Sayings or phrases that no longer have a modern relevance.

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Kiwias wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Zakar wrote:To hem and haw.
Sounds like a broken record
Cc in emails (is anyone here old enough to have carbon copied a memo?)
Why?

And Yes, to the question in parentheses.
The majority of people in the workforce will not know what carbon copying is unless it has come up as a piece of trivia. So it wouldn't be immediately obvious why you would 'cc' someone in an email.
:blush: :blush:
I actually just right now realised that CC stands for Carbon Copied.
:blush: :blush:
Same here.
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Nolanator wrote:Brass monkeys (and variations) in reference to cold weather is another oddity that has long outlived it's original meaning. Although, it's not a phrase I'd expect to hear used by most people under the age of 40.
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Spyglass wrote:
sim_in_mel wrote:
Womack wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
sim_in_mel wrote:'Balls Out'

Reference to removing the balance balls in an engine distributor, to allow the engine to rev faster........
:o

I did not know that :thumbup: and I did my time back when points and manual timing were a thing.
I'm often dubious about these apparently logical/literal explanations for words or phrases - like the classic example of 'posh' with its various explanations, or 'pom'. In all cases, it just seems much more likely to me that some verbally inventive individual spontaneously came up with a word or phrase that perfectly captured the essence of the thing it was describing and so caught on.

In the case of 'balls out', I suppose I will allow that the original use may have been as SiM describes but even in an age where engineering knowledge was more widespread, I'd bet dollars to o-rings it very soon lost its original meaning amongst almost anyone using it in a general sense to mean maximum effort/speed.
Well I was wrong.... Funny how stories get about, but the original saying comes from:

balls out
This refers to the governor on a steam engine. Two heavy balls are attached to the engine so that as engine speed increases, the centrifigal force of the flywheel causes the balls to rise. As the balls top out, they govern (limit) the engine, thereby controlling maximum engine speed. "Balls out," then, refers to running the engine at maximum speed.

But I am sure there was something similar in the distributor....

Hence 'balls out' meaning going as fast as you can, or hard study etc.
You are correct regarding the bob weights on a centrifugal governor with a slight refinement that the balls (bob weights) move outwards due to centrifugal forces and operate a linkage connected to a fuel/steam admission valve.

The weights you are referring to in an old style mechanical distributor control the advance of the ignition spark relative to engine speed to maintain correct ignition timing.
I think I seem to remember reading many moons ago that when motor racing removing these weights some how let the engine go faster.
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Also I seem to know a lot of old phrases that are now not pc, and people get upset if spoken aloud
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sim_in_mel wrote:Also I seem to know a lot of old phrases that are now not pc, and people get upset if spoken aloud
This

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sim_in_mel wrote:
I think I seem to remember reading many moons ago that when motor racing removing these weights some how let the engine go faster.
You could play around with spring tension and less or more weight to crudely adjust the timing advance so if you were running high octane fuel then it would add another element to fine tuning... I thought your suggestion would fit with that. I remember my grandmother asking me if I rode my bike down the hill from her place fast and my unfortunate slip of the tongue reply was

'yeah, full tit'

which didn't go down well.
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Under the cosh

Rule of thumb


And lots from the age of sail, with the less obvious ones (for me anyway) ...

By and large

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'Slush' in a naval context being the fat that floated to the surface when seething the salt pork, which had various applications both official and unofficial and was going to guarded jealously by the ship's cook as his source of wealth and influence.

At least if I remember my Patrick O'Brien correctly...
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Womack wrote:'Slush' in a naval context being the fat that floated to the surface when seething the salt pork, which had various applications both official and unofficial and was going to guarded jealously by the ship's cook as his source of wealth and influence.

At least if I remember my Patrick O'Brien correctly...
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Sandstorm wrote:
Zakar wrote:Is the phrase 'balls out' related to the sinilar phrase 'balls to the wall' ?
Balls to the Wall comes from those circus stunt motorbike riders.
My understanding was that it came from pilots. The airplane's throttle levers had balls on top of them.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/balls+to+the+wall
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“It’s coming home”
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Plato'sCave wrote:“It’s coming home”
Ha. Was just about to post that as well.
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Edit .....Too late
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Plato'sCave wrote:“It’s coming home”

You are a bad man and will go to hell in a handcart....... :)
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Couldn’t resist :blush:
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sim_in_mel wrote:
I think I seem to remember reading many moons ago that when motor racing removing these weights some how let the engine go faster.
Nope, if you removed the distributor weights the engine would rev slower not faster due to pre-ignition (combustion triggered by compression/heat and not spark timing)
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