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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:21 pm 
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Birmingham is the second largest city in the England, and possibly the UK with a population above 1 million according to wiki.
Yet the city does not have a union team or a league team in the top tier or the second tier.
In fact the city only has one notable team i.e. Mosely and they are in the 3rd tier.
Also according to wiki, there are no famous rugby players from Birmingham. (Of course wiki could be wrong)
So it seems rugby is not much of a factor in Birmingham. Cricket seems much bigger.
Is this the case?
If so why?


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The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?


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I'd go and check for you, but Trump tells me it's a 'no go zone'

Villa Park had a sellout crowd for Australia v Uruguay, but I suppose they could have been blow ins.


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The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?

Well it's got West Brom, which is practically Birmingham with Villa and Birmingham City in the Championship (for now)


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earl the beaver wrote:
Andalu wrote:
The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?

Well it's got West Brom, which is practically Birmingham with Villa and Birmingham City in the Championship (for now)


Plus Villa gets huge crowds even as they play in the second tier.
Also both Villa and Birmingham city have been in the premiership for many years.

Has Moseley or any team from Birmingham ever been in rugby's top tier?


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Moseley used to be one of the top clubs in the country, reaching a peak around the 70s/80s

They were relegated at the end of the 90/91 season never really recovered, and didn't adapt well to professionalism


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I'd go and check for you, but Trump tells me it's a 'no go zone'

Villa Park had a sellout crowd for Australia v Uruguay, but I suppose they could have been blow ins.

Pretty sure the Donald called it a ‘shithole’.

Wasps are about 15 miles away? Worcester 30 Miles?


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interesting question. As a die-hard Godflesh fan I learned about the city a tiny bit, how it's basically the industrial center of England, lots of blue-collars and 'common' folk and all that, never thought about Rugby+ Birmingham but one would think the spirits of both would be compatible together, on the surface maybe ? I guess they're pure urban area/football oriented, no time for fancy Rugby, so on. I don't know.


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interesting question. As a die-hard Godflesh fan I learned about the city a tiny bit, how it's basically the industrial center of England, lots of blue-collars and 'common' folk and all that, never thought about Rugby+ Birmingham but one would think the spirits of both would be compatible together, on the surface maybe ? I guess they're pure urban area/football oriented, no time for fancy Rugby, so on. I don't know.

No. You don't.


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More than Liverpool, about the same as Manchester. So no, not really.


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More than Liverpool, about the same as Manchester. So no, not really.

More than Liverpool?
Really?


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They dont great have Rugby clubs but they do have the best Curry houses.


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Are Pertemps Bees still around?


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Are Pertemps Bees still around?


Went bust.

Reformed again, playing in something like Midlands 5


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The big industrial cities tend to be football towns. Very hard for rugby clubs to carve out a niche in the shadow of those big football clubs, especially since they had a 100 year headstart in professionalism.... In Birmingham case Villa were one of the giants of the English game in the 19th century.

Rugby's niche is more the mid size towns like Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Exeter etc. who dont boast a powerhouse football team.... I think the same broadly applies in league with Warrington, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield and so on.


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Rupert Moon is from the West Midlands by his accent. Is he actually Brummie?


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free_safety wrote:
Cricket seems much bigger.


All the Indians and Pakistanis y'see...


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Moseley used to be one of the top clubs in the country, reaching a peak around the 70s/80s

They were relegated at the end of the 90/91 season never really recovered, and didn't adapt well to professionalism


Threads like this make me feel REALLY old. I'm Irish and still would have been hugely aware of just how big Mosely were back in the 70's/80's.
Mahoosive.

Sad to see clubs wither.


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The big industrial cities tend to be football towns. Very hard for rugby clubs to carve out a niche in the shadow of those big football clubs, especially since they had a 100 year headstart in professionalism.... In Birmingham case Villa were one of the giants of the English game in the 19th century.

Rugby's niche is more the mid size towns like Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Exeter etc. who dont boast a powerhouse football team.... I think the same broadly applies in league with Warrington, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield and so on.



They won the EPL in 15-16 and currently sit in the top 10. Not quite Man City, Chelsea etc but they are hardly a diddy team.


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Steamin Beamin wrote:
Smee wrote:
The big industrial cities tend to be football towns. Very hard for rugby clubs to carve out a niche in the shadow of those big football clubs, especially since they had a 100 year headstart in professionalism.... In Birmingham case Villa were one of the giants of the English game in the 19th century.

Rugby's niche is more the mid size towns like Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Exeter etc. who dont boast a powerhouse football team.... I think the same broadly applies in league with Warrington, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield and so on.



They won the EPL in 15-16 and currently sit in the top 10. Not quite Man City, Chelsea etc but they are hardly a diddy team.

The won the premier league a year after scrapping to avoid relegation the year they were promoted, they've only been back in the PL for 4 years.


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Christ scrummie, I've played a few invitational sides and got a bit star struck by the odd name, but the names on that invitational list are stellar.


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Moseley used to be one of the top clubs in the country, reaching a peak around the 70s/80s

They were relegated at the end of the 90/91 season never really recovered, and didn't adapt well to professionalism


Threads like this make me feel REALLY old. I'm Irish and still would have been hugely aware of just how big Mosely were back in the 70's/80's.
Mahoosive.

Sad to see clubs wither.



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earl the beaver wrote:
Steamin Beamin wrote:
Smee wrote:
The big industrial cities tend to be football towns. Very hard for rugby clubs to carve out a niche in the shadow of those big football clubs, especially since they had a 100 year headstart in professionalism.... In Birmingham case Villa were one of the giants of the English game in the 19th century.

Rugby's niche is more the mid size towns like Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Exeter etc. who dont boast a powerhouse football team.... I think the same broadly applies in league with Warrington, Wigan, Hull, Huddersfield and so on.



They won the EPL in 15-16 and currently sit in the top 10. Not quite Man City, Chelsea etc but they are hardly a diddy team.

The won the premier league a year after scrapping to avoid relegation the year they were promoted, they've only been back in the PL for 4 years.



So? They are still a fairly big team. You cant compare them to places like Bath and Northampton.


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Are Pertemps Bees still around?


Went bust.

Reformed again, playing in something like Midlands 5

Not quite. They fell from the Championship to National 3 and are currently top of their league
http://www.beesrugby.com/


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Scrummie wrote:
free_safety wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Andalu wrote:
The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?

Well it's got West Brom, which is practically Birmingham with Villa and Birmingham City in the Championship (for now)


Plus Villa gets huge crowds even as they play in the second tier.
Also both Villa and Birmingham city have been in the premiership for many years.

Has Moseley or any team from Birmingham ever been in rugby's top tier?


You’re kidding right?

In the 70’s and early 80’s Moseley were one of the best clubs in the UK. Ninety Six Moseley players have represented their countries, including four as England captain and a number of British Lions.

S.A DOBLE, 3 caps
M.C. TEAGUE, 25 Caps
N.C. JEAVONS, 14 Caps
J.F. BYRNE, 13 Caps
J.F. FINLAN, 13 Caps
N.E. HORTON, 13 Caps
C.W. McFADYEAN, 13 Caps
M.J. COOPER, 11 Caps
J. C. WEBSTER, 11 Caps
M.S LINNETT

I played at Moseley in the mid to late eighties and had the pleasure of playing with the likes of Jeavons, Goodwin and Linnett in the few first team games I played in. As mentioned Moseley didn’t transfer to the professional game very well and ended up loosing the Reddings to developers who bought it off some businessmen who promised the club investment but then sold the ground and sailed off into the sunset never to be seen again. They are now called Birmingham Moseley and their history includes representing Gt. Britain in the 1900 Paris Olympics and providing nine players to defeat the All Blacks in 1972.

My abiding memory as a kid in the seventies was the 77 season when were unbeaten in the first few months of the season before playing a rugby writers 15 for the Sam Doble memorial match at the Reddings. I have a dvd of the match and would love to be able to post it on here. Any ideas how to do that?

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If you don’t want to read the article scroll down to the rugby writers team sheet :o

Following the untimely death of 33-year old Moseley and England fullback Sam Doble in 1977 ‘one of the best Rugby Union teams ever assembled in Britain’ played Moseley in a special memorial match, at The Reddings, on 27th November. The visiting side was composed of 12 members of the 1977 British Isles party together with Gareth Edwards, J.P.R. Williams and Gerald Davies. Such was the interest in the game that it was an 8,500 all ticket sell-out.

On a glorious autumnal afternoon Moseley, who were defending an unbeaten record for the season, had first use of the slope and sun; however, it was the visitors who opened the scoring when Phil Bennett kicked a penalty goal from the 10-yard line. During the first half he uncharacteristically also struck the uprights with two other attempts.

The first try of the afternoon was scored by Terry Cobner, following Peter Wheeler’s strike against the head at a scrum, reportedly the first that Moseley’s Gary Cox had conceded all season. Bennett converted this score but was unable to do so when the invitation side scored a second try following a superb back movement involving Gareth Edwards, Bennett, Gerald Davies and the eventual scorer Andy Irvine.

After half an hour’s play Moseley replied with a try, which was one of the highlights of the match. From a ‘furious’ ruck Martin Cooper looped outside Barrie Corless and Malcolm Swain sent Peter Beddoes over with ‘a beautifully judged long pass’ for a try, which was converted by Cooper.

Thus at half time Moseley were still in contention as they only trailed by six points to 13 and they started the second period with a bang when Clive Meanwell kicked a penalty goal to further narrow the gap between the sides.

From this point, however, the invitation side took control. Edwards sent a clever pass out to Bennett who with ‘dazzling acceleration’ and a trademark side step touched down behind the posts. Then having prevented Irvine from scoring down one wing the Moseley defence were unable to stop Peter Squires getting over in the opposite corner.

Gerald Davies was by now coming into his own and after side steps and dummies, which left potential tacklers grasping at thin air he made a try for Squires, which was followed by Bennett making a try for himself with a successful dummy. The Front Row Union then got involved supporting another run from Davies to set up Tony Neary for a try.

Despite this barrage of scoring Moseley had not given up trying and a Cooper counter attack produced a converted try for Barrie Corless which was followed by the home side’s third try, scored by Meanwell, following another Cooper break.

The final word went to Gerald Davies who touched down a scintillating try from which Bennett landed his fourth conversion. At no side the final tally was four goals, one penalty goal and four tries (43) to two goals, one penalty goal and one try (19) and to quote The Times ‘It was certainly no disgrace whatsoever for Moseley to lose their unbeaten record to a side such as this.’

Those who took part in this memorable occasion were:

MOSELEY- C.A. Meanwell; A. Thomas (rep. A. Watson-Jones), M.K. Swain (rep. L. Cusworth), B.J. Corless, P. Beddoes; M.J. Cooper, C.J. Gifford; T.F. Corless, G.N. Cox, W.H. Greaves, R. Field, B. Ayre, J.C. White, N. Jeavons, D.G. Warren (capt.).

INVITATION XV- J.P.R. Williams (Bridgend and Wales); P.J. Squires (Harrogate and England), T.G.R. Davies (Cardiff and Wales), S.P. Fenwick (Bridgend and Wales), A.R. Irvine (Heriot’s Former Pupils and Scotland); P. Bennett (Llanelli and Wales), G.O. Edwards (Cardiff and Wales); F.E. Cotton (Sale and England), P.J. Wheeler (Leicester and England) (rep. R. Windsor (Pontypool and Wales)), G. Price (Pontypool and Wales), W.B. Beaumont (Fylde and England), A.J. Martin (Aberavon and Wales), T.J. Cobner (Pontypool and Wales) (capt.), D.L. Quinnell (Llanelli and Wales), A. Neary (Broughton Park and England).

Referee: Mr. N. Sansom (Scotland).

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Martin Johnson one of the greatest and possibly the greatest rugby player ever was from the Birmingham area


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SaintK wrote:
Scrummie wrote:
free_safety wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Andalu wrote:
The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?

Well it's got West Brom, which is practically Birmingham with Villa and Birmingham City in the Championship (for now)


Plus Villa gets huge crowds even as they play in the second tier.
Also both Villa and Birmingham city have been in the premiership for many years.

Has Moseley or any team from Birmingham ever been in rugby's top tier?


You’re kidding right?

In the 70’s and early 80’s Moseley were one of the best clubs in the UK. Ninety Six Moseley players have represented their countries, including four as England captain and a number of British Lions.

S.A DOBLE, 3 caps
M.C. TEAGUE, 25 Caps
N.C. JEAVONS, 14 Caps
J.F. BYRNE, 13 Caps
J.F. FINLAN, 13 Caps
N.E. HORTON, 13 Caps
C.W. McFADYEAN, 13 Caps
M.J. COOPER, 11 Caps
J. C. WEBSTER, 11 Caps
M.S LINNETT

I played at Moseley in the mid to late eighties and had the pleasure of playing with the likes of Jeavons, Goodwin and Linnett in the few first team games I played in. As mentioned Moseley didn’t transfer to the professional game very well and ended up loosing the Reddings to developers who bought it off some businessmen who promised the club investment but then sold the ground and sailed off into the sunset never to be seen again. They are now called Birmingham Moseley and their history includes representing Gt. Britain in the 1900 Paris Olympics and providing nine players to defeat the All Blacks in 1972.

My abiding memory as a kid in the seventies was the 77 season when were unbeaten in the first few months of the season before playing a rugby writers 15 for the Sam Doble memorial match at the Reddings. I have a dvd of the match and would love to be able to post it on here. Any ideas how to do that?

Copy and paste article below.

If you don’t want to read the article scroll down to the rugby writers team sheet :o

Following the untimely death of 33-year old Moseley and England fullback Sam Doble in 1977 ‘one of the best Rugby Union teams ever assembled in Britain’ played Moseley in a special memorial match, at The Reddings, on 27th November. The visiting side was composed of 12 members of the 1977 British Isles party together with Gareth Edwards, J.P.R. Williams and Gerald Davies. Such was the interest in the game that it was an 8,500 all ticket sell-out.

On a glorious autumnal afternoon Moseley, who were defending an unbeaten record for the season, had first use of the slope and sun; however, it was the visitors who opened the scoring when Phil Bennett kicked a penalty goal from the 10-yard line. During the first half he uncharacteristically also struck the uprights with two other attempts.

The first try of the afternoon was scored by Terry Cobner, following Peter Wheeler’s strike against the head at a scrum, reportedly the first that Moseley’s Gary Cox had conceded all season. Bennett converted this score but was unable to do so when the invitation side scored a second try following a superb back movement involving Gareth Edwards, Bennett, Gerald Davies and the eventual scorer Andy Irvine.

After half an hour’s play Moseley replied with a try, which was one of the highlights of the match. From a ‘furious’ ruck Martin Cooper looped outside Barrie Corless and Malcolm Swain sent Peter Beddoes over with ‘a beautifully judged long pass’ for a try, which was converted by Cooper.

Thus at half time Moseley were still in contention as they only trailed by six points to 13 and they started the second period with a bang when Clive Meanwell kicked a penalty goal to further narrow the gap between the sides.

From this point, however, the invitation side took control. Edwards sent a clever pass out to Bennett who with ‘dazzling acceleration’ and a trademark side step touched down behind the posts. Then having prevented Irvine from scoring down one wing the Moseley defence were unable to stop Peter Squires getting over in the opposite corner.

Gerald Davies was by now coming into his own and after side steps and dummies, which left potential tacklers grasping at thin air he made a try for Squires, which was followed by Bennett making a try for himself with a successful dummy. The Front Row Union then got involved supporting another run from Davies to set up Tony Neary for a try.

Despite this barrage of scoring Moseley had not given up trying and a Cooper counter attack produced a converted try for Barrie Corless which was followed by the home side’s third try, scored by Meanwell, following another Cooper break.

The final word went to Gerald Davies who touched down a scintillating try from which Bennett landed his fourth conversion. At no side the final tally was four goals, one penalty goal and four tries (43) to two goals, one penalty goal and one try (19) and to quote The Times ‘It was certainly no disgrace whatsoever for Moseley to lose their unbeaten record to a side such as this.’

Those who took part in this memorable occasion were:

MOSELEY- C.A. Meanwell; A. Thomas (rep. A. Watson-Jones), M.K. Swain (rep. L. Cusworth), B.J. Corless, P. Beddoes; M.J. Cooper, C.J. Gifford; T.F. Corless, G.N. Cox, W.H. Greaves, R. Field, B. Ayre, J.C. White, N. Jeavons, D.G. Warren (capt.).

INVITATION XV- J.P.R. Williams (Bridgend and Wales); P.J. Squires (Harrogate and England), T.G.R. Davies (Cardiff and Wales), S.P. Fenwick (Bridgend and Wales), A.R. Irvine (Heriot’s Former Pupils and Scotland); P. Bennett (Llanelli and Wales), G.O. Edwards (Cardiff and Wales); F.E. Cotton (Sale and England), P.J. Wheeler (Leicester and England) (rep. R. Windsor (Pontypool and Wales)), G. Price (Pontypool and Wales), W.B. Beaumont (Fylde and England), A.J. Martin (Aberavon and Wales), T.J. Cobner (Pontypool and Wales) (capt.), D.L. Quinnell (Llanelli and Wales), A. Neary (Broughton Park and England).

Referee: Mr. N. Sansom (Scotland).

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Coventry RFC absolutely annihilated them just before Christmas, are 17 from 18 at the moment :smug:


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Martin Johnson one of the greatest and possibly the greatest rugby player ever was from the Birmingham area


Shirley, Solihull, to be precise, but moved to Leicestershire when he was 7


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Cricket seems much bigger.


All the Indians and Pakistanis y'see...

Partially, but Warwickshire have always been a major cricketing force and Edgbaston the toughest place to play England.

Rugby in Brum - not so much but the area around is pretty strong rugby country. Rugby isn't exactly an urban sport in England.


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Christ scrummie, I've played a few invitational sides and got a bit star struck by the odd name, but the names on that invitational list are stellar.


My mate and I were half back partners at school at the time and we both got to shake our hero’s hands, Edwards and Bennett, after the match :D

Edwards turned up to the match in a Roller in a fur coat! Amateurs my arse.



Hang on a mo - this post is lacking, you need to also say
Where they drank
what you ate
where you went afterwards
vague reference to something Geographical and totally unrelated
not so vague reference to you having a Newer Roller
and how good the #7 was


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Scrummie wrote:
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Christ scrummie, I've played a few invitational sides and got a bit star struck by the odd name, but the names on that invitational list are stellar.


My mate and I were half back partners at school at the time and we both got to shake our hero’s hands, Edwards and Bennett, after the match :D

Edwards turned up to the match in a Roller in a fur coat
! Amateurs my arse.

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Christ scrummie, I've played a few invitational sides and got a bit star struck by the odd name, but the names on that invitational list are stellar.


My mate and I were half back partners at school at the time and we both got to shake our hero’s hands, Edwards and Bennett, after the match :D

Edwards turned up to the match in a Roller in a fur coat
! Amateurs my arse.

:lol: :lol:

Putting a fur coat on a roller is fancy


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Scrummie wrote:
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earl the beaver wrote:
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The real question is why doesn't the 2nd largest city in England have a team in the Premier League?

Well it's got West Brom, which is practically Birmingham with Villa and Birmingham City in the Championship (for now)


Plus Villa gets huge crowds even as they play in the second tier.
Also both Villa and Birmingham city have been in the premiership for many years.

Has Moseley or any team from Birmingham ever been in rugby's top tier?


You’re kidding right?

In the 70’s and early 80’s Moseley were one of the best clubs in the UK. Ninety Six Moseley players have represented their countries, including four as England captain and a number of British Lions.

S.A DOBLE, 3 caps
M.C. TEAGUE, 25 Caps
N.C. JEAVONS, 14 Caps
J.F. BYRNE, 13 Caps
J.F. FINLAN, 13 Caps
N.E. HORTON, 13 Caps
C.W. McFADYEAN, 13 Caps
M.J. COOPER, 11 Caps
J. C. WEBSTER, 11 Caps
M.S LINNETT

I played at Moseley in the mid to late eighties and had the pleasure of playing with the likes of Jeavons, Goodwin and Linnett in the few first team games I played in. As mentioned Moseley didn’t transfer to the professional game very well and ended up loosing the Reddings to developers who bought it off some businessmen who promised the club investment but then sold the ground and sailed off into the sunset never to be seen again. They are now called Birmingham Moseley and their history includes representing Gt. Britain in the 1900 Paris Olympics and providing nine players to defeat the All Blacks in 1972.

My abiding memory as a kid in the seventies was the 77 season when were unbeaten in the first few months of the season before playing a rugby writers 15 for the Sam Doble memorial match at the Reddings. I have a dvd of the match and would love to be able to post it on here. Any ideas how to do that?

Copy and paste article below.

If you don’t want to read the article scroll down to the rugby writers team sheet :o

Following the untimely death of 33-year old Moseley and England fullback Sam Doble in 1977 ‘one of the best Rugby Union teams ever assembled in Britain’ played Moseley in a special memorial match, at The Reddings, on 27th November. The visiting side was composed of 12 members of the 1977 British Isles party together with Gareth Edwards, J.P.R. Williams and Gerald Davies. Such was the interest in the game that it was an 8,500 all ticket sell-out.

On a glorious autumnal afternoon Moseley, who were defending an unbeaten record for the season, had first use of the slope and sun; however, it was the visitors who opened the scoring when Phil Bennett kicked a penalty goal from the 10-yard line. During the first half he uncharacteristically also struck the uprights with two other attempts.

The first try of the afternoon was scored by Terry Cobner, following Peter Wheeler’s strike against the head at a scrum, reportedly the first that Moseley’s Gary Cox had conceded all season. Bennett converted this score but was unable to do so when the invitation side scored a second try following a superb back movement involving Gareth Edwards, Bennett, Gerald Davies and the eventual scorer Andy Irvine.

After half an hour’s play Moseley replied with a try, which was one of the highlights of the match. From a ‘furious’ ruck Martin Cooper looped outside Barrie Corless and Malcolm Swain sent Peter Beddoes over with ‘a beautifully judged long pass’ for a try, which was converted by Cooper.

Thus at half time Moseley were still in contention as they only trailed by six points to 13 and they started the second period with a bang when Clive Meanwell kicked a penalty goal to further narrow the gap between the sides.

From this point, however, the invitation side took control. Edwards sent a clever pass out to Bennett who with ‘dazzling acceleration’ and a trademark side step touched down behind the posts. Then having prevented Irvine from scoring down one wing the Moseley defence were unable to stop Peter Squires getting over in the opposite corner.

Gerald Davies was by now coming into his own and after side steps and dummies, which left potential tacklers grasping at thin air he made a try for Squires, which was followed by Bennett making a try for himself with a successful dummy. The Front Row Union then got involved supporting another run from Davies to set up Tony Neary for a try.

Despite this barrage of scoring Moseley had not given up trying and a Cooper counter attack produced a converted try for Barrie Corless which was followed by the home side’s third try, scored by Meanwell, following another Cooper break.

The final word went to Gerald Davies who touched down a scintillating try from which Bennett landed his fourth conversion. At no side the final tally was four goals, one penalty goal and four tries (43) to two goals, one penalty goal and one try (19) and to quote The Times ‘It was certainly no disgrace whatsoever for Moseley to lose their unbeaten record to a side such as this.’

Those who took part in this memorable occasion were:

MOSELEY- C.A. Meanwell; A. Thomas (rep. A. Watson-Jones), M.K. Swain (rep. L. Cusworth), B.J. Corless, P. Beddoes; M.J. Cooper, C.J. Gifford; T.F. Corless, G.N. Cox, W.H. Greaves, R. Field, B. Ayre, J.C. White, N. Jeavons, D.G. Warren (capt.).

INVITATION XV- J.P.R. Williams (Bridgend and Wales); P.J. Squires (Harrogate and England), T.G.R. Davies (Cardiff and Wales), S.P. Fenwick (Bridgend and Wales), A.R. Irvine (Heriot’s Former Pupils and Scotland); P. Bennett (Llanelli and Wales), G.O. Edwards (Cardiff and Wales); F.E. Cotton (Sale and England), P.J. Wheeler (Leicester and England) (rep. R. Windsor (Pontypool and Wales)), G. Price (Pontypool and Wales), W.B. Beaumont (Fylde and England), A.J. Martin (Aberavon and Wales), T.J. Cobner (Pontypool and Wales) (capt.), D.L. Quinnell (Llanelli and Wales), A. Neary (Broughton Park and England).

Referee: Mr. N. Sansom (Scotland).

Attended the match as well. Unfortunately was too young to see the 1972 game when Moseley and Coventry combined as Midlands West to beat the All Blacks but my dad went. Funny how noone talks about that victory compared to say Llanellis.

Also remember some cracking boxing day derbies gainst Cov.

As mentioned Moseley (and also Coventry) completely f***ed up the transition to professionalism.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:28 pm 
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Saint wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Are Pertemps Bees still around?


Went bust.

Reformed again, playing in something like Midlands 5


Birmingham/Solihull as they are now are having a great season in Midlands Premier (Level 5). Currently top.

Beaten everybody except the mighty 'bach. *





*(Game postponed because of snow) ;)


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Bradwall Boy wrote:
Saint wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Are Pertemps Bees still around?


Went bust.

Reformed again, playing in something like Midlands 5


Birmingham/Solihull as they are now are having a great season in Midlands Premier (Level 5). Currently top.

Beaten everybody except the mighty 'bach. *





*(Game postponed because of snow) ;)


Lost one now ;) :thumbup:


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