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Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:18 am
by BBB
Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:18 am
by SecretAgentMan
Enzedder wrote:Well, if That is rugby now I am not going to pay to watch.
It's rapidly becoming an abomination. May as well rename it Touch Rugby and be done with it.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:18 am
by World Class Phil
guy smiley wrote:
Bindi wrote:If you can’t tackle a bloke without hitting him the head, you can’t tackle him.
That does seem to be upsetting people.
Initial contact was on the shoulder but it was always going to slide up given Crotty was diving down

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:18 am
by Marshall Banana
Nice pass, D-Mac.

I think he's done alright overall. Tough ask away to the champs first up.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:18 am
by Rugby2023
RodneyRegis wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Well, if That is rugby now I am not going to pay to watch.
If only they had tried to do something about contact with the head when you were younger.
:lol:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by Bindi
guy smiley wrote:
Bindi wrote:If you can’t tackle a bloke without hitting him the head, you can’t tackle him.
That does seem to be upsetting people.
I know. Makes the game shitter to watch and play. You can’t have people getting life long brain injuries though. Entertainment isn’t worth it.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by RodneyRegis
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by Hareaway
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:You all wanna go back and see where I said ref will get them home ....

A penalty try ?? Suck my cock
You were also talking about a swinging arm for a tackle that was quite similar.
If you look at the tackle he could not go any lower .. oh it’s you ..

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
JB1981 wrote:
Hareaway wrote:You all wanna go back and see where I said ref will get them home ....

A penalty try ?? Suck my cock
That's the rules not the ref.
By that logic though the Crusaders 3 should have seen red.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by RodneyRegis
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by les@mooloolaba
Looks like the best way to play is run with your upper body horizontal. Get few penalties that way.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by Torquemada 1420
Bindi wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Bindi wrote:If you can’t tackle a bloke without hitting him the head, you can’t tackle him.
That does seem to be upsetting people.
I know. Makes the game shitter to watch and play. You can’t have people getting life long brain injuries though. Entertainment isn’t worth it.
Boxing?

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 am
by Kiwias
Hareaway wrote:You all wanna go back and see where I said ref will get them home ....

A penalty try ?? Suck my cock
I won't, if you don't mind, but I agree it was a harsh call to give a PT and YC.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 am
by Beaver_Shark
Another one :lol:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 am
by Fat Old Git
Safe now. Except from the endless debate about the merits of the current law.

And another intercept try to take the piss. Scoreline blowing out which really isn't what the Chiefs deserve.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 am
by bimboman
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
If it's a penalty then it's clearly a yellow and penalty try,

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 am
by Jim Lahey
D-Mac taken the ref's decision particularly bad :lol:
He's shat the bed 2 or 3 times in the last 2 minutes

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:20 am
by Torquemada 1420
les@mooloolaba wrote:Looks like the best way to play is run with your upper body horizontal. Get few penalties that way.
Certainly implies you should always stoop just before going into contact.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 am
by naki
RodneyRegis wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.
The tackle was on the shoulder and as low as humanly possible

I’ve got no problem with red cards for forceful initial contact with the head

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 am
by Ali's Choice
Damien McKenzie is certainly a work in progress. He's going to do some freakishly good things in the 10 jersey this year but he's also going to make some shocking errors as well.

This scoreline doesn't reflect the game. Tough luck Chiefs fans you didn't deserve this margin.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 am
by SecretAgentMan
guy smiley wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
:lol: I blame the rise of women's rugby. It's ruined the fans.
Bullshit. It's not rugby as I know it... knew it.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:22 am
by Torquemada 1420
bimboman wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
If it's a penalty then it's clearly a yellow and penalty try,
I know what the laws say. They are simply wrong just like any law is when taking absolutely.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:22 am
by RodneyRegis
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
What? That was a high tackle 10 years ago, let alone one. Not really sure what all the tears are for.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by Rugby2023
It's a rout. :o

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by Hareaway
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:You all wanna go back and see where I said ref will get them home ....

A penalty try ?? Suck my cock
You were also talking about a swinging arm for a tackle that was quite similar.
If you look at the tackle he could not go any lower .. oh it’s you ..
:lol: :lol:

You're gonna pollute a few rivers with that attitude.
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by Kiwias
Ali's Choice wrote:Damien McKenzie is certainly a work in progress. He's going to do some freakishly good things in the 10 jersey this year but he's also going to make some shocking errors as well.

This scoreline doesn't reflect the game. Tough luck Chiefs fans you didn't deserve this margin.
Absolutely. it was a cracking game till the PT, though the Chiefs have not helped themselves since then and the Crusaders have really turned the screws.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by BBB
guy smiley wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
:lol: I blame the rise of women's rugby. It's ruined the fans.
I blame fluorescent boots.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by SecretAgentMan
Yeah, I've switched off as well. What's the point in watching this farce?

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am
by Zakar
SecretAgentMan wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
:lol: I blame the rise of women's rugby. It's ruined the fans.
Bullshit. It's not rugby as I know it... knew it.
Cheer up petal.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am
by Maniototo Man
Rugby2023 wrote:It's a rout. :o
I think you mean rort.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am
by naki
Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am
by Kiwias
The Chiefs are going to be a big threat this year but that is a good start for our boys.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am
by Waka Nathan
McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am
by Torquemada 1420
RodneyRegis wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
What? That was a high tackle 10 years ago, let alone one. Not really sure what all the tears are for.
Did you watch any rugby in the last 10 years? I defy you to find a single, similar decision before 2017?

Even if you can, I reckon I could find 10x that number where such an action was hailed as "a brilliant, last ditch tackle".

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am
by Couch
Cheifs look to be losing their Mana early this season.damn those injuries don't look too good.
Re: the penalty try. We'll get used to it folks. Long term injuries is not worth the tough couch potato talk.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am
by Ali's Choice
Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am
by naki
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am
by SecretAgentMan
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.
The law is an ass. Don't be an apologist for an ass.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am
by Marshall Banana
If that was a yellow, then how in the hell did Alaalatoa's swinging arm to McKenzie's head not get a red?

Also, why did the tackle on McKenzie late in the first half not get yellow carded? It was clearly high - the ref even played advantage for it.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am
by Turbogoat
Fark, been trying to watch this on a really really choppy, intermittent internet access. Almost as frustrating as seeing the 2 interecept tries being given away in the last 5 minutes.

Congrats Saders, was a great finish to that game.

Plenty to be happy about from the Chiefs, given how unknown they were going to be this season, but the amount of errors and injuries isn't something that can be sustained.