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So this is our home series win against the Aussies since we thumped Bobby Simpson's an Bill Lawry's teams in the '60s after which they refused to play against us.
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Beaver_Shark wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:90/5

Philander allegedly gets both Marsh brothers in the first over of the day.
200 test wickets for him in the process. :thumbup:

Allegedly ....
And of his 204 wickets, 53 are Australian. That's some stat!
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Well, that was a flogging. Not unexpected, mind you. Good win Saffas.
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Well done Proteas. Our captain clearly cheats better than yours.
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saffer13 wrote:Well done Proteas. Our captain clearly cheats better than yours.
Can you imagine the scrutiny next time a Protea has a red ball in his hands in Australia? Cameras from all angles. Might be safer to ask the ump to shine the ball for you.
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Bloutoria wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Well done Proteas. Our captain clearly cheats better than yours.
Can you imagine the scrutiny next time a Protea has a red ball in his hands in Australia? Cameras from all angles. Might be safer to ask the ump to shine the ball for you.
Agreed. Or the batsmen.
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jimmy speights wrote: I guess the only happy Aussie will be Nathan Lyon who started the summer saying he hoped the Aussies could end a few careers...
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Rowdy wrote:
jimmy speights wrote: I guess the only happy Aussie will be Nathan Lyon who started the summer saying he hoped the Aussies could end a few careers...
:lol:
Well let's give Lehman some credit here as well. He mentioned wanting the aussie crowd making a few players cry as well. Crying he wanted....crying he got. :thumbup:
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Beaver_Shark wrote:The margin of 492 runs is the 4th largest in history. The other 3 happened before 1935.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/conten ... 83901.html
For tests won by runs, rather than by an innings.
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saffer13 wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
jimmy speights wrote: I guess the only happy Aussie will be Nathan Lyon who started the summer saying he hoped the Aussies could end a few careers...
:lol:
Well let's give Lehman some credit here as well. He mentioned wanting the aussie crowd making a few players cry as well. Crying he wanted....crying he got. :thumbup:
You guys are a tough crowd

Lehmann said to look how the kiwis play the game in that they do not sledge,etc

He should have focused on how they fight rather seeing how they responded to the last se of two wickets in the first two balls and still held on for the draw
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Chilli wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Olo wrote:Well, that was a monumental waste of time, money and energy.

Glad you Saffas were able to self gratify so furiously over the course of the “test”

:thumbup:
As much as some on here have tried to place the blame for the debacle that has resulted in the withdrawal of the three best Australian batsmnen, I'm not sure that Faf and his minty sweets can be held responsible for that.

Bearing in mind that a full strength Australian side got beaten in both Port Elizabeth and in Capetown, I doubt whether an Australian win here at Wanderers would have been that much of a certainty.

However, as I said some pages back, it does take the gloss off the win.
Much like sandpaper takes the gloss off a cricket ball?

Yes, true. SA no doubt the better side for most of the series. Take nothing away from them.
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Olo wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Olo wrote:Well, that was a monumental waste of time, money and energy.

Glad you Saffas were able to self gratify so furiously over the course of the “test”

:thumbup:
As much as some on here have tried to place the blame for the debacle that has resulted in the withdrawal of the three best Australian batsmnen, I'm not sure that Faf and his minty sweets can be held responsible for that.

Bearing in mind that a full strength Australian side got beaten in both Port Elizabeth and in Capetown, I doubt whether an Australian win here at Wanderers would have been that much of a certainty.

However, as I said some pages back, it does take the gloss off the win.
Much like sandpaper takes the gloss off a cricket ball?

Yes, true. SA no doubt the better side for most of the series. Take nothing away from them.
Cheers.
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New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
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J Man wrote:New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
:((
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J Man wrote:New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
I mean that's nice for bragging rights and all, but that's kind of bullshit.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
J Man wrote:New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
I mean that's nice for bragging rights and all, but that's kind of bullshit.
Why? They are both on 102 points. I don't think there is much between NZ and Aus at the moment myself. Now with Warner and Smith out for a year, I'd rate NZ above them.
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Love the way Shane Warne effortlessly pivots from condemning "hysteria" to advocating "heads must roll on and off the field". :roll:
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True Blue wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
J Man wrote:New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
I mean that's nice for bragging rights and all, but that's kind of bullshit.
Why? They are both on 102 points. I don't think there is much between NZ and Aus at the moment myself. Now with Warner and Smith out for a year, I'd rate NZ above them.
Leaving aside Warner & Smith being out - cause they were in for the vast majority of Aus recent results which determined the ranking - I think Aus still have a better record than NZ in recent tests.

In plain numbers, NZ has a better winning %, but our wins since the start of 2017 have come against Bangladesh, a shit Windies team and an English team that Australia also beat (and more thoroughly). And we haven't played an away test in that entire period.

Aus have more losses, but all are away and other than the one against the Bangas, they're against teams that are bloody hard to win against away (India and SA) and they did manage to pick up at least one win against both.
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Does anyone else read this article from a month ago and after the first test in a different light now??


http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ca-reverse
Starc's swing puts South Africa in reverse

Mitchell Starc roared in to remove the tail AFP
7 Mar, 2018
Daniel Brettig in Durban

Mitchell Starc's reverse-swing will likely remain the most potent bowling weapon on either side in Port Elizabeth, as Australia's coach Darren Lehmann declared he had no problem with seeing the ball reverse inside 20 overs on a slow and abrasive surface in Durban.

Debates over how reverse-swing had been obtained and whether it was done legally had dominated the previous Australian visit to South Africa in 2014. They resulted in a fine for David Warner for accusing AB de Villiers of roughing up the ball with his wicketkeeping gloves to help Dale Steyn bend the ball dangerously in a Proteas win at St George's Park, the same venue for the second Test this time around.

Another slow, low and abrasive surface is expected to help rough the ball up ideally for the form of bowling that comes most naturally to the left-armer Starc, and Lehmann said the spectacle of the late-swerving ball was one of the most arresting sights in Test cricket. "I expect it to happen again," said Lehmann, who is also a member of the ICC's cricket committee. "Both sides are very good exponents of it. Very rarely do you see it happen day one, first session. That means the wicket is really dry.

"Obviously, there are techniques used by both sides to get the ball reverse and that's just the way the game goes. I have no problems with it, simple. You'd have to ask the umpires and ICC about that one [whether it is legal]. I don't mind the ball moving, I have no problems with it at all.

"It makes great viewing as a fan of the game. It's challenging for batters and challenging for bowlers to get it in the right position. If you don't get it in the right position, you saw [on day four] we didn't bowl very well for about two or three hours. It reversed and we couldn't get it right. They scored very heavily, so you've still got to bowl well."

Throughout his career, Starc has worked assiduously on maintaining an upright wrist position behind the ball to encourage conventional swing with the new ball - with devastating effect when he can get it right - but has always had the fallback of reversing the ball with a lower arm from around the wicket to right-hand batsmen.

At Kingsmead in Durban he was able to use this part of his game to shattering effect, taking three wickets in eight balls to help round up South Africa's last five first-innings wickets for 12, and then three wickets in a single over in the second innings to hasten the end of the match after Aiden Markram's admirable resistance.

"Reverse swing is a more natural wrist position for me - it tends to be in the position I get when I get quite lazy and tired at the crease."

"The reversing ball is going all right this season," Starc told SuperSport. "There's may be a little bit of work to do with the new ball and getting a few more early wickets. As a bowling unit, we've done really well. It's nice to put a few in the right spot. To finish off a Test match like that over four and a bit days was pretty pleasing for the group.

"I've done it for a while now so I don't find it too difficult. [Reverse swing] is a more natural wrist position for me - it tends to be in the position I get when I get quite lazy and tired at the crease. When it is reversing, it's pretty natural for me. It's more trying to keep it [wrist] upright when the ball is new and trying to swing it naturally. It [cleaning up the tail] is a good habit to have, hopefully it continues for another three Test matches."

One advantage for the Australians at present is that while the South Africans lack Steyn's reverse-swing expertise - thus leaning heavily on Kagiso Rabada to provide that option - the Australians have three pacemen all adept at reversing the ball, largely due to their background in New South Wales, where many of the pitches are slow and abrasive.

In addition to this, the allround option provided by Mitchell Marsh allows Steven Smith to bring a different bowler into play, and with some help from Tim Paine up to the stumps he was able to secure Markram's wicket on day four - arguably the most vital of the whole match.

"He's been fantastic, hasn't he? He played really well this game," Lehmann said of Marsh. "He got the key wicket yesterday for us, obviously a great catch from Paine. You need that, especially if you're going to play on wickets that reverse. We think Port Elizabeth will be very similar, it was last time. I think that will be the opposite the last two Test matches. You need that extra firepower in a four-Test series when it's so close together.

"He's worked really hard, we saw a lot in his ability early on to give him a really good run at it. He looks more relaxed at the crease as a batsman. He believes he belongs, that's the biggest thing in Test match cricket, to believe you belong at the level. and I thought he played beautifully. He looks more relaxed, ready to go and play a brand of cricket that's going to change games when you need to."

Given the back-to-back schedule of the first two Tests, Lehmann said it was significant that the Australian attack only had to deliver 152 overs against South Africa's 185. "They keep getting 20 wickets and that's what you need to do to win games of cricket. For us, to get 20 here, especially away from home, I was very pleased with the way they went about it," he said.

"They didn't bowl a heap of overs as such, half a day and a day. That's good leading into a short turnaround."

Mitchell Starc's lower-order wickets an be viewed on espn.in (Indian subcontinent only)


I really hope Starc makes a speedy recover from his alledged injury...
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
J Man wrote:New Zealand has moved ahead of Australia in both test and one day rankings :D
I mean that's nice for bragging rights and all, but that's kind of bullshit.
Why? They are both on 102 points. I don't think there is much between NZ and Aus at the moment myself. Now with Warner and Smith out for a year, I'd rate NZ above them.
Leaving aside Warner & Smith being out - cause they were in for the vast majority of Aus recent results which determined the ranking - I think Aus still have a better record than NZ in recent tests.

In plain numbers, NZ has a better winning %, but our wins since the start of 2017 have come against Bangladesh, a shit Windies team and an English team that Australia also beat (and more thoroughly). And we haven't played an away test in that entire period.

Aus have more losses, but all are away and other than the one against the Bangas, they're against teams that are bloody hard to win against away (India and SA) and they did manage to pick up at least one win against both.

Fair enough, but ignoring the fact that the core of the team was just done for cheating (and we all know it wasn't a one off) and that their two best batsmen are off for a year. And add to the fact they just got reamed by South Africa I would suggest that Australia won't be overtaking us next year. Called it first.
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"All Blacks are saintly and clean, unlike filthy Australian cricketers" - Richie McCaw

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12026107
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J Man wrote:"All Blacks are saintly and clean, unlike filthy Australian cricketers" - Richie McCaw

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12026107
If anyone would know, it's St Richie. :nod:
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SecretAgentMan wrote:
J Man wrote:"All Blacks are saintly and clean, unlike filthy Australian cricketers" - Richie McCaw

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12026107
If anyone would know, it's St Richie. :nod:
The cheating Aussies could have used his invisible cloak to hide their antics. :nod:
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Steve Smith's made a statement about his ban.
I would give anything to have this behind me and be back representing my country. But I meant what I said about taking full responsibility as Captain of the team. I won’t be challenging the sanctions. They’ve been imposed by CA to send a strong message and I have accepted them.
:thumbup:

I wonder if Warner will follow suit?
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... -tampering

Warner's f#cked now - good work Steve!
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mabunch78 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... -tampering

Warner's f#cked now - good work Steve!
Snap!
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Rumours abound that Warner has requested full transcripts of CA player interviews relating to the ball tampering saga. That suggests Warner will contest his ban. A dick move, from a dick player, with a dick coach from a dick team.
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vh5150 wrote:Rumours abound that Warner has requested full transcripts of CA player interviews relating to the ball tampering saga. That suggests Warner will contest his ban. A dick move, from a dick player, with a dick coach from a dick team.
Warner should tread carefully. Smith will have the support of his country when he makes his comeback. Warner will not if he keep on like he is now.
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handyman wrote:
vh5150 wrote:Rumours abound that Warner has requested full transcripts of CA player interviews relating to the ball tampering saga. That suggests Warner will contest his ban. A dick move, from a dick player, with a dick coach from a dick team.
Warner should tread carefully. Smith will have the support of his country when he makes his comeback. Warner will not if he keep on like he is now.
Warner doesn't care about Aus cricket any more, he wants to cash in playing IPL.
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vh5150 wrote:Rumours abound that Warner has requested full transcripts of CA player interviews relating to the ball tampering saga. That suggests Warner will contest his ban. A dick move, from a dick player, with a dick coach from a dick team.

He is losing $ 5 million plus - as well as a future in his sport.
Even he is entitled to a defense.
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
vh5150 wrote:Rumours abound that Warner has requested full transcripts of CA player interviews relating to the ball tampering saga. That suggests Warner will contest his ban. A dick move, from a dick player, with a dick coach from a dick team.

He is losing $ 5 million plus - as well as a future in his sport.
Even he is entitled to a defense.
If he takes his medicine now he still has a future in the global game. Contesting could see his long term earning potential squashed. Hopefully his “advisors” help him see the light.
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...and congrats to the Proteas. A super cricket team.
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vh5150 wrote:...and congrats to the Proteas. A super cricket team.
Thanks.




Imagine how Jaque Kallis would have strengthened this team ...

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Much as you all may hate Warner he could be the only one between us and another CA cover up here.
looks to me like deals are being done with the other two and the bowlers and everybody else walk free clear of all of this they just need davey to tow the line and take the major part of the blame. If you were him and others were involved what would you do?
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Crazy Ed wrote:Much as you all may hate Warner he could be the only one between us and another CA cover up here.
looks to me like deals are being done with the other two and the bowlers and everybody else walk free clear of all of this they just need davey to tow the line and take the major part of the blame. If you were him and others were involved what would you do?
He admitted to it. He can’t now turn around and appeal unless he’s trying to get the ban reduced?
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Which country's captain will the Proteas retire next?
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Sandstorm wrote:
Crazy Ed wrote:Much as you all may hate Warner he could be the only one between us and another CA cover up here.
looks to me like deals are being done with the other two and the bowlers and everybody else walk free clear of all of this they just need davey to tow the line and take the major part of the blame. If you were him and others were involved what would you do?
He admitted to it. He can’t now turn around and appeal unless he’s trying to get the ban reduced?

I'm guessing he didn't say it was him alone and the bowlers knew nothing about it.
His bargaining point will be to not to blow the whistle on anybody else which CA probably wouldn't want.
Unfortunately that means Dave is the fall guy which will cost him a lot in reputation which will turn into a lot in lost earnings. He'd be mad not to play hardball here since he is already 90% under the bus.
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Crazy Ed wrote:Much as you all may hate Warner he could be the only one between us and another CA cover up here.
looks to me like deals are being done with the other two and the bowlers and everybody else walk free clear of all of this they just need davey to tow the line and take the major part of the blame. If you were him and others were involved what would you do?

Keep my mouth shut and go with the flow ... Cricket administration must be used to covering uo such shit, let them do their job

Edit : As long as it is profitable, in the long run. (Just read your previous post)
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Crazy Ed wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Crazy Ed wrote:Much as you all may hate Warner he could be the only one between us and another CA cover up here.
looks to me like deals are being done with the other two and the bowlers and everybody else walk free clear of all of this they just need davey to tow the line and take the major part of the blame. If you were him and others were involved what would you do?
He admitted to it. He can’t now turn around and appeal unless he’s trying to get the ban reduced?

I'm guessing he didn't say it was him alone and the bowlers knew nothing about it.
His bargaining point will be to not to blow the whistle on anybody else which CA probably wouldn't want.
Unfortunately that means Dave is the fall guy which will cost him a lot in reputation which will turn into a lot in lost earnings. He'd be mad not to play hardball here since he is already 90% under the bus.
If he played tennis or golf, I'd say "Yeah, go for it and air everyone's dirty laundry!" You could still have a career later.

But he's a member of a team and will have to train/walk onto a field with them at some point down the road. Best not to burn those bridges for a bit of short-term financial gain. Not difficult to run him out every time he bats with Starc or Cummins. :)
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