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Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:58 am
by Chuckles1188
Seneca of the Night wrote: Not a very convincing denial imo.
And you after all are definitely a neutral arbiter in this regard

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:58 am
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:Jon Stewart being put on the mat by some kid re Louis CK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... a5VYSPsoE0

Not a very convincing denial imo.
Pfft, what would Anthony Weiner’s former roommate know about inappropriate sexual behaviour

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:04 pm
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:Now Matthew Weiner (of Mad Men) is getting it, for, er, some remark:
ormer "Mad Men" writer Kater Gordon has accused series creator Matthew Weiner of making a sexually charged remark to her while she worked on the series.

According to a report published Thursday by the Information, Gordon alleges while working together late one night in 2008, Weiner said she owed it to him to let him see her naked. A PR rep for Weiner reiterated the statement he gave to the Information: "He does not remember saying this comment nor does it reflect a comment he would say to any colleague."

Gordon won a writing Emmy in 2009 for her work on "Mad Men," but she has not worked in TV since she was let go from the "Mad Men" staff at the end of the third season. She began her TV career as a personal assistant to Weiner, then advanced to writing assistant to Weiner and ultimately to staff writer.

Of the incident, Gordon said she recalls freezing up and trying to brush off his comment. She didn't report the remark to anyone at the time out of fear of losing her job. She told the Information she decided to speak out about her experience following the explosive revelations of sexual assault allegations against film producer Harvey Weinstein.
Getting weird now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... story.html
That’s more Roger Sterling-obvious than Don Draper-smooth, he should have known better.

I imagine tv show runners will decide it's safer to just never hire a woman again

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:06 pm
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:
naki wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Jon Stewart being put on the mat by some kid re Louis CK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... a5VYSPsoE0

Not a very convincing denial imo.
Pfft, what would Anthony Weiner’s former roommate know about inappropriate sexual behaviour
I was going to include that wee nugget but decided it was an insinuation too far. Stewart better watch out himself. Letting yourself go like he has starts to get female minds whirring. They start to think 'urrgghhh; really? I'd better complain about that.'
I seem to recall he defended Weiner’s weiner to the hilt for some time also, until it was undeniable

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:07 pm
by Mick Mannock
I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:09 pm
by naki
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
In some cases it seems as much about power as sex, and in some cases it seems both impulsive and compulsive.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:10 pm
by Chuckles1188
Boris Johnson once commented that he hasn't needed to have a wank in 20 years, and I imagine folk like Weiner might say something broadly similar. Perhaps some of them should give it a try

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:10 pm
by backrow
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
probably a power thing - they have had whores in the past, so need the extra buzz of the 'conquest' with the rapey stuff.
all that power and wealth just brought out their inner dickhead tendancies

the types who simply like shagging, are the George bests / Bill Wyman / Charlie sheens of the world

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:11 pm
by backrow
Chuckles1188 wrote:Boris Johnson once commented that he hasn't needed to have a wank in 20 years, and I imagine folk like Weiner might say something broadly similar. Perhaps some of them should give it a try
jayz

I struggle with 20 mins let alone years

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:12 pm
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:
naki wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
naki wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Jon Stewart being put on the mat by some kid re Louis CK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... a5VYSPsoE0

Not a very convincing denial imo.
Pfft, what would Anthony Weiner’s former roommate know about inappropriate sexual behaviour
I was going to include that wee nugget but decided it was an insinuation too far. Stewart better watch out himself. Letting yourself go like he has starts to get female minds whirring. They start to think 'urrgghhh; really? I'd better complain about that.'
I seem to recall he defended Weiner’s weiner to the hilt for some time also, until it was undeniable
Yep. A part of me sort of feels a bit sorry for Weiner. What he had was something way beyond just harrassment. He had the sex equivalent of an extreme gambling addiction. It must be a nightmare.
Did you see the doco? Engrossing stuff, he was/is clearly addicted to that type of attention and equally delusional about. All my sympathies lay with his wife after watching that. A hideous position to be in.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:12 pm
by Nolanator
backrow wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
probably a power thing - they have had whores in the past, so need the extra buzz of the 'conquest' with the rapey stuff.
all that power and wealth just brought out their inner dickhead tendancies

the types who simply like shagging, are the George bests / Bill Wyman / Charlie sheens of the world
Claims made that he bummed a 14 Corey Haim while 19 himself.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:13 pm
by Zakar
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
That's it in a nutshell. They can; they can even get them to act out their problems (there's a funny Two and a half Men episode where Charlie orders a 'girlfriend experience' and gets the girl to moan and nag at him); but they don't.

They have some other issues going on.
Fake news.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:17 pm
by Mick Mannock
naki wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
In some cases it seems as much about power as sex, and in some cases it seems both impulsive and compulsive.

I guess that must be true. It does seem that a lot of these guys equate sex with power. I have not heard of many complaints along the lines of "He said I would only get the part if I went on set and farted in Tom Cruse's face"

It usually seems to be about exercising control through sex.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:17 pm
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:

Did you see the doco? Engrossing stuff, he was/is clearly addicted to that type of attention and equally delusional about. All my sympathies lay with his wife after watching that. A hideous position to be in.
I didn't no. But I've worked it out.
You should, it’s great. Came out before the really scandalous, criminal situation arose but he was clearly heading somewhere awful.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:18 pm
by Zakar
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
That's it in a nutshell. They can; they can even get them to act out their problems (there's a funny Two and a half Men episode where Charlie orders a 'girlfriend experience' and gets the girl to moan and nag at him); but they don't.

They have some other issues going on.
Fake news.
Guilty pleasure, like pineapple on a pizza. Or doing crack in the ghetto.

Often very funny.
It's in the Everyone Loves Raymond scale. Not funny, and actually so terrible with such awful characters it's bad for society.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:18 pm
by backrow
Nolanator wrote:
backrow wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
probably a power thing - they have had whores in the past, so need the extra buzz of the 'conquest' with the rapey stuff.
all that power and wealth just brought out their inner dickhead tendancies

the types who simply like shagging, are the George bests / Bill Wyman / Charlie sheens of the world
Claims made that he bummed a 14 Corey Haim while 19 himself.
orly ? hadn't heard that. was it consentual bumming ?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:22 pm
by Mick Mannock
Zakar wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:I do wonder why these guys do not simply purchase prossies. They can afford really good ones too.
That's it in a nutshell. They can; they can even get them to act out their problems (there's a funny Two and a half Men episode where Charlie orders a 'girlfriend experience' and gets the girl to moan and nag at him); but they don't.

They have some other issues going on.
Fake news.
Guilty pleasure, like pineapple on a pizza. Or doing crack in the ghetto.

Often very funny.
It's in the Everyone Loves Raymond scale. Not funny, and actually so terrible with such awful characters it's bad for society.
Fuck-off!

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:24 pm
by kiwinoz
Feeling sorry for Weinstein? fudge him and his kind. He was such a victim he hired Mossad agents to help.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:30 pm
by Mick Mannock
Seneca of the Night wrote:Incidentally, here is the film by Louis CK that just got canned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You,_Daddy
In the film, C.K. plays television writer and producer Glen Topher. He becomes disconcerted after his teenage daughter (Moretz) is seduced by a much older film director, played by Malkovich.


Hmm. :|
Doesn't CK have an act based on what his 4 yo daughter likes to hide up her fanny?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:31 pm
by naki
Seneca of the Night wrote:Incidentally, here is the film by Louis CK that just got canned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You,_Daddy
In the film, C.K. plays television writer and producer Glen Topher. He becomes disconcerted after his teenage daughter (Moretz) is seduced by a much older film director, played by Malkovich.


Hmm. :|
Based on Woody, of course.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:34 pm
by naki
Mick Mannock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Incidentally, here is the film by Louis CK that just got canned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You,_Daddy
In the film, C.K. plays television writer and producer Glen Topher. He becomes disconcerted after his teenage daughter (Moretz) is seduced by a much older film director, played by Malkovich.


Hmm. :|
Doesn't CK have an act based on what his 4 yo daughter likes to hide up her fanny?
No, it’s about the shock of discovering that shit gets into female baby fannies and having to clean it out. But funnier than how I described it of course.

There’s no hint of anything pedo in CK’s allegations

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:37 pm
by Chuckles1188
Man In Black wrote:There should be some sort of ranking for these perverts now.

Tier 1: Proper maniacs like Weiner who have a pathological addiction to being creepy.

Tier 2: Monstrous bestial rapists like Cosby and Weinstein who have ruined lives with their sexual harassment and assaults.

Tier 3: Run of the mill perverts like Louis CK and potentially Casey Affleck

Tier 4: Jock morons like Ben Affleck.
I'd flip tiers 1 and 2 there - Weiner seems to have something not right upstairs, whereas besides their own unconvincing claims there's not much reason to believe that Cosby or Weinstein are anything other than rapists or aspiring rapists with the power to cover their tracks. Seems worse than the still very much fucked up situation with Weiner to me

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:41 pm
by naki
Man In Black wrote:There should be some sort of ranking for these perverts now.

Tier 1: Proper maniacs like Weiner who have a pathological addiction to being creepy.

Tier 2: Monstrous bestial rapists like Cosby and Weinstein who have ruined lives with their sexual harassment and assaults.

Tier 3: Run of the mill perverts like Louis CK and potentially Casey Affleck

Tier 4: Jock morons like Ben Affleck.
Yes, they’re all getting tarred with the same rapey at the moment.

It seems like Alec Baldwin, for example, is desperate to stay in Tier 4. I imagine there are few men in Hollywood at the moment who don’t dread opening their news feed in the morning

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:02 pm
by assfly
If enough people do it, when does it become the norm and accepted by society?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:29 pm
by A5D5E5
assfly wrote:If enough people do it, when does it become the norm and accepted by society?
The 1970s apparently.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:05 pm
by RodneyRegis
Somewhat odd to come out with that news and then be up in arms that a 19 year-old Sheen tried to kiss a "barely 18 year-old"...

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:23 pm
by Flyin Ryan
Man In Black wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Man In Black wrote:There should be some sort of ranking for these perverts now.

Tier 1: Proper maniacs like Weiner who have a pathological addiction to being creepy.

Tier 2: Monstrous bestial rapists like Cosby and Weinstein who have ruined lives with their sexual harassment and assaults.

Tier 3: Run of the mill perverts like Louis CK and potentially Casey Affleck

Tier 4: Jock morons like Ben Affleck.
I'd flip tiers 1 and 2 there - Weiner seems to have something not right upstairs, whereas besides their own unconvincing claims there's not much reason to believe that Cosby or Weinstein are anything other than rapists or aspiring rapists with the power to cover their tracks. Seems worse than the still very much fucked up situation with Weiner to me
I agree. I think I put him first because it seems to be a legit medical problem but Cosby and Weinstein are the more monstrous characters. Carlos Danger is just a sick man.

I guess my main thoughts are that not every awkward fumble or attempt to bang an actress need to be seen as on the same level as asking Mossad to destroy the lives of women who refuse to fudge you. Which is, I fear, where its headed.
It's already there. We're a victim-based society.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:29 pm
by Brazil
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Man In Black wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Man In Black wrote:There should be some sort of ranking for these perverts now.

Tier 1: Proper maniacs like Weiner who have a pathological addiction to being creepy.

Tier 2: Monstrous bestial rapists like Cosby and Weinstein who have ruined lives with their sexual harassment and assaults.

Tier 3: Run of the mill perverts like Louis CK and potentially Casey Affleck

Tier 4: Jock morons like Ben Affleck.
I'd flip tiers 1 and 2 there - Weiner seems to have something not right upstairs, whereas besides their own unconvincing claims there's not much reason to believe that Cosby or Weinstein are anything other than rapists or aspiring rapists with the power to cover their tracks. Seems worse than the still very much fucked up situation with Weiner to me
I agree. I think I put him first because it seems to be a legit medical problem but Cosby and Weinstein are the more monstrous characters. Carlos Danger is just a sick man.

I guess my main thoughts are that not every awkward fumble or attempt to bang an actress need to be seen as on the same level as asking Mossad to destroy the lives of women who refuse to fudge you. Which is, I fear, where its headed.
Needs a website. With a pervertometer ranking.
Maybe like one of those multiple point questionaires that finishes with a chart of your political leanings. In this case the x axis would be "Mother Theresa" to "Aleister Crowley", and the Y "Celibacy" to "kickfucking a girl with cerebral palsy"

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:16 pm
by Boomslang
Brazil wrote:"kickfucking a girl with cerebral palsy"
Image

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:30 pm
by Brazil
Boomslang wrote:
Brazil wrote:"kickfucking a girl with cerebral palsy"
Image
Shamelessly stolen from Doug Stanhope.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:30 pm
by Zakar
Seneca of the Night wrote:Image
He's never really hid it has he?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:35 pm
by Chuckles1188
Zakar wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Image
He's never really hid it has he?
To be fair that was fucking hilarious, and if he weren't implicated in harassment now it wouldn't be indicative of anything in particular

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:40 pm
by Turbogoat
Man In Black wrote:
Perhaps exposing yourself to women and masturbating shows that you are an sexual deviant, not a cruel sadist?
Depends on the person being masturbated at knows that it's going to stop there or not, possibly.

If some bloke, bigger, heavier and stronger than you trapped you in a room and starting handcranking his single piston engine at you, are you 100% sure that it's going to stop there or is there a possibility he's intending to treat you like the outside of a sausage roll?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:47 pm
by paddyor
Zakar wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Image
He's never really hid it has he?
Apparently gawker had this story back in 2012.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:57 pm
by Santa

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:43 pm
by kiwinoz
Seneca of the Night wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:Feeling sorry for Weinstein? fudge him and his kind. He was such a victim he hired Mossad agents to help.
Wiener not Weinstein.
Weiner? His laptop may be the DC equivalent of Wikileaks. Allegedly some of the videos on it will bring this to DC in big way. Feel sorry for him? These guys know exactly what they are doing and enjoy all the "benefits" of their position and connections. Its only when they get caught does it become a problem. How can you feel sorry for that lot?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:52 pm
by paddyor
kiwinoz wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:Feeling sorry for Weinstein? fudge him and his kind. He was such a victim he hired Mossad agents to help.
Wiener not Weinstein.
Weiner? His laptop may be the DC equivalent of Wikileaks. Allegedly some of the videos on it will bring this to DC in big way. Feel sorry for him? These guys know exactly what they are doing and enjoy all the "benefits" of their position and connections. Its only when they get caught does it become a problem. How can you feel sorry for that lot?
Isn't Weiner already going to jail?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:58 pm
by Plato'sCave
Surely this stuff is logical:

Consensual = good where bothparties > legal_age
Not consensual = always_bad

I’m a software person so logic is paramount.

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:00 am
by paddyor
Plato'sCave wrote:Surely this stuff is logical:

Consensual = good where bothparties > legal_age
Not consensual = always_bad

I’m a software person so logic is paramount.
Bit of a grey area.

What if you ask them if you cna take your dick out first? Is that Consensual?

Re: Harvey Weinstein:Hollywoods sexual secrets about to expl

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:02 am
by paddyor
Santa wrote:Louis CK has lost a lot of money and is likely to lose more so after years of dismissing it as just stories has copped to the lot

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/cel ... s-are-true
Fixed.