SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:22 am

bimboman wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
If it's a penalty then it's clearly a yellow and penalty try,

I know what the laws say. They are simply wrong just like any law is when taking absolutely.

RodneyRegis · Post by **RodneyRegis** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:22 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.

What? That was a high tackle 10 years ago, let alone one. Not really sure what all the tears are for.

Rugby2023 · Post by **Rugby2023** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

It's a rout.

Hareaway · Post by **Hareaway** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:You all wanna go back and see where I said ref will get them home ....

A penalty try ?? Suck my cock
You were also talking about a swinging arm for a tackle that was quite similar.
If you look at the tackle he could not go any lower .. oh it’s you ..

You're gonna pollute a few rivers with that attitude.

Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

Kiwias · Post by **Kiwias** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

Ali's Choice wrote:Damien McKenzie is certainly a work in progress. He's going to do some freakishly good things in the 10 jersey this year but he's also going to make some shocking errors as well.

This scoreline doesn't reflect the game. Tough luck Chiefs fans you didn't deserve this margin.

Absolutely. it was a cracking game till the PT, though the Chiefs have not helped themselves since then and the Crusaders have really turned the screws.

BBB · Post by **BBB** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

guy smiley wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined.
I blame the rise of women's rugby. It's ruined the fans.

I blame fluorescent boots.

SecretAgentMan · Post by **SecretAgentMan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

Yeah, I've switched off as well. What's the point in watching this farce?

Zakar · Post by **Zakar** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 am

SecretAgentMan wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined.
I blame the rise of women's rugby. It's ruined the fans.
Bullshit. It's not rugby as I know it... knew it.

Cheer up petal.

Maniototo Man · Post by **Maniototo Man** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am

Rugby2023 wrote:It's a rout.

I think you mean rort.

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am

Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing

Kiwias · Post by **Kiwias** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 am

The Chiefs are going to be a big threat this year but that is a good start for our boys.

Waka Nathan · Post by **Waka Nathan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am

McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am

RodneyRegis wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I'm a Crusaders fan but I think that was a ridiculously harsh call. I'd have been happy with just a penalty.
Yup. There has to be some empathy with the intent and the situation. That was as good a tackle as you could see there. A year ago, he would have been hailed a hero.
What? That was a high tackle 10 years ago, let alone one. Not really sure what all the tears are for.

Did you watch any rugby in the last 10 years? I defy you to find a single, similar decision before 2017?

Even if you can, I reckon I could find 10x that number where such an action was hailed as "a brilliant, last ditch tackle".

guy smiley · Post by **guy smiley** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 am

Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.

Couch · Post by **Couch** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am

Cheifs look to be losing their Mana early this season.damn those injuries don't look too good.
Re: the penalty try. We'll get used to it folks. Long term injuries is not worth the tough couch potato talk.

Ali's Choice · Post by **Ali's Choice** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am

Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am

Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?

Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though

SecretAgentMan · Post by **SecretAgentMan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am

guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.

The law is an ass. Don't be an apologist for an ass.

Marshall Banana · Post by **Marshall Banana** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:26 am

If that was a yellow, then how in the hell did Alaalatoa's swinging arm to McKenzie's head not get a red?

Also, why did the tackle on McKenzie late in the first half not get yellow carded? It was clearly high - the ref even played advantage for it.

Turbogoat · Post by **Turbogoat** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

Fark, been trying to watch this on a really really choppy, intermittent internet access. Almost as frustrating as seeing the 2 interecept tries being given away in the last 5 minutes.

Congrats Saders, was a great finish to that game.

Plenty to be happy about from the Chiefs, given how unknown they were going to be this season, but the amount of errors and injuries isn't something that can be sustained.

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.

No he didn’t

bimboman · Post by **bimboman** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

naki wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined.
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.
The tackle was on the shoulder and as low as humanly possible

I’ve got no problem with red cards for forceful initial contact with the head

to stop the try " I was only as off side as I humanly needed to be"

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

RodneyRegis wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Well, if That is rugby now I am not going to pay to watch.
If only they had tried to do something about contact with the head when you were younger.

It was a game for men then. Mothers cooked the mince on toast

guy smiley · Post by **guy smiley** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am

naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing

It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am

Ali's Choice wrote:Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.

Early doors for both sides and your mob not normally the fastest out of the blocks so any win a good one?

Shrekles · Post by **Shrekles** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am

Ali's Choice wrote:Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.

It blew out in the end but it was a hard fought win - the first and last 20 were good for the crusaders. Very impressed with the Mounga, Crotty and Goodhue midfield. McKenzie had some good runs but was a shit 10.

Hareaway · Post by **Hareaway** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am

guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.

So why go the bullying route over all farmers being polluters ? fudge you you bloody asshole I don’t give you shit over your job but if m fair game for you and Thai guy ?

Happy bullying

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am

bimboman wrote:
naki wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined.
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.
The tackle was on the shoulder and as low as humanly possible

I’ve got no problem with red cards for forceful initial contact with the head

to stop the try " I was only as off side as I humanly needed to be"

Well you’re just being silly now.

JB1981 · Post by **JB1981** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am

Very flattering but a win is a win. Picking up a bonus point could be important later on in the NZ conference.

Maniototo Man · Post by **Maniototo Man** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am

A harsh result for the Chiefs. Didn't deserve to win but didn't deserve to lose with that score line.

les@mooloolaba · Post by **les@mooloolaba** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am

O'Keefe must be cross eyed doesn't know forward from back. Poor showing from him tonight.

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am

guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.

The. Tackler. Did. Not. Make. Contact. At. The. Neck

You’ve moved down from saying it was the head at least. Soon you’ll be at the actual point of contact

Marshall Banana · Post by **Marshall Banana** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am

naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though

Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.

SecretAgentMan · Post by **SecretAgentMan** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am

guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

That's just bollocks. Get a grip, ffs.

guy smiley · Post by **guy smiley** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am

naki wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.
The. Tackler. Did. Not. Make. Contact. At. The. Neck

You’ve moved down from saying it was the head at least. Soon you’ll be at the actual point of contact

the hips? He did well to get so low so quick.

UncleFB · Post by **UncleFB** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am

Quite an enjoyable game until the penalty try. That tackle happens all the time without the same result. If it was any other player than glass Crotty they would have just got back up and carried on, actually I take that Glass Maori Jesus Ngatai would have stayed down too.

Tana was wrong, it is tiddly winks.

World Class Phil · Post by **World Class Phil** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am

guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.

Slow mo showed it didn't start at the neck, initial contact with his arm was to the shoulder.

Yes arguably the defender should have been in better position and would have been more likely to tackle 'legally' but with that quick ball what can you do but make an attempt and hope it comes off?

Like other posters have said, the fact that letting Crotty score instead of going to make the tackle would be less risky is literally the safer option now which makes zero sense.

naki · Post by **naki** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am

Marshall Banana wrote:
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.

Māori Jesus is even shaped more like a block busting 12 now also, he’s piled on some pounds

Doesn’t matter, he’s now injured of course

les@mooloolaba · Post by **les@mooloolaba** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am

guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.

talking shit smiley, tackle started at the upper arm or shoulder. Take your pirate patch off.

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am

Marshall Banana wrote:
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.

You were reading my posts from earlier in this thread