Re: Women's Rugby thread
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:22 am
Shauna Brown has come on and started playing like a train.
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I don't know when this was agreed upon, but my initial thought upon hearing there'd be a November series was: "Why???" They'd just had a World Cup, which always sees some retirements, those with jobs are likely (as in the case of a friend) to not have any vacation time left this year or will have to begging to their employers again (not just WRWC, but they also had the tour to NZ in June). And for those without jobs and still in uni (though this team has a few, I think), they're coming up to the end of the semester. I'm told by a mate who coaches uni that several capped players he knows who are still students turned down this tour.eldanielfire wrote: Canada has literally picked the worst time to come to ENgland, though I expect tuesdays match to be much closer now Canada have time together.
Nieghorn wrote:Jo Brown and Shona Brown the same person? (I don't remember hearing 'Jo' during the match.)
Looking to put us to the sword, eh, keeping the midfield, halfbacks, half the pack and the try machine on the wing?
Nieghorn wrote:Maybe? Lock up the series and then go experimenting? I'm keen to see more of Tuima!
Fire fighting, eh? I noticed that Ceri Large is headed down that route (wondered what she was up to recently, thinking she should still have years left to be eligible at this level).
https://twitter.com/CeriLarge10/media?lang=en (banner photo)
... looking at that feed, what's happened to Laura Keates and Sasha Acheson? Two very mobile props that I thought would take over and be world-beaters.
She's got remarkable pace and composure hasn't she? There a a few good young players in that team - good to see.Wendigo7 wrote:Ellie Kildaune scored a fantastic try on half time.
Much improved from Canada but England lead 20-0.
A keen cricket fan, Cokayne was at Lord's to watch England's women defeat India to win the World Cup in July.
And the 21-year-old feels rugby can learn from cricket when it comes growing the women's game.
"To have the whole of Lord's sold-out, it was an amazing atmosphere," she added.
"People were there that didn't know the players, while half the time with our games it's friends and family, which is great, but we want more people coming for the love of the game.
"We play at Twickenham [after men's matches], and when we warm-up it is loud and the whole atmosphere is there. By the time kick-off comes, people are rushing out, which is quite disheartening."
Indeed. England seem o ahve this superb generation of players coming into the game right now. I guess the extra interest generated by the 2010 Wold Cup drew lots more talent into the game. The RWC win in 2014 literally helped the RFU double playing numbers in 3 years. It's all happening for England right now.nuffsaid wrote:She's got remarkable pace and composure hasn't she? There a a few good young players in that team - good to see.Wendigo7 wrote:Ellie Kildaune scored a fantastic try on half time.
Much improved from Canada but England lead 20-0.
I'd love to see RFU numbers on growth of club and school teams amongst girls. When I taught in England back in 2005, there was next to nothing. I was coaching U15 boys at Clifton - which had a very strong women's team - but there were few girls even in the boys teams that allowed girls. A friend asked if I knew of schools his girls might tour and I said that clubs were probably a better bet, but a quick Google and I got the impression that there were quite a few girls teams (public schools, mostly?) as well now.eldanielfire wrote:I don't know the difference not knowing anythin about cricket. I do think England would do great when they do a double bill to play the women before the men rather then afterwards. While I think the RFU are keen to grow the women's game, sometiems the details are clearly not being thought about. The current series with Canada is basically only advertised in Rugby circles and fairly last minute. Tickets are often undecided as to how they will be sold, or even how they will be priced, until only a few weeks before. A big factor could be Lords is easy to get to for Londonersand Twickenham is not. Also it was the world cup final. I'm sure if England hosted a wRWC again it would generate record interest easily right now.
The current reboot of the women's top tier is good, it's even got a website dedicated to it now. But it needs an advertising budget and at least one game shown every week rather then once a month. It would be ideal if it was shown on TV even. Rugby interest is exploding but the exposure still needs to be there.
Laura Keates injured her Achilles in June, so she’s still on her way back from that. All I know about Sasha Acheson is that she had quite a nasty injury a couple of years back, and had since fallen out of favour, though I don’t know why.Nieghorn wrote:Maybe? Lock up the series and then go experimenting? I'm keen to see more of Tuima!
Fire fighting, eh? I noticed that Ceri Large is headed down that route (wondered what she was up to recently, thinking she should still have years left to be eligible at this level).
https://twitter.com/CeriLarge10/media?lang=en (banner photo)
... looking at that feed, what's happened to Laura Keates and Sasha Acheson? Two very mobile props that I thought would take over and be world-beaters.
The RFU have nearly opened up access to girls at many schools in London. The issue is you have to travel to another school to take part, which can be difficult if that school isnt particularly close or easy to get to. That limits the girls at my school. I believe in my previous links the RFU plan 300 more girls/womens teasm in the next 4 years.Nieghorn wrote:I'd love to see RFU numbers on growth of club and school teams amongst girls. When I taught in England back in 2005, there was next to nothing. I was coaching U15 boys at Clifton - which had a very strong women's team - but there were few girls even in the boys teams that allowed girls. A friend asked if I knew of schools his girls might tour and I said that clubs were probably a better bet, but a quick Google and I got the impression that there were quite a few girls teams (public schools, mostly?) as well now.eldanielfire wrote:I don't know the difference not knowing anythin about cricket. I do think England would do great when they do a double bill to play the women before the men rather then afterwards. While I think the RFU are keen to grow the women's game, sometiems the details are clearly not being thought about. The current series with Canada is basically only advertised in Rugby circles and fairly last minute. Tickets are often undecided as to how they will be sold, or even how they will be priced, until only a few weeks before. A big factor could be Lords is easy to get to for Londonersand Twickenham is not. Also it was the world cup final. I'm sure if England hosted a wRWC again it would generate record interest easily right now.
The current reboot of the women's top tier is good, it's even got a website dedicated to it now. But it needs an advertising budget and at least one game shown every week rather then once a month. It would be ideal if it was shown on TV even. Rugby interest is exploding but the exposure still needs to be there.
Yeah, really good young players. It makes sense a that women's rugby got a big level of exposure when England hoisted it in 2010 and women's teams have been growing rapidly in clubs, schools and uni for a while.nuffsaid wrote:She's got remarkable pace and composure hasn't she? There a a few good young players in that team - good to see.Wendigo7 wrote:Ellie Kildaune scored a fantastic try on half time.
Much improved from Canada but England lead 20-0.
Well they may pick jobs which allow them to train better for starters, when the incentive that the England team will lead to a lot more more if they make it. A gamble yes.eldanielfire wrote:
Incentisized how? When I hear "Incentivised" points in a debate it is usually by somebody who can't explain how when you have 2 equally motivated and hardworking people how the one with fewer resources or none can be incentivised to do better then the one with all the resources.
Someone working full time can't train as much or as hard, nor get as much rest as a full time athlete or a rich athlete who doesn't need to work, especially when rest periods are as vital to recovery, growing muscle and being recovered for the next session. They can try, but they will not be able to keep up but it will only create a social divide, not open it up to greater talent. No incentive is going to change this unless there is a base higher with certain physiological, social and economic requirements are met that all athletes start from. Incentivise does nothing from the bottom.
What do you mean they are a long way to be paid what men get paid? if you're talking about how much money they make for the RFU then that would be none at all so therefore for equality they need to be put on the same as men.Lobby wrote:
Rugby is hardly unusual in not paying its women players comparable salaries to the men. Tennis is probably the only sport where men and women receive the same or comparable remuneration.
Football is much richer than rugby, and the women's game is now starting to attract more money and TV exposure, but the 'gender pay gap' in football is even greater than in rugby.
In England there are now 30 women football players who are paid a minimum of £25,000 per year on the central contracts, rising to around £30,000 with appearance bonuses.
Even a top bracket earner in women’s football such as Steph Houghton, is likely only getting around £70,000 per year including income from sponsors. In contrast, the best players in the US can earn about $3M, although most will come from sponsorship deals and advertising.
It is good news that the RFU will be paying the England 15s players, as well as the 7s players, but we are long way from being able pay them even close to what the men get paid. In most other countries, the women get paid nothing, or just expenses.
There is also the issue of sustainability. Taking the league for example each side has a 30 squad first team and a 30 squad reserve team. There are 10 teams. On a minimun living wage that is 20k per player and £12 million a year. The RFU for example doesn't have the money to suddenly pay 600 players an annual wages for no return as it's income is already all allocated out. What's more it wouldn't entirely stop the women from working or studying £20k is hardly going to maintain a decent lifestyle or prevent boredom, people need lives. The RFU may rake it in but it also supports the entire infrastructure of Rugby in England.le chat wrote: So you've gone from incentivised will improve things to "it's a gamble". there is also the "they may pick jobs that allow them to train better". Half the teams these women come from are up north or the midlands, hardly breaming with jobs to select from. And then there are qualifications, one of the England locks is a farmer. That's her qualification and skill set. What do you expect her to switch to? One of the best flankers could only get last week off to train with the team because she is firefighter training. Do you really expect these women to alter their entire lives and careers to play for no renumeration? They already make makes losses financially by taking time off work for tournaments and stunt their career paths by taking lost of time off for training camps, tests and tournaments.
It will get better, but a whole league doesn't go from nothing to sustainability paying out millions. The RFU is broadly pushing it so it is. But it takes time. No matter the incentive things still take time.
What do you mean they are a long way to be paid what men get paid? if you're talking about how much money they make for the RFU then that would be none at all so therefore for equality they need to be put on the same as men.
so why pay them at all if they don't earn the money back?eldanielfire wrote:There is also the issue of sustainability. Taking the league for example each side has a 30 squad first team and a 30 squad reserve team. There are 10 teams. On a minimun living wage that is 20k per player and £12 million a year. The RFU for example doesn't have the money to suddenly pay 600 players an annual wages for no return as it's income is already all allocated out. What's more it wouldn't entirely stop the women from working or studying £20k is hardly going to maintain a decent lifestyle or prevent boredom, people need lives. The RFU may rake it in but it also supports the entire infrastructure of Rugby in England.le chat wrote: So you've gone from incentivised will improve things to "it's a gamble". there is also the "they may pick jobs that allow them to train better". Half the teams these women come from are up north or the midlands, hardly breaming with jobs to select from. And then there are qualifications, one of the England locks is a farmer. That's her qualification and skill set. What do you expect her to switch to? One of the best flankers could only get last week off to train with the team because she is firefighter training. Do you really expect these women to alter their entire lives and careers to play for no renumeration? They already make makes losses financially by taking time off work for tournaments and stunt their career paths by taking lost of time off for training camps, tests and tournaments.
It will get better, but a whole league doesn't go from nothing to sustainability paying out millions. The RFU is broadly pushing it so it is. But it takes time. No matter the incentive things still take time.
What do you mean they are a long way to be paid what men get paid? if you're talking about how much money they make for the RFU then that would be none at all so therefore for equality they need to be put on the same as men.
A skinny burglar targeted the wrong property when he tried to break into the home of a top female England rugby player.
The cowardly intruder scarpered after attempting to break-in to the home of fly-half Ceri Large, 27, and was sent dashing down the street with his trousers round his ankles.
Miss Large said: 'He was a scrawny, vile little coward and I was probably bigger than him, so it was lucky we didn't catch him.
'If I had, I probably would have battered him.'
Miss Large, who represented England in the 2014 women's rugby world cup, had a group of friends from the local women's rugby club staying overnight on Friday.
The unsuspecting intruder crept in and Miss Large heard him and gave chase.
He was then caught on camera running down the garden and jumping over a fence.
He hurried down the street in his boxer shorts as his jeans fell down when he ran away from Miss Large's house.
She said: 'You should have seen him jump over that gate. I bet he doesn't tell people he was chased away by a girl.
'His jeans were so baggy that they fell down around his ankles, so he ended up running down the road in his boxers.'
Miss Large, who now plays club rugby for Gloucester-Hartpury, had stayed up into the early hours of Saturday morning watching Children In Need with some friends from Drybrook Rugby Club.
She had been expecting her brother and another friend to arrive back late at her parents' house in Cinderford, Gloucestershire, and so had left the back door open.
But around 2.20am she was woken by noises from downstairs and footsteps on the stairs, and became suspicious.
Hiding in the dark, Miss Large watched a dark shadow creep in and out of the bedrooms where her friends were sleeping, before flicking the light on.
She said: 'I was in pitch black so I just switched on my phone light in his face and screamed, 'There's a man in the house' at the top of my voice.
'My friends said afterwards they had never heard anything like it.'
Miss Large added: 'He just scarpered. He must have been scared because he jumped from the top of the stairs to the bottom and broke the bottom step.
'It's a shame he didn't go right through and get stuck.
'I chased him out and my friend was just behind, but we decided not to follow when he jumped over a six foot gate and ran off.'
She added that the culprit had taken off his shoes in order to sneak around more quietly and so he didn't leave footprints.
Thankfully nothing was stolen and Miss Large's parents were able to access CCTV footage when they returned the following day from a holiday in the Isle of Wight.
Now she wants to warn others in the area about leaving their back doors open and says next time people might not be so fortunate.
'I know I shouldn't have left the door open and if I had caught him I would probably have battered him,' she said.
'But it's not the point. It's still frightening and upsetting to know that some vile person has taken their shoes off and crept into your house in the middle of the night.
'If there's a lesson to take from this it is that you should always lock your doors because these people are trying the handles looking for an easy way in.'
She described the man in her house as having dark, scruffy hair, a goatie beard and a moustache. His accomplice, who was waiting outside, was wearing a grey hoodie and a flat cap.
A spokesman for Gloucestershire Police said: 'Shortly before 2.30am, an unknown male offender entered a property through an insecure door.
'The man was disturbed by a female and she chased him out of the property and the offender ran towards St White's Road, where he was joined by a second male.
'Nothing is believed to have been stolen in the incident.'
That's only a valid argument if the only value in paying is what you get back directly or that the RFU only pays out to get a return. If it did that then it wouldn't invest millions in the lower leagues and millions more in the grassroots game.le chat wrote: so why pay them at all if they don't earn the money back?
That was my thought! Could be worse, it could have been the sun.Nieghorn wrote:Great job, Ceri, but leave it to the Daily Mail to make her do a cheesy photoshoot for it.
Nieghorn wrote:Damn geo blocking!!! (I'm sure it'll appear on youtube soon enough, though. Would love to see the whole match.)
Looks like itNieghorn wrote:Middleton taking notes from Eddie?
Will be poached by 7s soon enough? (Keep her free for 6N, I say.)eldanielfire wrote:Breech's acceleration and pace are ridiculous. 7 tries in one game and 15 minutes.