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Tbf, just like Froome in 2014, Porte's crash happened before the peloton actually reached the cobbles.

Not that pre-pavé nerves wouldn't have played a part, but you can't really blame the cobbles for that incident.

The cobbles can make seemingly random selections, but if you have the strength and support to stay near the front, you can minimize the impact of what bad luck you encounter. So Sky massing at the front today means anything that happens to Froome or G will be less of a problem than the punctures TJ and Bardet just had.
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DOB wrote:Tbf, just like Froome in 2014, Porte's crash happened before the peloton actually reached the cobbles.

Not that pre-pavé nerves wouldn't have played a part, but you can't really blame the cobbles for that incident.

The cobbles can make seemingly random selections, but if you have the strength and support to stay near the front, you can minimize the impact of what bad luck you encounter. So Sky massing at the front today means anything that happens to Froome or G will be less of a problem than the punctures TJ and Bardet just had.
The problem is you have 20 teams all trying to be on the front before each pavé section.

Might be 'fairer' to have a TT or TTT stage over the cobbles to prevent the nonsense
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blindcider wrote: The problem is you have 20 teams all trying to be on the front before each pavé section.
Well, umm, yeah, I would say that's rather the point of having them in the race.
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i'd say the riders have a better sense of a stage getting too dangerous, the peloton has neutralized some big tours stages in the past
seems ok so far
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No word of Martin, Zakarin, Uran of late.
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Landa falls over.
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DOB wrote:No word of Martin, Zakarin, Uran of late.
Pretty sure Martin's in the peloton with the Yellow and Green. I think Zakarin is in the third group behind that while Uran is coming through the convoy with two team mates after getting caught out with a crash and they'll catch the Landa group any minute, somewhere close behind the 3rd bunch.
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Strangely, they keep falling on the road sections and not the pave.
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Beaver_Shark wrote:Strangely, they keep falling on the road sections and not the pave.
As said before, the real fight with the cobbles is to get into position ahead of the next sector.
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DOB wrote:No word of Martin, Zakarin, Uran of late.
Pretty sure Martin's in the peloton with the Yellow and Green. I think Zakarin is in the third group behind that while Uran is coming through the convoy with two team mates after getting caught out with a crash and they'll catch the Landa group any minute, somewhere close behind the 3rd bunch.
Yeah, just after I said that they started showing Uran.

Dumoulin working on the front with Sagan, GvA and Movistar.
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Dan Martin gets 1 second back from the time lost yesterday.
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brilliant day to watch
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van Avermaet, Lampaert and Stuyven off the front with a big gap and 1 sector to go. I can see them not being caught.

Not Stuyven, Degenkolb. Would be a brilliant story for him to take this one.
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DOB wrote:van Avermaet, Lampaert and Stuyven off the front with a big gap and 1 sector to go. I can see them not being caught.
They're making time... although Sagan's doing his 'I'm not doing it' routine by the look of it.
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Bardet flat again. Jesus.
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Sagan trying to bridge across with 2 Quicksteps and a Trek on his wheel.
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Missing this cos I'm at a BBQ in advance of the match. Sounds like a bonkers stage, been following it on the tracker. Who hasn't crashed or had a mechanical?
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Degenkolb unleashes the Sprint :lol: :thumbup:

Now we wait to see the damage
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Bullettyme wrote:Missing this cos I'm at a BBQ in advance of the match. Sounds like a bonkers stage, been following it on the tracker. Who hasn't crashed or had a mechanical?
Dan Martin!

You can really see on Degenkolb's face how much the win meant to him.


Uran lost big on GC.

G into virtual yellow, followed by Jungels, Valverde, Majka, Fuglsang, Froome, Yates, Landa.
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G into virtual yellow,
:?: You predicting here?
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guy smiley wrote:
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G into virtual yellow,
:?: You predicting here?
He's in 2nd. No way GvA survives to Grand Bornand on Tuesday, but I can't see G losing significant time to anyone.
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DOB wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
DOB wrote:
G into virtual yellow,
:?: You predicting here?
He's in 2nd. No way GvA survives to Grand Bornand on Tuesday, but I can't see G losing significant time to anyone.
The way the race has unfolded so far I wouldn't want to try any predictions :nod:

but yeah. BMC have the look of a team shot to bits aside from GVA tonight. I wonder how they'll regroup.
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guy smiley wrote:
DOB wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
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G into virtual yellow,
:?: You predicting here?
He's in 2nd. No way GvA survives to Grand Bornand on Tuesday, but I can't see G losing significant time to anyone.
The way the race has unfolded so far I wouldn't want to try any predictions :nod:

but yeah. BMC have the look of a team shot to bits aside from GVA tonight. I wonder how they'll regroup.
GVA looks completely unphased. "Disappointing day today, Greg?" "Yeah, really disappointed to miss out on the stage win, but happy to keep the jersey." "And Richie..?" "What? Oh, shit, yeah, really disappointed about Richie too, thanks for reminding me."
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Fabulous day of racing. Crashes everywhere, breaks, recoveries, tactics... It was great!
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Absolutely delighted for Degenkolb. What a horrendous, edge of the seat, day of racing.
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BlackMac wrote:Absolutely delighted for Degenkolb. What a horrendous, edge of the seat, day of racing.
Aye. There was a bit of dust in the room when he was giving his interview. Absolutely delighted for the guy. The stage was a bit of a crap shoot for the GC contenders. Awful for Porte, again. I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.

Can't wait for the real selection to start on Tuesday.
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DOB wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Missing this cos I'm at a BBQ in advance of the match. Sounds like a bonkers stage, been following it on the tracker. Who hasn't crashed or had a mechanical?
Dan Martin!

You can really see on Degenkolb's face how much the win meant to him.


Uran lost big on GC.

G into virtual yellow, followed by Jungels, Valverde, Majka, Fuglsang, Froome, Yates, Landa.
Still haven't watched the stage but pretty interesting viewing for the GC. Landa and Valverde still up there which is probably headache for Movistar. Nibali and Dumoulin not too far off either. As you say after yesterday Dan will be happy-ish he didn't lose anything else.
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As I am only a grand tour watcher of cycling, I don't know enough to have any prediction who are in the top 10 contenders (maybe just top 5), so asking the bored's advice. Has Geraint Thomas any chance of winning this or will Froome et al kill him in the Alps then Pyrenees?

Separately, two more questions:

Do they always climb the Alps first then Pyrenees in Le Tour?
When did Contador retire? I missed that. Was he considered a major doper and lucky to get away with limited penalties or just unlucky?
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LandOTurk wrote:As I am only a grand tour watcher of cycling, I don't know enough to have any prediction who are in the top 10 contenders (maybe just top 5), so asking the bored's advice. Has Geraint Thomas any chance of winning this or will Froome et al kill him in the Alps then Pyrenees?
G will not win the Tour. Froome won't kill him, as they're teammates, but he will have to do a lot of work for Froome, at which point Quintana, Landa, Dumoulin et al will kill him.
Separately, two more questions:

Do they always climb the Alps first then Pyrenees in Le Tour?
No. Traditionally the route has alternated from year to year between going clockwise around France or anti-clockwise. With the caveat that it can be tricky to incorporate the Massif Central. And that occasionally the whole clockwise/anti thing gets tossed out completely. Oh, and in 1992 they started in Spain, and then pretty much bypassed the Pyrenees altogether.
When did Contador retire? I missed that. Was he considered a major doper and lucky to get away with limited penalties or just unlucky?
Contador retired at the end of last season. He won the final mountain stage of the Vuelta as his last race. Opinion on him varies; he has devoted fans, and at the same time there are those for whom any positive test is a line in the sand.
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Gospel wrote:
BlackMac wrote: I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.

Amazing the way Bardet is allowed to use the cars and Moto's to get back on the peleton every time he has a fall or a mechanical. A few days a go he drafted one of the mini's for a few km. When Dan Martin was chasing back on Saturday they pulled all the cars & moto's out. Home advantage must be a great help.
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Sundy wrote:
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BlackMac wrote: I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.

Amazing the way Bardet is allowed to use the cars and Moto's to get back on the peleton every time he has a fall or a mechanical. A few days a go he drafted one of the mini's for a few km. When Dan Martin was chasing back on Saturday they pulled all the cars & moto's out. Home advantage must be a great help.
It's not cut and dried though... the cars have to pull out when the gap between leaders and chasing group is 30 secs... likewise yesterday on the cobbles there was no drafting in the convoy. Riders are able to draft through the convoy to get back on when they've had a mechanical or crash, but if they've been dropped and are trying to get back on then that's normally a no-no. You have to understand there are differing circumstances governing all of that at any one time, it's not a consistent situation.
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Gospel wrote:
BlackMac wrote:Absolutely delighted for Degenkolb. What a horrendous, edge of the seat, day of racing.
Aye. There was a bit of dust in the room when he was giving his interview. Absolutely delighted for the guy. The stage was a bit of a crap shoot for the GC contenders. Awful for Porte, again. I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.
It was Paris-Roubaix in the middle of the Tour, amazing stuff of legends, what a stage.

Bardet's bike was fine but he suffered 3 (!!!) punctures, the last one at the worst moment. Thanks to team mates and amazing legs yesterday (he was feeling so good he even attacked before the last puncture), he lost minimal amount of time.
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Yesterday I went in the Basque country with my local club there and the road captain took us along almost all of the time trial St Pée - Espelette which they are going to do on the penultimate stage. It's very hilly, there are a few very steep ramps (I had to be on 34x28 at some point), it's going to be a very tough TT a day before Paris.
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Xupi wrote:
Gospel wrote:
BlackMac wrote:Absolutely delighted for Degenkolb. What a horrendous, edge of the seat, day of racing.
Aye. There was a bit of dust in the room when he was giving his interview. Absolutely delighted for the guy. The stage was a bit of a crap shoot for the GC contenders. Awful for Porte, again. I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.
It was Paris-Roubaix in the middle of the Tour, amazing stuff of legends, what a stage.

Bardet's bike was fine but he suffered 3 (!!!) punctures, the last one at the worst moment. Thanks to team mates and amazing legs yesterday (he was feeling so good he even attacked before the last puncture), he lost minimal amount of time.
He seemed to have a lot of flats, I was wondering if they had set his bike up with very low tire pressures (compared to the normal lower pressure for cobbles) and he was getting a lot of pinch flats? Either way he (and his team) did very well to recover each time, if he takes those legs into the third week he will be a real threat.
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Xupi wrote:
Gospel wrote:
BlackMac wrote:Absolutely delighted for Degenkolb. What a horrendous, edge of the seat, day of racing.
Aye. There was a bit of dust in the room when he was giving his interview. Absolutely delighted for the guy. The stage was a bit of a crap shoot for the GC contenders. Awful for Porte, again. I couldn't believe how many times Bardet had to fix his bike. He must have chased back on at least four times.
It was Paris-Roubaix in the middle of the Tour, amazing stuff of legends, what a stage.

Bardet's bike was fine but he suffered 3 (!!!) punctures, the last one at the worst moment. Thanks to team mates and amazing legs yesterday (he was feeling so good he even attacked before the last puncture), he lost minimal amount of time.
Silvan Dillier was just about the perfect teammate you would want in such a crisis. The man almost won Roubaix this year.

Having said that, Bardet himself seems pretty accomplished on the "off-road" stuff for a guy known as a pure climber. I couldn't believe how good he was at Strade Bianche this year.
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Supposedly a big part of why Bardet got back on after his last flat was that Oliver Naessen, former. Belgian champ, was in the Landa group that caught him. Naessen had been sitting in the wheels for a while and was essentially a pair of very strong fresh legs.
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I'd say Thomas to take the yellow, and then it's like with the Yates brothers, can he hold for 3 weeks in a GT and up the highest mountain stages? that's still an unknown for this type of riders.

But it could equally be an outsider, good climber, who takes part in an early getaway.

I don't know how SKY will play this one and how they will find the balance between Thomas and Froome. They may try and preserve Froome from all the negative pressure around him, have Thomas as their main leader for the Alps, and see how Froome's form is in the last week.

I have a feeling this Tour will be epic, a few very special stages.
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Scrummie wrote:Positions 2 - 10 on GC can all climb.

Who’s in yellow tomorrow evening?

Sky team orders should be straight forward or will they allow GT to consolidate? Doubt it though.
I can see GVA hanging on. There’s 2tough summit finishes to come after tomorrow, so it might not be in anyone’s interest to make it too hard tomorrow.

If he can’t hang, G will probably take yellow.
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Scrummie wrote:Positions 2 - 10 on GC can all climb.

Who’s in yellow tomorrow evening?

Sky team orders should be straight forward or will they allow GT to consolidate? Doubt it though.
They are still protecting Thomas and Froome by all accounts so he should be able to consolidate.

They are wary about Froomes recovery from the Giro and with Thomas in Yellow that opens up some interesting tactical options for Froome to take a flier.

Very few genuine GC contenders have had a trouble free first week despite how boring some of the stages have been
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Gee I don't know DOB. GVA can climb a bit, yes, but I cant see him defending 43sec on a stage with a HC and 3x Cat 1 climbs.



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GC:
1 VAN AVERMAET, Greg (BMC) 36:07:17
2 THOMAS, Geraint (SKY) + 43
3 GILBERT, Philippe (QST) + 44
4 JUNGELS, Bob (QST) + 50
5 VALVERDE, Alejandro (MOV) + 1:31
6 MAJKA, Rafal (BOH) + 1:32
7 FUGLSANG, Jakob (AST) + 1:33
8 FROOME, Chris (SKY) + 1:42
9 YATES, Adam (MTS)
10 LANDA MEANA, Mikel (MOV)
11 KRAGH ANDERSEN, Søren (SUN) + 1:43
12 NIBALI, Vincenzo (TBM) + 1:48
13 ROGLIČ, Primož (TLJ) + 1:57
14 MOLLEMA, Bauke (TFS) + 1:58
15 DUMOULIN, Tom (SUN) + 2:03
16 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (TLJ) + 2:06
17 BARDET, Romain (ALM) + 2:32
18 BARGUIL, Warren (FST) + 2:37
19 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (TKA) + 2:42
20 POZZOVIVO, Domenico (TBM) + 2:48
21 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOV) + 2:50
22 URAN, Rigoberto (EFD) + 2:53
23 SAGAN, Peter (BOH) + 3:08
24 MARTIN, Daniel (UAD) + 3:22
25 ROLLAND, Pierre (EFD) + 4:21
26 NIEVE ITURRALDE, Mikel (MTS) + 4:41
27 CHAVANEL, Sylvain (TDE) + 4:42
28 CALMEJANE, Lilian (TDE) + 5:01
29 PAUWELS, Serge (DDD) + 5:12
30 VAN GARDEREN, Tejay (BMC) + 6:05
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