual harassment accusations against big-name personalities in the world of entertainment, news and politics.
The case is being handled by a team of attorneys in collaboration with Jeff Herman, a lawyer who also represents Kadian Noble, one of Weinstein's alleged victims.
Singer, 52, had been accused of similar behaviour with underage teens in two earlier legal cases that were eventually dropped.
In 2014, an aspiring actor named Michael Egan sued Singer, claiming that the director had sexually assaulted him. The case was eventually dropped, and Egan pleaded guilty to fraud in an unrelated case.
Egan was also represented by Herman - the lawyer who is working on the Sanchez-Guzman case.
An earlier case in 1997 named Singer as a defendant in lawsuit by a 14-year-old who claimed he was forced to strip naked while filming a shower scene. That case was also dropped.
Singer's directing credits include The Usual Suspects (1995), Superman Returns (2006), and Walkyrie (2008), as well as X-Men movies released in 2000, 2003, 2014 and 2016.
Singer was recently fired from the upcoming film Bohemian Rhapsody - a biopic on the life of the late Queen singer Freddie Mercury - just two weeks before filming ended following a series of unexplained absences.
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zt1903 wrote:Don't know if this is the right thread but just read the rather sad story of August Ames, a porn actress who has committed suicide after being harassed on social media for refusing to do scenes with men who also do gay porn (due to increased HIV risk).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... california

Couldn't help but snigger at one of the Twitter tributes:
Rest easy August Ames thank you for being there for me during that hard time.
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troglodiet wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Don't know if this is the right thread but just read the rather sad story of August Ames, a porn actress who has committed suicide after being harassed on social media for refusing to do scenes with men who also do gay porn (due to increased HIV risk).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... california

Couldn't help but snigger at one of the Twitter tributes:
Rest easy August Ames thank you for being there for me during that hard time.
I see what he did there :nod:
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shanky wrote:
fatcat wrote:I'm not sure the tone of this place can be raised.
Ms Berlinski could do it. She is very, very clever and I respect her immensely

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Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
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zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
You’re saying the press shouldn’t publish stories about him unless and until he’s cleared in a court, even though he’s not been charged?
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shanky wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
You’re saying the press shouldn’t publish stories about him unless and until he’s cleared in a court, even though he’s not been charged?
I am? Where did I say that?
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zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
Link?
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Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
Link?

https://twitter.com/michaelscherer/stat ... 3460808706
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zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
Link?

https://twitter.com/michaelscherer/stat ... 3460808706
Gawd. She added the date and place. That's a nasty smear campaign going on against the victim there. Not surprising it's Breitbart (Moore supporter) leading the charge to call it forgery.
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I am way past dating, but now do you have to ask your date for permission before kissing her etc?
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Fangle wrote:I am way past dating, but now do you have to ask your date for permission before kissing her etc?
From her Mum, apparently.
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Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
Link?

https://twitter.com/michaelscherer/stat ... 3460808706
Gawd. She added the date and place. That's a nasty smear campaign going on against the victim there. Not surprising it's Breitbart (Moore supporter) leading the charge to call it forgery.
The original accusation, via Gloria Allred press conference, held out the whole thing to have been done by Moore. The questions over legitimacy of the yearbook signature came from Moore almost immediately and they asked for it to be independently examined. Weeks later a carefully coached ABC interview admits that what was originally purported to have come from Moore did not entirely.

It may, of course, be as innocent as an additional annotation as she says. But if so why did they not just offer this explanation weeks ago when the legitimacy was being questioned?

Roy Moore does not seem entirely kosher, but neither does this.
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zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
Link?

https://twitter.com/michaelscherer/stat ... 3460808706
Gawd. She added the date and place. That's a nasty smear campaign going on against the victim there. Not surprising it's Breitbart (Moore supporter) leading the charge to call it forgery.
The original accusation, via Gloria Allred press conference, held out the whole thing to have been done by Moore. The questions over legitimacy of the yearbook signature came from Moore almost immediately and they asked for it to be independently examined. Weeks later a carefully coached ABC interview admits that what was originally purported to have come from Moore did not entirely.

It may, of course, be as innocent as an additional annotation as she says. But if so why did they not just offer this explanation weeks ago when the legitimacy was being questioned?

Roy Moore does not seem entirely kosher, but neither does this.
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zt1903 wrote:
shanky wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Going back to Roy Moore, I see one of the accusers has now admitted, in part, to forgery of the yearbook.

The allegations against him are absolutely disgusting but this is exactly why some sort of due process is important.
You’re saying the press shouldn’t publish stories about him unless and until he’s cleared in a court, even though he’s not been charged?
I am? Where did I say that?
Right there..
You said he was entitled to "some sort of due process".

The only 'due process' applicable here (and relating to the press) would be that the matter would be sub judice during any trial and the press would not be able to publish any stories about it.

Unless you wish the police to charge him for the purposes of delivering him some 'due process' then I am struggling to see what you think could be done differently?

Perhaps a voluntary embargo on publishing any allegations against him until, say, he gets elected?
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Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm not going to read it again, but my take on it was this. She (quite rightly) considers herself to be socially and intellectually superior to two types of women that have instigated this firestorm: militant feminists, and grasping fame-hungry actresses. (Rose McGowan is a pivotal figure in this as she evolved from the latter to the former)

The upshot of this imbroglio between those two groups of women and one odious group of men, means the backlash will fall not on all men, but on all women, as men will just withdraw from situations where lively upbeat, flirtatious, naughty and perhaps across the line behaviour may occur, because the consequences can have a devastating life ruining edge to them.

So, no more of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUm8mThnTs

Which to anyone endowed with a modicum of sanity will be a pity.
When Taylor Swift is TIME magazine's Person of the Year because someone once touched her bum, it's possible the #MeToo movement is cutting too broad of a swathe.

It makes a mockery of genuine victims of violent sexual assault.
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Why does it need to be violent sexual assault? The guy stuck his hand under her skirt and groped her arse, in public, because he's a scumbag who thought he could do that to any woman he fancied.

TIME's point was that Swift (along with the other people they chose) helped break the wall of silence that's surrounded this stuff for so long.

The article they wrote on this made it all pretty clear: http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year ... -breakers/

but hey, "hysteria", women being ridiculous, militant feminists and grasping actresses, etc.
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fonzeee wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
UncleFB wrote:I wanted that to be a good read, but it really wasn't. Part of her argument was some Oxford dude grabbed my butt and I don't care so all other women should suck it up. There was some stuff I agreed with in there but she basically used the boys will be boys defence.
Was that her argument? She made clear that she was not conflating that situation with other legitimately threatening scenarios.

The absence of that distinction from the current hysteria is one of its most damaging aspects.
She's making herself the arbiter of what is a 'legitimately threatening' (and even what is abusive behaviour) - she's minimising anyone who makes a complaint, that she feel doesn't meet her standard of 'legitimately threatening'. That's BS.
Well, there has to be a line somewhere. And I struggle to believe that it’s better if the only criteria for harassment is “I felt threatened”, particularly when that emotion is not communicated in any sort of direct way to the ‘harasser’. As she noted, men aren’t exactly renowned for their ability to pick up on subtle social cues.
I agree that their should be a line somewhere, as I said above, not sure she (in her opinion to appease fatprop), going by this piece, should be the one making that distinction.

She even twists comments from Louis CK who said that he realises even if he asked to have a wank first it wasn't ok due to their respective positions in their business, and potential business, relationships.

As an aside, Louis CK really does seem to be the guy who is going to come out of this rehabilitated (TBF they all could going by the Polanski standard) yet she's offering up that he's a good chance of hanging himself. Hopefully she's wrong about that as she was with her twisting of the scenario.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
shanky wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:A quite good piece here on the hysteria:

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2 ... lock-hunt/

Never heard of this woman before. She seems quite sharp.

Wow, an extremely eloquent individual - and an entertaining piece

Cherry-picking her scenarios probably, but doing it in a very appealing manner

She should come on PR and raise the tone a bit
:thumbup:
I wanted that to be a good read, but it really wasn't. Part of her argument was some Oxford dude grabbed my butt and I don't care so all other women should suck it up. There was some stuff I agreed with in there but she basically used the boys will be boys defence. Her stuff about the 'hysteria' would have been good otherwise if removed from the context of the rest of her article.

As an aside, does anyone feel like this has been like a really crappy Fappening - instead of new pics of naked people we get a new allegation every few days.
Not for the first time I notice that your brain is wired in a peculiar way.
Hahahaha, as you well know I think the same of you so we're all square in that respect.
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JM2K6 wrote:Why does it need to be violent sexual assault? The guy stuck his hand under her skirt and groped her arse, in public, because he's a scumbag who thought he could do that to any woman he fancied.

TIME's point was that Swift (along with the other people they chose) helped break the wall of silence that's surrounded this stuff for so long.

The article they wrote on this made it all pretty clear: http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year ... -breakers/

but hey, "hysteria", women being ridiculous, militant feminists and grasping actresses, etc.
I didn't read all that article but the first few paragraphs were just detailing a bunch of accusations. I presume it contained some cast iron evidence further down?
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You really have missed the point of that article and their award by a country mile if that's what you were looking for.
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Guilty.
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JM2K6 wrote:You really have missed the point of that article and their award by a country mile if that's what you were looking for.
By the way, I'm happy for you to break it down for me.
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Some more stuff about Dustin Hoffman is appearing, he seems to be more of a groper than a raper, but still using his position to be sleazy, the result is that people are coming for ward with allegations about his inappropriate behaviour.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11956607

To be fair he deserves everything he gets after Kramer V Kramer.
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Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
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eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
We've arrived at Does Anyone Truly Give A Shit Anymore Station, haven't we.
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MungoMan wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
We've arrived at Does Anyone Truly Give A Shit Anymore Station, haven't we.
This story has hit outrage fatigue now for sure.
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eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
Makes you view 'supersize me' in a whole new light.
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danny_fitz wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
Makes you view 'supersize me' in a whole new light.
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smart move by Spurlock. Basically hasn't done anything wrong, frames it as though it is wrong and therefore looks super right on progressive, yet keeps his integrity because deep down everyone knows what he's done was just nomal. Cunning.
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Surprised no rock stars are being dragged into this, there must be a few ex groupies out there with a story to tell.
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danny_fitz wrote:Surprised no rock stars are being dragged into this, there must be a few ex groupies out there with a story to tell.
Was mentioned earlier in the thread. Thing is, despite the fact that lots of rock stars have admitted to having sex with underage girls (or the girls told the stories), those girls presumably wanted to be there. The women suffering abuse/harassment in Hollywood was because they were beholden to men in powerful positions who could steer their careers. These women didn't want to be in these positions and had to play along if they wanted to continue with their careers.
I know there's a whole issue that underage girls can't legally give consent, but you get my point.
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eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
He was involved in documenting one of my projects ages ago. Seemed well behaved enough to keep his hands off my luscious body, but not sure if it's a mahoosive surprise that he wasn't always such a gentleman.
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le chat wrote:smart move by Spurlock. Basically hasn't done anything wrong, frames it as though it is wrong and therefore looks super right on progressive, yet keeps his integrity because deep down everyone knows what he's done was just nomal. Cunning.
He's been accused of rape. Hardly normal. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is trying to control the narrative here. He's making himself look more like a victim saying "I have a problem, I understand this".
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On the Spurlock thing, I'm kinda tired of dickheads going public and claiming they were that fu@king retarded they didn't know they were being sexually abusive but this media storm and magically opened their eyes. The man live dofff a career making documentaries that were full of facts, sneered or mocked the sorts who brought into the ridiculous and called out the establishment with a "you can' honestly claim you are this stupid really?" sort of positions. Shows how cynical arseholes will happily milk the liberal attitudes and modern societies desire to be better for cash by pretending to be for the people when they really aren't.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Morgan Spurlock confesses to sexual misconduct and paying out silence money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42350064
We've arrived at Does Anyone Truly Give A Shit Anymore Station, haven't we.
I'm feeling left out.
Then you should (ahem) spill the beans while there remains a solitary fúck left to give.
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Did he steal her eye-liner?
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/d ... ra-sorvino

Peter Jackson confirms that it makes sense women who refused Weinstein's advances were blacklisted from his films, though the details weren't shared. Just likely told they are batshit crazy types avoid at all costs.
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Minnie Driver: men like Matt Damon 'simply cannot understand what abuse is like'

"Actor calls former co-star’s remarks about ‘spectrum of behaviour’ in sexual misconduct ‘Orwellian’ and questions defence of disgraced comedian Louis CK"

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/d ... tand-abuse

Also looks like Russell Simmons really is in big trouble...

"On Thursday, the New York police department announced it was opening an investigation into Russell Simmons, the rap mogul and founder of Def Jam Recordings, after multiple women accused the powerful music producer of rape and sexual assault.

Another accuser, Kelly Cutrone, a TV personality, author, and fashion publicist, emerged Friday morning. She claimed Simmons - who has denied previous rape allegations – tried to rape her and she escaped after a violent struggle.

“I remember running out the door and getting a cab and all I remember was that I got in a cab and I remember a feeling – which was so crazy – of, ‘Oh my god. Somebody just tried to rape me. What do I do?’” she told Page Six. “And then the energy of going to the police and pressing charges against him was overwhelming to me.”
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