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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:26 pm 
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Bernie has raised $1 million since he declared four hours ago. :shock:


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I saw he declared. Can't wait for more of his cult to continue their nonsense. Hillary took money from Goldman-Sachs but I never have to show my taxes. Black people vote against their own interests by voting against me and it has nothing to do with my attack on Pres. Obama. The Super delegates are denying me my chance and not that they are voting for someone who has actually done more than name a post office or street in my 26 years in office or has been a lifelong Dem and not a johnny come lately.

I f**king hate him and his cult. My fear is this time if he doesn't win it will create chaos because his cult is that strong.


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Flyin Ryan wrote:
Super early, but I feel Harris is going to fall in to the Scott Walker/Jeb Bush "early frontrunner that flamed out" role.


Yeah I do get that feeling as well. Just like those guys, paper thin when it comes down to it.

Unlike some other in this race I don’t dislike her, I just have no fvcking clue what she really stands for and even less of an idea of how she’d bring those things about.


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Is this a perfectly acceptable headline to believe and run with. If If someone didn't like Gabbard and wanted to believe she had this view and is now apologizing for it, she is just another politicain backtracking. Unless someone took time to actually read up on Gabbard. If they didn't and held on to a view that she is anti-gay and is only apologizing now cause she is running, what would you say if that someone choose to take a head line at face value. Because the Harris-Snoop-Tupac thing is a valid headline right?


You're still reaching. The Harris-Snoop headline was valid even from non-Harris haters. You listen on the radio, and it was aradio show, it is exactly what you will hear.

I didn't say Gabbard's anti-gay past wasn't ever valid. You moving goalposts for the 2345785th time. I simply said in terms of her authencity her conversion to pro-gay rights is A) pretty normal considering mo st people have also progressed in society, B) pre-date any reason to do it for political advantage and C) She has a long and immaculate career supporting her genuine. I simply put to believe she isn't is to lean against the rational and logical side of the debate into paranoia. Had Gabbard suddenly declared not long before her presidency run, then it would be valid to claim her pro-gay stance is false as f#ck!


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3) I have always claimed if you watch the video, you will know the audio is cross talk. You have done a million dances arguing the audio is valid. I have argued that if people choose to believe the audio over the video and the DJs own words, they are choosing so because she is not their guy but as with Gabbard and her anti-gay past, if you choose to believe the headline, then it is likely because of bias. I don't know how you could not comprehend this point. I didn't ever said the audio is wrong or that is not what I heard. I have said it may sound like that but that is not what happened. I don't know what is going on with your comprehension skills. You have said on here that Harris lied and now are trying to claim that it is an honest interpretation if you listen to the audio. Funny you didn't add this disclaimer before.


Why does a radio show need that disclamer that people will likely believe what they hear off it? FFS do you ever stop moving those goalposts? Must have given you lots of back trouble by now.

Literally all the media came out with the same story. You drone don and on how they must be purposely running with a certain headline. Now you agree it's also the story they probably heard like everyone else, yet somehow you are still claiming they only reported it due to their bias?. For goodness sake, Occam's razor is forever a distant concept to you. Mental gymnastics to defy the rational and logic and jumping to inane conclusion with little to no evidence besides other opinions which back up your own seem to be your modus operandi.

1) Funny I am reaching with Gabbard. I have never moved posts. You can't even realize when we are talking about a new topic, so how can I take you seriously!! If I didn't know about Gabbard's anti-gay past and. I just saw a headline that says Gabbard apologizes for Anti-gay past or that other headline, I posted, they would be free to run with that. Not scratching the surface about her voting record and taking that headline for what it is, which you said is fair when it comes to Harris, so it would be fair. But I guess it is not fair to Tulsi because there is so much more to here but with Harris fudge her, it is a fair headline.

2) Again your full of shit. Right wing media like red state, fox, breitbart reported it as such, Others like the faiing NY Times did this https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/p ... tupac.html
They used the disclaimer accused and then got into the story. But whatever, all the media right. :roll:


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1) Funny I am reaching with Gabbard. I have never moved posts. You can't even realize when we are talking about a new topic, so how can I take you seriously!! If I didn't know about Gabbard's anti-gay past and. I just saw a headline that says Gabbard apologizes for Anti-gay past or that other headline, I posted, they would be free to run with that. Not scratching the surface about her voting record and taking that headline for what it is, which you said is fair when it comes to Harris, so it would be fair. But I guess it is not fair to Tulsi because there is so much more to here but with Harris fudge her, it is a fair headline.

2) Again your full of shit. Right wing media like red state, fox, breitbart reported it as such, Others like the faiing NY Times did this https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/p ... tupac.html
They used the disclaimer accused and then got into the story. But whatever, all the media right. :roll:



:lol: More goalpost moving and trying to conflate other issues. You were saying this was something for those whose person wasn't Kamala Harris and Tulsi Goddbard didn't get it for not being her. All you have is conservative media will slant angles against Democrats. And Vice Versa. You saying they wouldn't slant angles against the other nominees now? WHat is it? Kamala's people vs those opposed to her or Conservative and Liberal media taking their usual angles which no one is arguing against.


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1) Funny I am reaching with Gabbard. I have never moved posts. You can't even realize when we are talking about a new topic, so how can I take you seriously!! If I didn't know about Gabbard's anti-gay past and. I just saw a headline that says Gabbard apologizes for Anti-gay past or that other headline, I posted, they would be free to run with that. Not scratching the surface about her voting record and taking that headline for what it is, which you said is fair when it comes to Harris, so it would be fair. But I guess it is not fair to Tulsi because there is so much more to here but with Harris fudge her, it is a fair headline.

2) Again your full of shit. Right wing media like red state, fox, breitbart reported it as such, Others like the faiing NY Times did this https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/p ... tupac.html
They used the disclaimer accused and then got into the story. But whatever, all the media right. :roll:



:lol: More goalpost moving and trying to conflate other issues. You were saying this was something for those whose person wasn't Kamala Harris and Tulsi Goddbard didn't get it for not being her. All you have is conservative media will slant angles against Democrats. And Vice Versa. You saying they wouldn't slant angles against the other nominees now? WHat is it? Kamala's people vs those opposed to her or Conservative and Liberal media taking their usual angles which no one is arguing against.


You just can't comprehend so you claim goalpost shifting. It now makes sense and makes it clear. You claimed I thought Harris was about identity politics. Now this, you can't even understand a basic point when it is made. Maybe it is your urgency to disagree with me that makes you miss such simple things. And then you make ridiculous claims. Read my points again and see if you can grasp it, humor me if you will. I am sure the response will be something about me moving goal posts too much. You must had shot a brick in school when asked to explain what the class just read.


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So I donated to Yang. Still undecided but he deserves to have his message heard in the debates.


I've been interested in Yang for a few months now. I was circumspect at first. I found some of the arguments and statistics he deploys in favour of a 'freedom dividend' very compelling, but I'm not entirely convinced it'll be as straightforward to fund as he suggests. Nonetheless, it seems to me he's thinking about the big issues more deeply and innovatively than any of the other putative candidates. I think he's a foretaste of the sort of politics that are going to be necessary for western economies and societies to navigate the 21st century in one piece. I also think Trump would struggle to top him in a head to head debate. Whereas the other Democrats jostling for a presidential run - all of whom look depressingly myopic and out of date to me - I'm firmly convinced will be eaten alive.

It's an enormous bonus that he doesn't seem to favour the destructive and divisive nonsense that characterises the output of so many other political figures in the US at the moment. Strikes me that he's spotted that game for the dangerous dead end it actually is. For me - someone who deplores the weaponised partisanship both sides have thoughtlessly ratcheted up for the last 4 years - this puts him well ahead of the competition. I'd very much like to see him get a decent head of steam up. Sadly, politics being the reactive game it usually is, I fear he's a little bit too far ahead of the curve to consolidate a block behind him. I'd be thrilled to see him prove me wrong though.


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No one should be surprised. It happened in 2016 but HRC deserved it or ran a poor campaign or something. So here we are heading into 2020 and the Russians are at it again while the Republicans look the other way.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ck-1176018


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Damn I wish what was going on in British politics could go on here.


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Yang seems good. I read a bit about him yesterday. I’ve downloaded the JRE too.


+1. Had a read of his website of the weekend and he sounds good. I'll be interested to see and hear more as the campaign progresses.

Also, Bernie raised $4 million yesterday. That's some going.


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Yang seems good. I read a bit about him yesterday. I’ve downloaded the JRE too.


+1. Had a read of his website of the weekend and he sounds good. I'll be interested to see and hear more as the campaign progresses.

Also, Bernie raised $4 million yesterday. That's some going.


Bernie supporters have the nerve to call Trumpkins a cult.


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So I donated to Yang. Still undecided but he deserves to have his message heard in the debates.


I've been interested in Yang for a few months now. I was circumspect at first. I found some of the arguments and statistics he deploys in favour of a 'freedom dividend' very compelling, but I'm not entirely convinced it'll be as straightforward to fund as he suggests. Nonetheless, it seems to me he's thinking about the big issues more deeply and innovatively than any of the other putative candidates. I think he's a foretaste of the sort of politics that are going to be necessary for western economies and societies to navigate the 21st century in one piece. I also think Trump would struggle to top him in a head to head debate. Whereas the other Democrats jostling for a presidential run - all of whom look depressingly myopic and out of date to me - I'm firmly convinced will be eaten alive.

It's an enormous bonus that he doesn't seem to favour the destructive and divisive nonsense that characterises the output of so many other political figures in the US at the moment. Strikes me that he's spotted that game for the dangerous dead end it actually is. For me - someone who deplores the weaponised partisanship both sides have thoughtlessly ratcheted up for the last 4 years - this puts him well ahead of the competition. I'd very much like to see him get a decent head of steam up. Sadly, politics being the reactive game it usually is, I fear he's a little bit too far ahead of the curve to consolidate a block behind him. I'd be thrilled to see him prove me wrong though.


:thumbup:

He’s ahead of the game for sure. I bet a lot of his proposals will become mainstream by 2024. He seems to appeal to everyone from the far left to centrists on the Democratic side, and even Libertarians on the right. He’s just battling name recognition at this point, because many who hear his pitch seem to come away convinced.


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The Russians are at it again. 'Sustained and ongoing' attacks on several Democrat Presidential candidates are being reported already.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ck-1176018

Reminder to anyone finding some juicy gossip - check your sources before gleefully posting it here please.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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Yang seems good. I read a bit about him yesterday. I’ve downloaded the JRE too.


+1. Had a read of his website of the weekend and he sounds good. I'll be interested to see and hear more as the campaign progresses.

Also, Bernie raised $4 million yesterday. That's some going.


I am planning on donating a couple of $ to him so he can get into the debates later this year :thumbup:


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Bernie has raised $1 million since he declared four hours ago. :shock:


$6 million now apparently. I understand why many in the Democratic party dislike him but the fact is, he is very popular. The DNC maybe needs to learn how to handle him and his followers better?


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Bernie has raised $1 million since he declared four hours ago. :shock:


$6 million now apparently. I understand why many in the Democratic party dislike him but the fact is, he is very popular. The DNC maybe needs to learn how to handle him and his followers better?


More than all others combined.


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So I donated to Yang. Still undecided but he deserves to have his message heard in the debates.


Same here. I like the guy and how he explained honestly what is happening with with AI.


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More evidence that he brings people with different political views together. Will be interesting to see how far he gets.


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More evidence that he brings people with different political views together. Will be interesting to see how far he gets.


The interview with Rogan gave me answers to questions that I had pondered for quite some time. Five minutes before the Rogan interview I would have said Universal Income was a stupid idea that made no sense. A few minutes after Yang's explanation I was all for it. Medicare for all and legal cannabis and this stupid war on drugs are added pluses.

Yang is a smart guy with real solutions but they are out of the box..something our country needs desperately.
It was a pleasure listening.


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1) Funny I am reaching with Gabbard. I have never moved posts. You can't even realize when we are talking about a new topic, so how can I take you seriously!! If I didn't know about Gabbard's anti-gay past and. I just saw a headline that says Gabbard apologizes for Anti-gay past or that other headline, I posted, they would be free to run with that. Not scratching the surface about her voting record and taking that headline for what it is, which you said is fair when it comes to Harris, so it would be fair. But I guess it is not fair to Tulsi because there is so much more to here but with Harris fudge her, it is a fair headline.

2) Again your full of shit. Right wing media like red state, fox, breitbart reported it as such, Others like the faiing NY Times did this https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/p ... tupac.html
They used the disclaimer accused and then got into the story. But whatever, all the media right. :roll:



:lol: More goalpost moving and trying to conflate other issues. You were saying this was something for those whose person wasn't Kamala Harris and Tulsi Goddbard didn't get it for not being her. All you have is conservative media will slant angles against Democrats. And Vice Versa. You saying they wouldn't slant angles against the other nominees now? WHat is it? Kamala's people vs those opposed to her or Conservative and Liberal media taking their usual angles which no one is arguing against.


You just can't comprehend so you claim goalpost shifting. It now makes sense and makes it clear. You claimed I thought Harris was about identity politics. Now this, you can't even understand a basic point when it is made. Maybe it is your urgency to disagree with me that makes you miss such simple things. And then you make ridiculous claims. Read my points again and see if you can grasp it, humor me if you will. I am sure the response will be something about me moving goal posts too much. You must had shot a brick in school when asked to explain what the class just read.


It is goalpost shifting. The fact you said it was about Harris, not other people in the Dem race then move onto standard Conservative
responses to any Dem story is ridiculous once again.

:lol: You can't even produce any evidence on anything. You constantly move to new and other examples as proof of your original assertions, which are baseless or stated as certainly when at the best it's very open to interpretation. Almost always a lack of hard evidence and that you reveal a total obsession with how vague faceless other groups think and obsess with little to no evidence. Almost the entire board who discusses politics points this out and you keep blaming it on others.


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Flyin Ryan wrote:
Damn I wish what was going on in British politics could go on here.


You do? I assume not the recent shit-pit of Brexit discussions and fights. I assume the creation of a new party/group?


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DT doesn’t shift the goalposts...you just can’t pick up on the subtle nuances


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Old Man by the Sea wrote:
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More evidence that he brings people with different political views together. Will be interesting to see how far he gets.


The interview with Rogan gave me answers to questions that I had pondered for quite some time. Five minutes before the Rogan interview I would have said Universal Income was a stupid idea that made no sense. A few minutes after Yang's explanation I was all for it. Medicare for all and legal cannabis and this stupid war on drugs are added pluses.

Yang is a smart guy with real solutions but they are out of the box..something our country needs desperately.
It was a pleasure listening.


He’s a very effective communicator. Uses lots of data but keeps it approachable to everyone.

With you on the rest. People have been hoping for a genuine reformer for too long now.


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Bernie has raised $1 million since he declared four hours ago. :shock:


$6 million now apparently. I understand why many in the Democratic party dislike him but the fact is, he is very popular. The DNC maybe needs to learn how to handle him and his followers better?


The DNC has tried better since 2016. He will have to heal wounds but does he care too? He doesn't strike me as someone that accepts blame well. In 2016, he just blamed the DNC. Plus he will have to deal with being the frontrunner this time. It is a totally different role.


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Is this a perfectly acceptable headline to believe and run with. If If someone didn't like Gabbard and wanted to believe she had this view and is now apologizing for it, she is just another politicain backtracking. Unless someone took time to actually read up on Gabbard. If they didn't and held on to a view that she is anti-gay and is only apologizing now cause she is running, what would you say if that someone choose to take a head line at face value. Because the Harris-Snoop-Tupac thing is a valid headline right?


You're still reaching. The Harris-Snoop headline was valid even from non-Harris haters. You listen on the radio, and it was aradio show, it is exactly what you will hear.

I didn't say Gabbard's anti-gay past wasn't ever valid. You moving goalposts for the 2345785th time. I simply said in terms of her authencity her conversion to pro-gay rights is A) pretty normal considering mo st people have also progressed in society, B) pre-date any reason to do it for political advantage and C) She has a long and immaculate career supporting her genuine. I simply put to believe she isn't is to lean against the rational and logical side of the debate into paranoia. Had Gabbard suddenly declared not long before her presidency run, then it would be valid to claim her pro-gay stance is false as f#ck!


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3) I have always claimed if you watch the video, you will know the audio is cross talk. You have done a million dances arguing the audio is valid. I have argued that if people choose to believe the audio over the video and the DJs own words, they are choosing so because she is not their guy but as with Gabbard and her anti-gay past, if you choose to believe the headline, then it is likely because of bias. I don't know how you could not comprehend this point. I didn't ever said the audio is wrong or that is not what I heard. I have said it may sound like that but that is not what happened. I don't know what is going on with your comprehension skills. You have said on here that Harris lied and now are trying to claim that it is an honest interpretation if you listen to the audio. Funny you didn't add this disclaimer before.


Why does a radio show need that disclamer that people will likely believe what they hear off it? FFS do you ever stop moving those goalposts? Must have given you lots of back trouble by now.

Literally all the media came out with the same story. You drone don and on how they must be purposely running with a certain headline. Now you agree it's also the story they probably heard like everyone else, yet somehow you are still claiming they only reported it due to their bias?. For goodness sake, Occam's razor is forever a distant concept to you. Mental gymnastics to defy the rational and logic and jumping to inane conclusion with little to no evidence besides other opinions which back up your own seem to be your modus operandi.


I am bring this up to show your inability to follow a point. I am highlighting you now changing from Harris lied to it is an honest interpretation that she lied if you listen to the audio. Those are two very different statements and you only added the qualify after I called you out on it. Your response is why would a radio show have to add a qualifier.

This how we end up at goalpost shifting when you can't follow a point.


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DT doesn’t shift the goalposts...you just can’t pick up on the subtle nuances


Well we all can't live in your black and white world, can we.


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Kamala’s father responds to her radio interview claims, calls her a liar: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... juana-joke


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Klobuchar has some promise...pissing off some of the right people too, a hit piece from CNN that showed up on RealClearPolitics got me to look up her platform on Wiki:

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Multiple news outlets have described Senator Klobuchar as moderate and pragmatic, willing to tell the voters no when she believed a specific proposal was not in the best interest of the nation.

Agriculture

As a U.S. Senator, Klobuchar has made increasing insurance programs for farmers impacted by severe weather and market fluctuations a priority. Her agriculture concerns have made her interested in trade as well.


Climate change and environmental issues

Klobuchar said during the CNN Town Hall that while she likes the idea of a Green New Deal, it was not realistic. She said it was aspirational to believe all the proposals could be enacted in 10 years and acknowledged that along the way to becoming law, compromises would need to happen.[16]

Klobuchar said that during her first 100 days in office, she would reinstate the Clean Power Plan and propose legislation to invest in green jobs and infrastructure. She also said that on her first day, the U.S. would rejoin the Paris Climate Change Agreement.


Consumer protection

In 2018, Klobuchar introduced a bill with Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) with the goal, among other things, of increasing the clarity of online terms of service and requiring more transparency regarding what data companies gather and share. Because of her early focus on consumer safety issues, the New York Times nicknamed her "The Senator of Small Things", to which Klobuchar responded that she does not "view these as small things".


Crime

Klobuchar, like fellow Senator and candidate Kamala Harris, began her career as a prosecutor. Klobuchar is highly controversial for being a "tough on crime" prosecutor, a drug warrior who increased her state's prison population dramatically. These prosecutions largely affected people of color.

Klobuchar, who is from a region with a strong tradition of gun ownership, attended the March for Our Lives and favors "common sense" gun safety legislation such as universal background checks.


Education

Klobuchar does not support free, four-year college for all, saying that while she wished she could make it happen, it was not realistic. Instead, she proposed allowing students to more easily refinance their student loans, making community colleges free, and extending Pell Grants to a wider group of recipients.


Elections

In her announcement speech, Klobuchar said she supported an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. She also advocated restoring the Voting Rights Act and automatic voter registration for every 18 year old U.S. citizen.

Following Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, she introduced legislation in 2017 in the Senate to bring more online communications under the oversight of election law, with the goal of increasing the transparency of online election advertising. It would also require social media companies to maintain more information on advertisement buyers and who they target. The bill was endorsed by both Facebook and Twitter but failed in the Senate.


Foreign policy

Klobuchar committed to standing with allies and having a clear purpose. She said frontline troops, diplomats, and intelligence officers who risk their lives daily "deserve better than foreign policy by tweet."


Healthcare

While Klobuchar has pushed for reductions in healthcare costs, she has not called for an overhaul of the entire system like other 2020 candidates. She has not supported the Medicare-for All plan proposed by 2016 candidate and 2020 candidate Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). She does, however, support a path to universal healthcare, believing a good first step would be a public option, allowing Americans to opt-in to government-run health insurance instead of finding private plans.[17] During the CNN Town Hall, Klobuchar stated that Medicare-for-All "could be a possibility in the future", but she was looking for solutions "that will work now". She said her priorities would be expanding Medicare and Medicaid, improving the ACA, and creating a public option.

During her time in the Senate, Klobuchar has repeatedly pushed for ways to lower the costs of prescription drugs. She has introduced legislation encouraging the development of cheaper, generic versions of name-brand drugs. She has also supported allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of drugs with pharmaceutical companies.


National debt

Klobuchar has cited her concern with the growing national debt as one of her main reasons for opposing proposals such as Medicare-for-All and free college. She said during a CNN Town Hall that she doesn't "want to leave that on the shoulders" of the next generation and specifically called out the Trump Administration for allowing the national debt to grow.


Social issues

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed back on hate and fear mongering, saying

We may come from different places. We may pray in different ways. We may look different, love different, but we all live in the same country of shared dreams.


Technology

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed for strengthening the U.S.'s cyber security and guaranteeing net neutrality nationwide. She also said that by 2022, every U.S. household should be connected to the internet.


Trade

Klobuchar has urged President Trump to quickly renegotiate trade deals and end Chinese tariffs that hurt the agriculture industry in the U.S. She supported Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs.


Not bad, maybe she could gain some traction if all the woke candidates cannibalize each other.

fudge me, there’s actually a few good candidates popping up.


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Yeah, I'm liking the sound of Klobuchar. I think the Dems (and Americans) need to see someone who can trap off back at The Donald. She's quite centrists too, from reading about her ideas.


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Klobuchar would have been a good candidate in like 2004, before the financial crash. Her policies are way out of step now though. Large parts of the population and even regions of the country still haven’t recovered and she’s basically proposing nothing to fix it. Plus she already had her CNN town hall. If she was going to catch on, it would have happened after that. Still polling at 1-3%. Yang is already at 1% with basically no media exposure.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:04 pm 
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Klobuchar has some promise...pissing off some of the right people too, a hit piece from CNN that showed up on RealClearPolitics got me to look up her platform on Wiki:

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Multiple news outlets have described Senator Klobuchar as moderate and pragmatic, willing to tell the voters no when she believed a specific proposal was not in the best interest of the nation.

Agriculture

As a U.S. Senator, Klobuchar has made increasing insurance programs for farmers impacted by severe weather and market fluctuations a priority. Her agriculture concerns have made her interested in trade as well.


Climate change and environmental issues

Klobuchar said during the CNN Town Hall that while she likes the idea of a Green New Deal, it was not realistic. She said it was aspirational to believe all the proposals could be enacted in 10 years and acknowledged that along the way to becoming law, compromises would need to happen.[16]

Klobuchar said that during her first 100 days in office, she would reinstate the Clean Power Plan and propose legislation to invest in green jobs and infrastructure. She also said that on her first day, the U.S. would rejoin the Paris Climate Change Agreement.


Consumer protection

In 2018, Klobuchar introduced a bill with Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) with the goal, among other things, of increasing the clarity of online terms of service and requiring more transparency regarding what data companies gather and share. Because of her early focus on consumer safety issues, the New York Times nicknamed her "The Senator of Small Things", to which Klobuchar responded that she does not "view these as small things".


Crime

Klobuchar, like fellow Senator and candidate Kamala Harris, began her career as a prosecutor. Klobuchar is highly controversial for being a "tough on crime" prosecutor, a drug warrior who increased her state's prison population dramatically. These prosecutions largely affected people of color.

Klobuchar, who is from a region with a strong tradition of gun ownership, attended the March for Our Lives and favors "common sense" gun safety legislation such as universal background checks.


Education

Klobuchar does not support free, four-year college for all, saying that while she wished she could make it happen, it was not realistic. Instead, she proposed allowing students to more easily refinance their student loans, making community colleges free, and extending Pell Grants to a wider group of recipients.


Elections

In her announcement speech, Klobuchar said she supported an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. She also advocated restoring the Voting Rights Act and automatic voter registration for every 18 year old U.S. citizen.

Following Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, she introduced legislation in 2017 in the Senate to bring more online communications under the oversight of election law, with the goal of increasing the transparency of online election advertising. It would also require social media companies to maintain more information on advertisement buyers and who they target. The bill was endorsed by both Facebook and Twitter but failed in the Senate.


Foreign policy

Klobuchar committed to standing with allies and having a clear purpose. She said frontline troops, diplomats, and intelligence officers who risk their lives daily "deserve better than foreign policy by tweet."


Healthcare

While Klobuchar has pushed for reductions in healthcare costs, she has not called for an overhaul of the entire system like other 2020 candidates. She has not supported the Medicare-for All plan proposed by 2016 candidate and 2020 candidate Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). She does, however, support a path to universal healthcare, believing a good first step would be a public option, allowing Americans to opt-in to government-run health insurance instead of finding private plans.[17] During the CNN Town Hall, Klobuchar stated that Medicare-for-All "could be a possibility in the future", but she was looking for solutions "that will work now". She said her priorities would be expanding Medicare and Medicaid, improving the ACA, and creating a public option.

During her time in the Senate, Klobuchar has repeatedly pushed for ways to lower the costs of prescription drugs. She has introduced legislation encouraging the development of cheaper, generic versions of name-brand drugs. She has also supported allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of drugs with pharmaceutical companies.


National debt

Klobuchar has cited her concern with the growing national debt as one of her main reasons for opposing proposals such as Medicare-for-All and free college. She said during a CNN Town Hall that she doesn't "want to leave that on the shoulders" of the next generation and specifically called out the Trump Administration for allowing the national debt to grow.


Social issues

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed back on hate and fear mongering, saying

We may come from different places. We may pray in different ways. We may look different, love different, but we all live in the same country of shared dreams.


Technology

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed for strengthening the U.S.'s cyber security and guaranteeing net neutrality nationwide. She also said that by 2022, every U.S. household should be connected to the internet.


Trade

Klobuchar has urged President Trump to quickly renegotiate trade deals and end Chinese tariffs that hurt the agriculture industry in the U.S. She supported Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs.


Not bad, maybe she could gain some traction if all the woke candidates cannibalize each other.

fudge me, there’s actually a few good candidates popping up.


I do quite like Klobuchar, and also Gabbard for what it’s worth. I don’t think either will win the nomination this time though.

I think Harris will win the nomination and lose the election.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:05 pm 
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Here’s the Klobuchar candidacy in a nutshell. She polls 3% with 100k+ earners, 2% among Dems only, 1% when Independents are included. And 1% with pretty much every other demographic.

https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2019/01/ ... nal-class/

That said, she looks like a midwestern mom who would be cast in a sitcom alongside Tim Allen or John Goodman so I’m sure the DNC have her on the VP shortlist because according to focus groups “those people” in flyover country might like her.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:06 pm 
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zt1903 wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
Klobuchar has some promise...pissing off some of the right people too, a hit piece from CNN that showed up on RealClearPolitics got me to look up her platform on Wiki:

Spoiler: show
Quote:
Multiple news outlets have described Senator Klobuchar as moderate and pragmatic, willing to tell the voters no when she believed a specific proposal was not in the best interest of the nation.

Agriculture

As a U.S. Senator, Klobuchar has made increasing insurance programs for farmers impacted by severe weather and market fluctuations a priority. Her agriculture concerns have made her interested in trade as well.


Climate change and environmental issues

Klobuchar said during the CNN Town Hall that while she likes the idea of a Green New Deal, it was not realistic. She said it was aspirational to believe all the proposals could be enacted in 10 years and acknowledged that along the way to becoming law, compromises would need to happen.[16]

Klobuchar said that during her first 100 days in office, she would reinstate the Clean Power Plan and propose legislation to invest in green jobs and infrastructure. She also said that on her first day, the U.S. would rejoin the Paris Climate Change Agreement.


Consumer protection

In 2018, Klobuchar introduced a bill with Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) with the goal, among other things, of increasing the clarity of online terms of service and requiring more transparency regarding what data companies gather and share. Because of her early focus on consumer safety issues, the New York Times nicknamed her "The Senator of Small Things", to which Klobuchar responded that she does not "view these as small things".


Crime

Klobuchar, like fellow Senator and candidate Kamala Harris, began her career as a prosecutor. Klobuchar is highly controversial for being a "tough on crime" prosecutor, a drug warrior who increased her state's prison population dramatically. These prosecutions largely affected people of color.

Klobuchar, who is from a region with a strong tradition of gun ownership, attended the March for Our Lives and favors "common sense" gun safety legislation such as universal background checks.


Education

Klobuchar does not support free, four-year college for all, saying that while she wished she could make it happen, it was not realistic. Instead, she proposed allowing students to more easily refinance their student loans, making community colleges free, and extending Pell Grants to a wider group of recipients.


Elections

In her announcement speech, Klobuchar said she supported an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. She also advocated restoring the Voting Rights Act and automatic voter registration for every 18 year old U.S. citizen.

Following Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, she introduced legislation in 2017 in the Senate to bring more online communications under the oversight of election law, with the goal of increasing the transparency of online election advertising. It would also require social media companies to maintain more information on advertisement buyers and who they target. The bill was endorsed by both Facebook and Twitter but failed in the Senate.


Foreign policy

Klobuchar committed to standing with allies and having a clear purpose. She said frontline troops, diplomats, and intelligence officers who risk their lives daily "deserve better than foreign policy by tweet."


Healthcare

While Klobuchar has pushed for reductions in healthcare costs, she has not called for an overhaul of the entire system like other 2020 candidates. She has not supported the Medicare-for All plan proposed by 2016 candidate and 2020 candidate Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). She does, however, support a path to universal healthcare, believing a good first step would be a public option, allowing Americans to opt-in to government-run health insurance instead of finding private plans.[17] During the CNN Town Hall, Klobuchar stated that Medicare-for-All "could be a possibility in the future", but she was looking for solutions "that will work now". She said her priorities would be expanding Medicare and Medicaid, improving the ACA, and creating a public option.

During her time in the Senate, Klobuchar has repeatedly pushed for ways to lower the costs of prescription drugs. She has introduced legislation encouraging the development of cheaper, generic versions of name-brand drugs. She has also supported allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of drugs with pharmaceutical companies.


National debt

Klobuchar has cited her concern with the growing national debt as one of her main reasons for opposing proposals such as Medicare-for-All and free college. She said during a CNN Town Hall that she doesn't "want to leave that on the shoulders" of the next generation and specifically called out the Trump Administration for allowing the national debt to grow.


Social issues

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed back on hate and fear mongering, saying

We may come from different places. We may pray in different ways. We may look different, love different, but we all live in the same country of shared dreams.


Technology

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed for strengthening the U.S.'s cyber security and guaranteeing net neutrality nationwide. She also said that by 2022, every U.S. household should be connected to the internet.


Trade

Klobuchar has urged President Trump to quickly renegotiate trade deals and end Chinese tariffs that hurt the agriculture industry in the U.S. She supported Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs.


Not bad, maybe she could gain some traction if all the woke candidates cannibalize each other.

fudge me, there’s actually a few good candidates popping up.


I do quite like Klobuchar, and also Gabbard for what it’s worth. I don’t think either will win the nomination this time though.

I think Harris will win the nomination and lose the election.


Harris is sinking and the DNC hates Bernie. The SOS will go out to Biden if it hasn’t already.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:07 pm 
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DT doesn’t shift the goalposts...you just can’t pick up on the subtle nuances


:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:55 am 
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Bowens wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
Klobuchar has some promise...pissing off some of the right people too, a hit piece from CNN that showed up on RealClearPolitics got me to look up her platform on Wiki:

Spoiler: show
Quote:
Multiple news outlets have described Senator Klobuchar as moderate and pragmatic, willing to tell the voters no when she believed a specific proposal was not in the best interest of the nation.

Agriculture

As a U.S. Senator, Klobuchar has made increasing insurance programs for farmers impacted by severe weather and market fluctuations a priority. Her agriculture concerns have made her interested in trade as well.


Climate change and environmental issues

Klobuchar said during the CNN Town Hall that while she likes the idea of a Green New Deal, it was not realistic. She said it was aspirational to believe all the proposals could be enacted in 10 years and acknowledged that along the way to becoming law, compromises would need to happen.[16]

Klobuchar said that during her first 100 days in office, she would reinstate the Clean Power Plan and propose legislation to invest in green jobs and infrastructure. She also said that on her first day, the U.S. would rejoin the Paris Climate Change Agreement.


Consumer protection

In 2018, Klobuchar introduced a bill with Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) with the goal, among other things, of increasing the clarity of online terms of service and requiring more transparency regarding what data companies gather and share. Because of her early focus on consumer safety issues, the New York Times nicknamed her "The Senator of Small Things", to which Klobuchar responded that she does not "view these as small things".


Crime

Klobuchar, like fellow Senator and candidate Kamala Harris, began her career as a prosecutor. Klobuchar is highly controversial for being a "tough on crime" prosecutor, a drug warrior who increased her state's prison population dramatically. These prosecutions largely affected people of color.

Klobuchar, who is from a region with a strong tradition of gun ownership, attended the March for Our Lives and favors "common sense" gun safety legislation such as universal background checks.


Education

Klobuchar does not support free, four-year college for all, saying that while she wished she could make it happen, it was not realistic. Instead, she proposed allowing students to more easily refinance their student loans, making community colleges free, and extending Pell Grants to a wider group of recipients.


Elections

In her announcement speech, Klobuchar said she supported an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. She also advocated restoring the Voting Rights Act and automatic voter registration for every 18 year old U.S. citizen.

Following Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, she introduced legislation in 2017 in the Senate to bring more online communications under the oversight of election law, with the goal of increasing the transparency of online election advertising. It would also require social media companies to maintain more information on advertisement buyers and who they target. The bill was endorsed by both Facebook and Twitter but failed in the Senate.


Foreign policy

Klobuchar committed to standing with allies and having a clear purpose. She said frontline troops, diplomats, and intelligence officers who risk their lives daily "deserve better than foreign policy by tweet."


Healthcare

While Klobuchar has pushed for reductions in healthcare costs, she has not called for an overhaul of the entire system like other 2020 candidates. She has not supported the Medicare-for All plan proposed by 2016 candidate and 2020 candidate Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). She does, however, support a path to universal healthcare, believing a good first step would be a public option, allowing Americans to opt-in to government-run health insurance instead of finding private plans.[17] During the CNN Town Hall, Klobuchar stated that Medicare-for-All "could be a possibility in the future", but she was looking for solutions "that will work now". She said her priorities would be expanding Medicare and Medicaid, improving the ACA, and creating a public option.

During her time in the Senate, Klobuchar has repeatedly pushed for ways to lower the costs of prescription drugs. She has introduced legislation encouraging the development of cheaper, generic versions of name-brand drugs. She has also supported allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of drugs with pharmaceutical companies.


National debt

Klobuchar has cited her concern with the growing national debt as one of her main reasons for opposing proposals such as Medicare-for-All and free college. She said during a CNN Town Hall that she doesn't "want to leave that on the shoulders" of the next generation and specifically called out the Trump Administration for allowing the national debt to grow.


Social issues

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed back on hate and fear mongering, saying

We may come from different places. We may pray in different ways. We may look different, love different, but we all live in the same country of shared dreams.


Technology

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed for strengthening the U.S.'s cyber security and guaranteeing net neutrality nationwide. She also said that by 2022, every U.S. household should be connected to the internet.


Trade

Klobuchar has urged President Trump to quickly renegotiate trade deals and end Chinese tariffs that hurt the agriculture industry in the U.S. She supported Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs.


Not bad, maybe she could gain some traction if all the woke candidates cannibalize each other.

fudge me, there’s actually a few good candidates popping up.


I do quite like Klobuchar, and also Gabbard for what it’s worth. I don’t think either will win the nomination this time though.

I think Harris will win the nomination and lose the election.


Harris is sinking and the DNC hates Bernie. The SOS will go out to Biden if it hasn’t already.


It's irritating listening to some Dems go on about Sanders age but not saying anything about Biden's age.


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Bowens wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
Klobuchar has some promise...pissing off some of the right people too, a hit piece from CNN that showed up on RealClearPolitics got me to look up her platform on Wiki:

Spoiler: show
Quote:
Multiple news outlets have described Senator Klobuchar as moderate and pragmatic, willing to tell the voters no when she believed a specific proposal was not in the best interest of the nation.

Agriculture

As a U.S. Senator, Klobuchar has made increasing insurance programs for farmers impacted by severe weather and market fluctuations a priority. Her agriculture concerns have made her interested in trade as well.


Climate change and environmental issues

Klobuchar said during the CNN Town Hall that while she likes the idea of a Green New Deal, it was not realistic. She said it was aspirational to believe all the proposals could be enacted in 10 years and acknowledged that along the way to becoming law, compromises would need to happen.[16]

Klobuchar said that during her first 100 days in office, she would reinstate the Clean Power Plan and propose legislation to invest in green jobs and infrastructure. She also said that on her first day, the U.S. would rejoin the Paris Climate Change Agreement.


Consumer protection

In 2018, Klobuchar introduced a bill with Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) with the goal, among other things, of increasing the clarity of online terms of service and requiring more transparency regarding what data companies gather and share. Because of her early focus on consumer safety issues, the New York Times nicknamed her "The Senator of Small Things", to which Klobuchar responded that she does not "view these as small things".


Crime

Klobuchar, like fellow Senator and candidate Kamala Harris, began her career as a prosecutor. Klobuchar is highly controversial for being a "tough on crime" prosecutor, a drug warrior who increased her state's prison population dramatically. These prosecutions largely affected people of color.

Klobuchar, who is from a region with a strong tradition of gun ownership, attended the March for Our Lives and favors "common sense" gun safety legislation such as universal background checks.


Education

Klobuchar does not support free, four-year college for all, saying that while she wished she could make it happen, it was not realistic. Instead, she proposed allowing students to more easily refinance their student loans, making community colleges free, and extending Pell Grants to a wider group of recipients.


Elections

In her announcement speech, Klobuchar said she supported an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. She also advocated restoring the Voting Rights Act and automatic voter registration for every 18 year old U.S. citizen.

Following Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, she introduced legislation in 2017 in the Senate to bring more online communications under the oversight of election law, with the goal of increasing the transparency of online election advertising. It would also require social media companies to maintain more information on advertisement buyers and who they target. The bill was endorsed by both Facebook and Twitter but failed in the Senate.


Foreign policy

Klobuchar committed to standing with allies and having a clear purpose. She said frontline troops, diplomats, and intelligence officers who risk their lives daily "deserve better than foreign policy by tweet."


Healthcare

While Klobuchar has pushed for reductions in healthcare costs, she has not called for an overhaul of the entire system like other 2020 candidates. She has not supported the Medicare-for All plan proposed by 2016 candidate and 2020 candidate Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). She does, however, support a path to universal healthcare, believing a good first step would be a public option, allowing Americans to opt-in to government-run health insurance instead of finding private plans.[17] During the CNN Town Hall, Klobuchar stated that Medicare-for-All "could be a possibility in the future", but she was looking for solutions "that will work now". She said her priorities would be expanding Medicare and Medicaid, improving the ACA, and creating a public option.

During her time in the Senate, Klobuchar has repeatedly pushed for ways to lower the costs of prescription drugs. She has introduced legislation encouraging the development of cheaper, generic versions of name-brand drugs. She has also supported allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of drugs with pharmaceutical companies.


National debt

Klobuchar has cited her concern with the growing national debt as one of her main reasons for opposing proposals such as Medicare-for-All and free college. She said during a CNN Town Hall that she doesn't "want to leave that on the shoulders" of the next generation and specifically called out the Trump Administration for allowing the national debt to grow.


Social issues

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed back on hate and fear mongering, saying

We may come from different places. We may pray in different ways. We may look different, love different, but we all live in the same country of shared dreams.


Technology

During her announcement speech, Klobuchar pushed for strengthening the U.S.'s cyber security and guaranteeing net neutrality nationwide. She also said that by 2022, every U.S. household should be connected to the internet.


Trade

Klobuchar has urged President Trump to quickly renegotiate trade deals and end Chinese tariffs that hurt the agriculture industry in the U.S. She supported Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs.


Not bad, maybe she could gain some traction if all the woke candidates cannibalize each other.

fudge me, there’s actually a few good candidates popping up.


I do quite like Klobuchar, and also Gabbard for what it’s worth. I don’t think either will win the nomination this time though.

I think Harris will win the nomination and lose the election.


Harris is sinking and the DNC hates Bernie. The SOS will go out to Biden if it hasn’t already.


That would be pretty desperate. For all the diversity of the field the SOS goes out to an old white guy?


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Liz Warren it is then?


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It'll be Harris or Brooker in the end but I wish bernie was 20 years younger. He's just too old now


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It'll be Harris or Brooker in the end but I wish bernie was 20 years younger. He's just too old now


Well, he's only 5 years older than the Haunted Apricot Hellbeast. But I guess it's more than a number, he does seem an OLD person.


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