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bessantj wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
henry wrote:
bessantj wrote:The Calcutta Cup could be the game of the 6N next year.
I'm looking forward to them playing against Ireland. The clash of styles will be epic.
Ireland will comfortably overpower us in a straightforward win. Same with England.
England this year was a bit of a car crash, but I think you're talking your team down if you think it's going to be comfortable for them Scotland are playing so much better these days. It's good to see. But now it has been mentioned, the Ireland/Scotland game should be good.
We gave Ireland a pretty good game two years ago, and that was without Russell.

England at MF is a completely different prospect from England at Twickenham. It’s been so long since we won there that we don’t believe we can - just as we don’t believe we can beat NZ (though hopefully tonight should change that).
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Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
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Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.

Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, if we can stop them for large periods better teams like Ireland and England could cause them some proper grief, although I’m unconvinced by Ireland’s attack, think it’s a bit blunt to properly prosper. England have the options though.

In saying this I fully expect the ab’s to innovate again and by rwc time be back to their formidable best. This was a great chance as I don’t think they are firing on all cylinders and the taffs could well sneak it next week.
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bessantj wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
henry wrote:
bessantj wrote:The Calcutta Cup could be the game of the 6N next year.
I'm looking forward to them playing against Ireland. The clash of styles will be epic.
Ireland will comfortably overpower us in a straightforward win. Same with England.
England this year was a bit of a car crash, but I think you're talking your team down if you think it's going to be comfortable for them Scotland are playing so much better these days. It's good to see. But now it has been mentioned, the Ireland/Scotland game should be good.
We struggle against teams that have big powerful packs that hammer us upfront like England and Ireland but get joy against teams that like to play it wider like the crims.

Think our injury list will hamper us for next week for the crims though but we are more comfortable with teams that like to play at pace and wide.
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The Native wrote:Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
Without Wayne Smith, Foster, the so-called attack coach, seems devoid of ideas. The ABs are winning because they still have a few players of freakish talent.
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Waka Nathan wrote:
The Native wrote:Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
Without Wayne Smith, Foster, the so-called attack coach, seems devoid of ideas. The ABs are winning because they still have a few players of freakish talent.
I was just thinking what a huge loss Wayne Smith is to this team and then Foster pops his head up at halftime and confirms it all.
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.

Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, if we can stop them for large periods better teams like Ireland and England could cause them some proper grief, although I’m unconvinced by Ireland’s attack, think it’s a bit blunt to properly prosper. England have the options though.

In saying this I fully expect the ab’s to innovate again and by rwc time be back to their formidable best. This was a great chance as I don’t think they are firing on all cylinders and the taffs could well sneak it next week.

The ABs wont win 2019 unless we find a 10 with better understanding of the position.
BB is a super sub/potential fullback. He had a terrible game with his field kicking and option taking. Again. He plays well less than 50% of the time. Atleast mehrtens only used to choke at rwc and bedisloes. This guy plays crap every 2nd test. Worst regular 10 in our pro era comfortably
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Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.


Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, also teams are holding on to the ball rather than kicking it which means we spend long periods without the ball and end up conceding penalties and eventually yellow cards. But it's not just the tactics. You can have all these great tactics but you've got to be good enough to execute them. It definitely feels like the NH teams have improved their structures, defence and fitness. No more 40 point romps.
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Onya Blacks...Onya Scots...top game to watch with many twists and turns. Well done for grabbing another win AB's....one more then off to the beach. Best wishes against the welsh.
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booji boy wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.


Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, also teams are holding on to the ball rather than kicking it which means we spend long periods without the ball and end up conceding penalties and eventually yellow cards. But it's not just the tactics. You can have all these great tactics but you've got to be good enough to execute them. It definitely feels like the NH teams have improved their structures, defence and fitness. No more 40 point romps.
This. Only the morons are thinking the ABs are going to continue winning every game by 30 odd points. Every team on the planet has had years now to study the ABs structures and tactics, and improve on their own.
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Auckman wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:
The Native wrote:Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
Without Wayne Smith, Foster, the so-called attack coach, seems devoid of ideas. The ABs are winning because they still have a few players of freakish talent.
I was just thinking what a huge loss Wayne Smith is to this team and then Foster pops his head up at halftime and confirms it all.

Why do I keep getting that feeling that Foster is an imposter?
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Auckman wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:
The Native wrote:Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
Without Wayne Smith, Foster, the so-called attack coach, seems devoid of ideas. The ABs are winning because they still have a few players of freakish talent.
I was just thinking what a huge loss Wayne Smith is to this team and then Foster pops his head up at halftime and confirms it all.
Wayne Smith was defense coach.
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Wayne Smith was Wayne Smith, Ian Foster is no Wayne Smith.
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Well done, ABs, comme d'habitude ...

And well done, Scotchland. No great surprise about the performance to the Irish given how your teams in the Pro 14 and the national team have been going over the last few years ...

Great for rugby to see things 'tighten-up' though I appreciate everyone in Scotland and their supporters were hoping for more today ...

Next time ! ;)
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This was a cracking game to watch. Well done both teams.
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Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
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Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.


Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, also teams are holding on to the ball rather than kicking it which means we spend long periods without the ball and end up conceding penalties and eventually yellow cards. But it's not just the tactics. You can have all these great tactics but you've got to be good enough to execute them. It definitely feels like the NH teams have improved their structures, defence and fitness. No more 40 point romps.
This. Only the morons are thinking the ABs are going to continue winning every game by 30 odd points. Every team on the planet has had years now to study the ABs structures and tactics, and improve on their own.
Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today which is a credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
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badmannotinjapan wrote:Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
60????
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badmannotinjapan wrote:Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
Which penalties were baffling?
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booji boy wrote:Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today and credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
For me that's sort of the point. If Taylor hadn't let his pass be intercepted again the score board could have been a lot kinder to the ABs.

The bottom line is that the ABs to an extent have been worked out. Where they go from here will be up to the coaches.
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acenas of the day wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
JB1981 wrote:More of the same from the All Blacks which is disappointing, but Scotland are continuing their upward trend.

Fingers crossed Gatland has motivated the ABs enough for a big performance next week.
The penny has dropped.

Teams are using a rush defence hard, working of fitness and targetting a good field game to neutralise NZ's attack.

You can see it in a lot of games just how effective a good rush is against them. They can't cut a line as easily and teams are physically matching them which is a problem because if you can't get over the game line, that defence shoves you backwards.

Hopefully fingers crossed, teams like NZ and England use pick and gos at pace more effectively to tie in defenders and slow the rush defence.
Yep, if we can stop them for large periods better teams like Ireland and England could cause them some proper grief, although I’m unconvinced by Ireland’s attack, think it’s a bit blunt to properly prosper. England have the options though.

In saying this I fully expect the ab’s to innovate again and by rwc time be back to their formidable best. This was a great chance as I don’t think they are firing on all cylinders and the taffs could well sneak it next week.

The ABs wont win 2019 unless we find a 10 with better understanding of the position.
BB is a super sub/potential fullback. He had a terrible game with his field kicking and option taking. Again. He plays well less than 50% of the time. Atleast mehrtens only used to choke at rwc and bedisloes. This guy plays crap every 2nd test. Worst regular 10 in our pro era comfortably
So SBW best midfield back in the world and BB worst 10 of the pro era. Riiiiggghhhttttt. :roll:
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
Which penalties were baffling?
I thought the referee was excellent. :thumbup:
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Forwards using fast pick n gos. Quick snap punching holes to drag in defenders, or the clinic you saw in the last 10 minutes from England today.

Let the rush come to you and kick short stabs in behind. Beautifully effective in a tight game and I think NZ might move to that longer term. Perhaps not with Beauden at 10 though.
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Good on the Scots. But they will be gutted about that first half. They were dominant but stupid errors cost them.
Incredible defence from the ABs who once again let ill discipline define their game. They need to sort that but Scot pressure largely the reason. ABs have had too many games with men in the sin bin ... surprisingly it hasn’t cost them a match yet (SBW’s red aside ... and even then we nearly won!)

1 to go before we can lock 2017 away as “ not a vintage year”but and incredibly valuable one for development.

Once again congrats to the Scottish who have some real talent and team values. Go well in the 6 nations. :thumbup:
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Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today and credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
For me that's sort of the point. If Taylor hadn't let his pass be intercepted again the score board could have been a lot kinder to the ABs.

The bottom line is that the ABs to an extent have been worked out. Where they go from here will be up to the coaches.
In the build up to this game, Townsend pretty much said he spends very little time on the opposition and focuses more on what we are going to do which I thought was interesting.
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Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today and credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
For me that's sort of the point. If Taylor hadn't let his pass be intercepted again the score board could have been a lot kinder to the ABs.

The bottom line is that the ABs to an extent have been worked out. Where they go from here will be up to the coaches.
But that just comes down to skills execution. The opportunities are still there but we just have to be sharp enough to take them. A bit like the 3rd Lions test if we're not quite on song the opportunities go begging. We've just been a fraction off this year.
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In fact, the best example of a rush being properly undone was the tight game in the first test against the Lions.

Excellent pick n gos, really muscular hard yards tying in the defence and it worked really well. Remember Retallick and Whitelock being really prominent with Cane in getting go forward.
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booji boy wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today and credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
For me that's sort of the point. If Taylor hadn't let his pass be intercepted again the score board could have been a lot kinder to the ABs.

The bottom line is that the ABs to an extent have been worked out. Where they go from here will be up to the coaches.
But that just comes down to skills execution. The opportunities are still there but we just have to be sharp enough to take them. A bit like the 3rd Lions test if we're not quite on song the opportunities go begging. We've just been a fraction off this year.
I don't agree that it's just down to skills execution. I think the issues are larger than that. As has been mentioned the second halves by the ABs, their traditional strength have been poor. There have been fewer chances overall. The team isn't controlling possession and territory as well as they should. Expecting to win games just by flashes of brilliance isn't an effective strategy.
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Wendigo7 wrote:In fact, the best example of a rush being properly undone was the tight game in the first test against the Lions.

Excellent pick n gos, really muscular hard yards tying in the defence and it worked really well. Remember Retallick and Whitelock being really prominent with Cane in getting go forward.
Yeah unfortunately we'll never know how the second test would have panned out if SBW hadn't been red carded. As if that wasn't bad enough then the AB coaches pulled Kaino to get another back on the field. x( So the pick n go game plan (if it was the intended game plan) probably went out the window at that stage.
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Wendigo7 wrote:In fact, the best example of a rush being properly undone was the tight game in the first test against the Lions.

Excellent pick n gos, really muscular hard yards tying in the defence and it worked really well. Remember Retallick and Whitelock being really prominent with Cane in getting go forward.
:thumbup: I'd said as much on the French thread. Where are the pick and goes up the guts? Earn the right to go wide.
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The off season can't come any quicker for the ABs. They better get up for the game next week, otherwise Gatland will be smiling like a Cheshire cat.
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Tehui wrote:The off season can't come any quicker for the ABs. They better get up for the game next week, otherwise Gatland will be smiling like a Cheshire cat.
Heaven forbid! That would be a rotten way to end the year giving that smug plum a reason to gloat even more.
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At the end of the day I wouldn't be losing any sleep over that. That Scots side are not the mugs of auld, and as was pointed out, there are only 3 starters in the 2015 RWC AB side that were in the best XV. The coaches have had a lot to work on over the last year or so.
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Nathan Harris comes on for 4 minutes. Doesn't throw the ball in and almost sparks an famous Scottish victory.

Did the Scottish fullback really try and act like the ball didn't touch him before it went in the in goal and he touched it down? Best move since televised games!

Well done Scotland. NZ have lost their spark. Need some new tactics in the game plan to counter rush defences and make us a little more unpredictable. Liked SBWs game and the 7 man scrum penalty
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charltom wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
60????
Yeah, hold your horses there. Scotland had 14 when NZ scored their first try, and that wasn’t even our fault - Dunbar was down injured, leaving a handy gap.

Just watching the game over here and I haven’t seen a baffling penalty yet, unless it’s the one given for the challenge on Hogg where the AB player was incredibly lucky not to be carded.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:Let's not forget the ABs were 14 for 60 minutes. We spent large periods of that test without the ball so our defence, for the most part, is holding up pretty well especially a man down.
Some of those penalties were baffling, it was almost as if they were conjured up out of a sparrows fart.
When we needed to we put points on the board and did enough to win the match. As frustrating as it was.
Which penalties were baffling?
Not many in my mind, although Barclay wasn't supporting his body weight in the first penalty against us for holding on. Cane showed a few minutes later how a real tunrover is won cleanly. The ref wised up to Barclay's impersonation of Pooper, pinged him subsequently. Refs need to clamp down on this.
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Our lack of composure seems to me to stem from our unusual Haka formation. Unless Sopoaga has Maori lineage I'm awfully confused as to why he's in the second row flanking the Skipper, get to the back, son. Likewise SBW, less brainfarts please. Down the back you go. ALB is also strangely forward in the ranks. Less of the pretty boy showboating and 'dance performance' and get the Haka back to the heirachy the team desperately needs now that the back of the bus tradition seems to be a thing of the past.
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I think we found our counter to the haka today, doddie coming out after it was very moving and would have cooled the blood in the ab team as it wasn’t then straight into kick off.

It’s gutting seeing the big man go through this horrible disease, especially when you saw how poorly jdv was at the end and that’s what he faces :(
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The Native wrote:Regarding Barrett. Some blame has to be laid at the feet of whoever isn't adjusting the backline attack to deal with teams that use the rush defense to shut down time and space. Ian Foster?
I still cannot shake the feeling that Foster is the weak link in the All Blacks management team. He never really achieved anything with Waikato or the Chiefs, always a 'nearly' man. There are many coaches in NZ with a much better coaching record than Fozzie, but they keep buggering off overseas because of these unusual coaching appointments.
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Re: Scotland-New Zealand Autumn Test - Official Thread

Post by brat »

Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:
booji boy wrote:Having said that there were a couple of opportunities that we let slip. The break down the left that was intercepted and Liam Squires break off the scrum where he should have passed. Convert those two and suddenly we're out of sight on the scoreboard. But we weren't sharp enough today and credit to Scotlands defense. They were resolute today. :thumbup:
For me that's sort of the point. If Taylor hadn't let his pass be intercepted again the score board could have been a lot kinder to the ABs.

The bottom line is that the ABs to an extent have been worked out. Where they go from here will be up to the coaches.
But that just comes down to skills execution. The opportunities are still there but we just have to be sharp enough to take them. A bit like the 3rd Lions test if we're not quite on song the opportunities go begging. We've just been a fraction off this year.
I don't agree that it's just down to skills execution. I think the issues are larger than that. As has been mentioned the second halves by the ABs, their traditional strength have been poor. There have been fewer chances overall. The team isn't controlling possession and territory as well as they should. Expecting to win games just by flashes of brilliance isn't an effective strategy.
I think you have to also take the players out at the moment into consideration as well.. it’s effecting our whole make up -especially the bench quality

Put our best front row in especially coles, then Smith, retallick, possibly dagg etc and we have a different team

Controversial..but I would like Barrett moved back to the bench and give Lima or Richie some time at 1st58.. see how it goes
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