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Mog The Almighty wrote:Until now, never bothered even clicking on this thread as I have zero to do with the "alt right" and zero interest in them. Imagine my bemusement to see I'd been name-dropped in the OP.

Some people are seriously clueless.

penguin wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Until now, never bothered even clicking on this thread as I have zero to do with the "alt right" and zero interest in them. Imagine my bemusement to see I'd been name-dropped in the OP.

Some people are seriously clueless.

That's exactly what an alt-right poster would say.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

penguin wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Until now, never bothered even clicking on this thread as I have zero to do with the "alt right" and zero interest in them. Imagine my bemusement to see I'd been name-dropped in the OP.

Some people are seriously clueless.

That's exactly what an alt-right poster would say.

What qualifies one as "alt right"?

I suspect having a vaguely original political ideology. As opposed to one that is a carbon copy of some other "team left" or "team right" or "team libertarian" ideology that are so unoriginal and adhere so strictly to same narrow identity-politics group-think definition, that you can easily guess every single view that a person holds by knowing just one of them.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

penguin wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Until now, never bothered even clicking on this thread as I have zero to do with the "alt right" and zero interest in them. Imagine my bemusement to see I'd been name-dropped in the OP.

Some people are seriously clueless.

That's exactly what an alt-right poster would say.

What qualifies one as "alt right"?

I suspect having a vaguely original political ideology. As opposed to one that is a carbon copy of some other "team left" or "team right" or "team libertarian" ideology that are so unoriginal and adhere so strictly to same narrow identity-politics group-think definition, that you can easily guess every single view that a person holds by knowing just one of them.

Seneca of the Night wrote:See this is what I'm talking about.

If you go to this story and watch the video:

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/13/7536655/r ... h-debunked

the most interesting thing is not the subject matter, but the very strange delivery method of the woman narrating it. It turns out it has a name: vocal fry:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... male-voice

So you would think it would be from some valley girl person, but the narration is by this woman:

Spoiler: show

A butch lesbian from Alabama, who mostly writes and blogs about utterly inane rap / hip hop shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOgPk5T1xi0
https://www.filmindependent.org/blog/ex ... e-caswell/

What a fcking mess. None of this will end well.

Waratah wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

penguin wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Until now, never bothered even clicking on this thread as I have zero to do with the "alt right" and zero interest in them. Imagine my bemusement to see I'd been name-dropped in the OP.

Some people are seriously clueless.

That's exactly what an alt-right poster would say.

What qualifies one as "alt right"?

I suspect having a vaguely original political ideology. As opposed to one that is a carbon copy of some other "team left" or "team right" or "team libertarian" ideology that are so unoriginal and adhere so strictly to same narrow identity-politics group-think definition, that you can easily guess every single view that a person holds by knowing just one of them.

There's very little that's original about the guiding philosophy of the alt-right, which is explicitly white-nationalist, incorporating anti-semitism, neo-nazism, nativism and good old fashioned racism dressed up as something virtuous and reactionary. A good example of this is its description by one of its supposed leaders, Richard Spencer, as 'identity politics for whites'. The only thing that is new in that is the spurious idea that it's a response to the growth of identity politics, rather than a thin excuse for good old fashioned racists and bigots to pretend they are something more noble or important than old fashioned racists and bigots.

Mog The Almighty wrote:Yeah well I'm definitely not one of them then. Whatever fat white western people need, it's definitely not an egocentric, identity-driven political movement fighting for their allegedly infringed-upon rights.

Seneca of the Night wrote:See this is what I'm talking about.

If you go to this story and watch the video:

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/13/7536655/r ... h-debunked

the most interesting thing is not the subject matter, but the very strange delivery method of the woman narrating it. It turns out it has a name: vocal fry:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... male-voice

So you would think it would be from some valley girl person, but the narration is by this woman:

Spoiler: show

A butch lesbian from Alabama, who mostly writes and blogs about utterly inane rap / hip hop shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOgPk5T1xi0
https://www.filmindependent.org/blog/ex ... e-caswell/

What a fcking mess. None of this will end well.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Waratah wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Yeah well I'm definitely not one of them then. Whatever fat white western people need, it's definitely not an egocentric, identity-driven political movement fighting for their allegedly infringed-upon rights.

Seneca's not fat.

Very lean at the moment. My 5k Parkrun times are on fire.

MungoMan wrote: Don't think on it too long on it. Life is too short. And fatcat is just a mouthy but thinskinned fúckstick in any event.

Waratah wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Waratah wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Yeah well I'm definitely not one of them then. Whatever fat white western people need, it's definitely not an egocentric, identity-driven political movement fighting for their allegedly infringed-upon rights.

Seneca's not fat.

Very lean at the moment. My 5k Parkrun times are on fire.

I'm offended by that. You imply that by being thin and able to run 5Km that I am not, and that you are somehow better than me. I notice you did not deny being white and western, another implicit condescension. If I were non-white, thin, and fit, then you'd look like a right twat.

Jared Holt
‏ @jaredlholt

Richard Spencer, a leading figure in the "alt-right" movement, says that the alt-right does not actually support free speech, but rather pretends to do so for "radically pragmatic" reasons

paddyor wrote:https://t.co/tsxMVVNCgt

Jared Holt
‏ @jaredlholt

Richard Spencer, a leading figure in the "alt-right" movement, says that the alt-right does not actually support free speech, but rather pretends to do so for "radically pragmatic" reasons

Interesting!

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.

Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.

Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).

In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

fatcat wrote:

MungoMan wrote: Don't think on it too long on it. Life is too short. And fatcat is just a mouthy but thinskinned fúckstick in any event.

And you're supposed to be one of the more intelligent pensioners on here?

I've got very thick skin thank you.

pontifex wrote:America's 'smartest man' on identity politics https://www.quora.com/What-is-Chris-Lan ... y-politics :

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.

Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.

Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).

In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

Santa wrote:

pontifex wrote:America's 'smartest man' on identity politics https://www.quora.com/What-is-Chris-Lan ... y-politics :

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.

Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.

Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).

In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

Jehayzuss.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

Santa wrote:

pontifex wrote:America's 'smartest man' on identity politics https://www.quora.com/What-is-Chris-Lan ... y-politics :

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.

Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.

Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).

In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

Jehayzuss.

I must admit to not fully understanding that, but what I did understand seems totally reasonable to me.

Regarding the last sentence, I find it worrisome that in Sweden, asserting your "Swedishness" is considered "racist" and inappropriate, yet the same people go out of their way to support women walking around in Sweden wearing full burqas on account of accepting a foreign culture. Surely same rules apply? Regarding the "Swedishness", one example is a small pendant I have which I bought at a Viking museum, it's a replica of Mjölnir (Thor's hammer) that was found in a Viking grave. I wore it happily for months until people started telling me "that's racist, you shouldn't wear it". Pretty sad I think. I thought it was cool AF.

Bindi wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

Santa wrote:

pontifex wrote:America's 'smartest man' on identity politics https://www.quora.com/What-is-Chris-Lan ... y-politics :

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.

Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.

Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).

In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

Jehayzuss.

I must admit to not fully understanding that, but what I did understand seems totally reasonable to me.

Regarding the last sentence, I find it worrisome that in Sweden, asserting your "Swedishness" is considered "racist" and inappropriate, yet the same people go out of their way to support women walking around in Sweden wearing full burqas on account of accepting a foreign culture. Surely same rules apply? Regarding the "Swedishness", one example is a small pendant I have which I bought at a Viking museum, it's a replica of Mjölnir (Thor's hammer) that was found in a Viking grave. I wore it happily for months until people started telling me "that's racist, you shouldn't wear it". Pretty sad I think. I thought it was cool AF.

Reminds me of something in the news today.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44220574

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Regarding the "Swedishness", one example is a small pendant I have which I bought at a Viking museum, it's a replica of Mjölnir (Thor's hammer) that was found in a Viking grave. I wore it happily for months until people started telling me "that's racist, you shouldn't wear it". Pretty sad I think. I thought it was cool AF.

That is fcked in the head.

Bindi wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Regarding the "Swedishness", one example is a small pendant I have which I bought at a Viking museum, it's a replica of Mjölnir (Thor's hammer) that was found in a Viking grave. I wore it happily for months until people started telling me "that's racist, you shouldn't wear it". Pretty sad I think. I thought it was cool AF.

That is fcked in the head.

I suspect there may be a few embellishments to that particular story.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Bindi wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Regarding the "Swedishness", one example is a small pendant I have which I bought at a Viking museum, it's a replica of Mjölnir (Thor's hammer) that was found in a Viking grave. I wore it happily for months until people started telling me "that's racist, you shouldn't wear it". Pretty sad I think. I thought it was cool AF.

That is fcked in the head.

I suspect there may be a few embellishments to that particular story.

He didn't mention the horned helmet, battle axe and bear skin suit he turned up to work in as well?

Tschussie wrote:Yeah, accusations of cultural appropriation feel to me like a child in the midst of a tantrum counter-productively smashing their own toys.

Santa wrote:

Tschussie wrote:Yeah, accusations of cultural appropriation feel to me like a child in the midst of a tantrum counter-productively smashing their own toys.

That's a bit unfair. I don't have much truck with it as a concept but there is occasionally a point and some substance to the criticism.

For indigenes, for example, it is the last thing to go in a longer process of more substantial appropriations.

La soule wrote:Which groupuscule has chosen the Thor's hammer as an emblem?

Although its traditional origins are non-racist, and although most Asatruers today are not racist, the Thor's Hammer symbol has been appropriated by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially those who practice racist or white supremacist versions of neo-Norse beliefs under the guise of Odinism or Wotanism. White supremacists will often even create racist versions of the Thor's Hammer, incorporating swastikas or other hate symbols into the decoration.

Man In Black wrote:

Santa wrote:

Tschussie wrote:Yeah, accusations of cultural appropriation feel to me like a child in the midst of a tantrum counter-productively smashing their own toys.

That's a bit unfair. I don't have much truck with it as a concept but there is occasionally a point and some substance to the criticism.

For indigenes, for example, it is the last thing to go in a longer process of more substantial appropriations.

As the pre-eminent Māori of the bored, I wanted to ask your opinion of the Pakeha woman who got a moko tattoo. She did it sincerely, so does that make it ok? Married to a Māori guy too. Bit of a minefield this stuff.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12057551

Tschussie wrote:Haven't those white supremacist types incorporated some Celtic (in the Irish sense) symbols too?

Santa wrote:

Tschussie wrote:Haven't those white supremacist types incorporated some Celtic (in the Irish sense) symbols too?

And trousers. They wear trousers so...

Santa wrote:

Tschussie wrote:Haven't those white supremacist types incorporated some Celtic (in the Irish sense) symbols too?

And trousers. They wear trousers so...

La soule wrote:

La soule wrote:Which groupuscule has chosen the Thor's hammer as an emblem?

Since you Alt right edgy types can answer questions, I had to go on google my self. Pricks.

Here it is:

Although its traditional origins are non-racist, and although most Asatruers today are not racist, the Thor's Hammer symbol has been appropriated by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially those who practice racist or white supremacist versions of neo-Norse beliefs under the guise of Odinism or Wotanism. White supremacists will often even create racist versions of the Thor's Hammer, incorporating swastikas or other hate symbols into the decoration.

Spoiler: show

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLatsbrah

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This is a channel dedicated to how glorious and magnificent I am.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

La soule wrote:

La soule wrote:Which groupuscule has chosen the Thor's hammer as an emblem?

Since you Alt right edgy types can answer questions, I had to go on google my self. Pricks.

Here it is:

Although its traditional origins are non-racist, and although most Asatruers today are not racist, the Thor's Hammer symbol has been appropriated by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially those who practice racist or white supremacist versions of neo-Norse beliefs under the guise of Odinism or Wotanism. White supremacists will often even create racist versions of the Thor's Hammer, incorporating swastikas or other hate symbols into the decoration.

Well, this is the thing ... are they actually racist?

There is definitely a weird group that "pretends" to worship the old gods and tries to live their life according to those paganish beliefs, and they are proud of their ancestry. It's all about respect,honour, being powerful, pride in yourself and all that. But like I said, anything that is "proud of being Swedish" is considered racist here. So people who absolutely revel in their Swedishness and their Swedish ancestary are obviously "super racists", right? Well, maybe. But also maybe not.

Having said that, there are real racists in Sweden, just like there is everywhere. And I'm sure there is some of those "Odinism" type guys who are actually really racist. But I don't think it's the majority. I think mostly they're just weirdos.

I've listened a little bit to this guy, "The Golden One". Disclaimer: I am definitely not a right-wing nationalist, I've just listened to some of his videos more out of a kind of bizarre fascination. He's not stupid but he's pretty odd and he's a super-nationalist, Old-Gods, "modern Viking" type guy and he constantly gets called a racist by the Swedish media, etc. The thing is, I haven't actually heard him express any genuinely racist view. Which doesn't mean he hasn't or doesn't. It just means if he has, I haven't yet heard it. So is this what they're talking about when they say "white supremacist"? I dunno. Maybe. Maybe he is. He's definitely "different".

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLatsbrah

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La soule wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

La soule wrote:

La soule wrote:Which groupuscule has chosen the Thor's hammer as an emblem?

Since you Alt right edgy types can answer questions, I had to go on google my self. Pricks.

Here it is:

Although its traditional origins are non-racist, and although most Asatruers today are not racist, the Thor's Hammer symbol has been appropriated by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially those who practice racist or white supremacist versions of neo-Norse beliefs under the guise of Odinism or Wotanism. White supremacists will often even create racist versions of the Thor's Hammer, incorporating swastikas or other hate symbols into the decoration.

Well, this is the thing ... are they actually racist?

There is definitely a weird group that "pretends" to worship the old gods and tries to live their life according to those paganish beliefs, and they are proud of their ancestry. It's all about respect,honour, being powerful, pride in yourself and all that. But like I said, anything that is "proud of being Swedish" is considered racist here. So people who absolutely revel in their Swedishness and their Swedish ancestary are obviously "super racists", right? Well, maybe. But also maybe not.

Having said that, there are real racists in Sweden, just like there is everywhere. And I'm sure there is some of those "Odinism" type guys who are actually really racist. But I don't think it's the majority. I think mostly they're just weirdos.

I've listened a little bit to this guy, "The Golden One". Disclaimer: I am definitely not a right-wing nationalist, I've just listened to some of his videos more out of a kind of bizarre fascination. He's not stupid but he's pretty odd and he's a super-nationalist, Old-Gods, "modern Viking" type guy and he constantly gets called a racist by the Swedish media, etc. The thing is, I haven't actually heard him express any genuinely racist view. Which doesn't mean he hasn't or doesn't. It just means if he has, I haven't yet heard it. So is this what they're talking about when they say "white supremacist"? I dunno. Maybe. Maybe he is. He's definitely "different".

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLatsbrah

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I don't know. That's why I asked the question. The symbol, according to some random link on google, appear to have been adopted by racist/supremacist groups.

As mentioned by Tschussie, the same appropriation of symbols has happened in other locations. Which what those Swedes were most likely trying to tell you.