Re: The Official Nurmagomedov v McGregor UFC229 mega fight !
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:42 pm
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I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.Homer wrote:Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....Mog The Almighty wrote:The Native wrote:Khabib also rocked Conor with that overhand right. McGregor's stand up had virtually no influence on the fight and that includes the third round which was largely fought on foot.Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
I think I will go with these guys generally doing their best with their conditioning and some just being better than others in that departmentkiwinoz wrote:Mog The Almighty wrote: I think you're just wrong on several levels.Chael Sonnon says Khabib's conditioning is absolutely awesome and Mog knows shitMog The Almighty wrote: Khabib's conditioning is nothing to write home about
Not with me it doesn't. Just means you are a recent blow in. Besides, I'm disagreeing with what you said, not questioning your workout choices.Mog The Almighty wrote:I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.Homer wrote:Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....Mog The Almighty wrote:Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
He had a poor fight against Iaquinta, yet still comfortably outstruck him. Iaquinta himself said that Khabib's stand up was good/awkward and pre UFC 229 questioned whether McGregor would find it easy to hit him. Still, you think he's made a miraculous improvement, despite thinking this isn't really possible.His stand up defence was so bad against Iaquinta it's not funny. He was walking in with his chin up, leaning back to avoid punches with his chin way up in the air, etc. It was total rubbish. I think it was Joe Rogan who said that it was like he'd never trained in any striking at all, and was later forced to apologize to Khabib's camp for the "inappropriate commentary". Khabib's own corner were screaming at him to stop trying to stand up and take the guy down. He was lucky not to get knocked-out by a third-choice ring in during the biggest fight of his life, and the reason he gave after the fight is that he had "probably watched a few too many Muhummud Ali fights before the bout". Now I'm sure he worked hard on all that after the Iaquinta fight. FFS he had to, it was exposed as such a glaring weakness. But there's only so good you can get at striking at age 30 in ~six months!!
I've seen all his fights since Tavares. I'll let others decide who is speaking bollocks here....remembering you said this 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'So you say you know what you're talking about, but it really looks like you haven't even watched more than one Khabib fight (i.e. the last one). Because the one just before that would demonstrate more than adequately that "weapons grade bollocks" it most certainly is not.
To add a disclaimer that I shouldn't really have to ... none of these guys have "poor striking skills" compared to your average joe at the pub. Obviously he's a "good boxer" compared to the average bloke. In the OP of this very thread I myself listed "western boxing" as part of his arsenal. But it's really not good relatively speaking, and if you watched more than one of his fights, you'd know that to be self-evidently true.
That's very old. Conor has a lot of good things to say about Khabib in the past.guy smiley wrote:
Whatever mate. I couldn't care what you think.Homer wrote:Not with me it doesn't. Just means you are a recent blow in. Besides, I'm disagreeing with what you said, not questioning your workout choices.Mog The Almighty wrote:I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.Homer wrote:Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....Mog The Almighty wrote:Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
He had a poor fight against Iaquinta, yet still comfortably outstruck him. Iaquinta himself said that Khabib's stand up was good/awkward and pre UFC 229 questioned whether McGregor would find it easy to hit him. Still, you think he's made a miraculous improvement, despite thinking this isn't really possible.His stand up defence was so bad against Iaquinta it's not funny. He was walking in with his chin up, leaning back to avoid punches with his chin way up in the air, etc. It was total rubbish. I think it was Joe Rogan who said that it was like he'd never trained in any striking at all, and was later forced to apologize to Khabib's camp for the "inappropriate commentary". Khabib's own corner were screaming at him to stop trying to stand up and take the guy down. He was lucky not to get knocked-out by a third-choice ring in during the biggest fight of his life, and the reason he gave after the fight is that he had "probably watched a few too many Muhummud Ali fights before the bout". Now I'm sure he worked hard on all that after the Iaquinta fight. FFS he had to, it was exposed as such a glaring weakness. But there's only so good you can get at striking at age 30 in ~six months!!
I've seen all his fights since Tavares. I'll let others decide who is speaking bollocks here....remembering you said this 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateurSo you say you know what you're talking about, but it really looks like you haven't even watched more than one Khabib fight (i.e. the last one). Because the one just before that would demonstrate more than adequately that "weapons grade bollocks" it most certainly is not.
To add a disclaimer that I shouldn't really have to ... none of these guys have "poor striking skills" compared to your average joe at the pub. Obviously he's a "good boxer" compared to the average bloke. In the OP of this very thread I myself listed "western boxing" as part of his arsenal. But it's really not good relatively speaking, and if you watched more than one of his fights, you'd know that to be self-evidently true.
Who are you quoting there? I think the problem with Ali is most remember the faded, overweight 1976 version.obelixtim wrote:Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
It's almost certainly trueYOYO wrote:I read somewhere that more complete sparring footage of their knock is going to be part of a new Netflix docu. Not sure if true.Anonymous. wrote:Malignaggi v McGregor you know it's going to happen
I’m even using McGregor lingo now.
obelixtim wrote:Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Compared to McGregor, he's very well rounded. He stood with the "best striker*" in UFC history and wobbled him, even gave him a Compton slap and was not in trouble once.Anonymous. wrote:I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it
Yea, the defensive grappling in Round 1 took so much out of McGregor that the snap and sharpness went out of his game for the rest of the fight. Nurmagomedov recovered much better, took much less out of him, but then that's his game.The Native wrote:His crucial mistake is that he didn't train hard or well enough to counter or at least effectively combat Khabib's ground game. He also has dire cardio, by comparison, and the desire/motivation was lacking. But he's a tapper if he can't land a KO. Nate Diaz exposed that and Khabib proved it.
To be fair, you're not allowed to bite. That bear was cheating more the McGregor last Sunday.Taranaki Snapper wrote:poor ground technique...
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In his prime Ali was what would now be seen as a small cruiserweight. He probably wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Tyson.eugenius wrote:obelixtim wrote:Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson at his best was far more accomplished than a mere slugger , however I do agree Ali would have beaten him in his prime .
Your analysis of the fighters and the fight itself was laughable and now you're playing the condescending expert card on me?The Native wrote:Compared to McGregor, he's very well rounded. He stood with the "best striker*" in UFC history and wobbled him, even gave him a Compton slap and was not in trouble once.Anonymous. wrote:I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it
Mog is being Mog - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
My God you're full of it. Absolute nonsense. Ali was 6'3 versus the 5'10 Tyson and both about the same weight in their primes. A prime Ali would have easily outboxed Tyson.Anonymous. wrote:In his prime Ali was what would now be seen as a small cruiserweight. He probably wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Tyson.eugenius wrote:obelixtim wrote:Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson at his best was far more accomplished than a mere slugger , however I do agree Ali would have beaten him in his prime .
Mog The Almighty wrote:I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.
Mog The Almighty wrote:I just glanced at it, but it's a shit article imo. Firstly, you don't listen to fight analysis from a guy who looks like this:Leinsterman wrote:GOOD ARTICLE BY EAMONN SWEENEY
Pot meet kettle.Mog The Almighty wrote:
Each to their own, but keep the dumbass smugness in check.
Now even Putin is having a dig at the softc0ck Irish.Meeting MMA fighter Nurmagomedov, Putin comments on his recent post-fight brawl with McGregor with a big chuckle: If we come under attack, then it's not only you, we can all hit back so there's hell to pay! But it's better not to push us that far.'
Uthikoloshe wrote:You may have to turn the sound down for this, tbf the fight is awesome from start to finish, but is not on youtube. Twas a good fast fight between two highly talented fighters.eugenefraxby wrote:Just a thought. Would MMA fans on here watch Bradley v Provodnikov and provide me with a comparable mixed code scrap that gets near it? I cannot gain comparable excitement/enjoyment much as I’ve tried since the open category era with Royce / Goodrich and so on. It’s a redundant combat spectacle now, one half decent opening all over, flawed format.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IK8r9RCvY
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Again proves how shit Conor is at the actual pre-fight talking. He is just obnoxious. Nothing clever about him at all.
It's hard to tell whether that's actually a painting or a heavily edited and filtered photograph.Taranaki Snapper wrote:
I haven't watched that video yet, but the Russian guy who threw at Conor said on Twitter before the fight that he was going to do that, then he bragged that he went through with it after the fight. So if Conor really did "throw the first punch" it would be some coincidence.Turbogoat wrote:Have things died down now that it appears that McGregor threw the first post-match punch? No wonder he didn't want to press charges.
Bisping has changed his tune on the whole affair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbR2jVtlaJY
If they're going to go by what was said prior to the fight McGregor is on very thin ice there then.Mog The Almighty wrote:I haven't watched that video yet, but the Russian guy who threw at Conor said on Twitter before the fight that he was going to do that, then he bragged that he went through with it after the fight. So if Conor really did "throw the first punch" it would be some coincidence.Turbogoat wrote:Have things died down now that it appears that McGregor threw the first post-match punch? No wonder he didn't want to press charges.
Bisping has changed his tune on the whole affair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbR2jVtlaJY
From what I recall Conor was sitting on his stool, then got up with his hands on the fence and that guy just leapt in a started throwing bombs from behind. I'll check the video later but have zero recollection of Conor starting anything.
There's a video showing McGregor goes to climb of the cage, the Russian on top of the cage grabs his foot and tries to start beating him with the blonde wig. Both go back down into the cage, the Russian goes for McGregor and gets caught with a beautiful early left hand which backs him up, the other Russian in the red tee spots it climbs over and hits McGregor on the back of the head and follows it up with a weak combo (doesn't look like a fighter). A third Russian then runs at McGregor who then ties him up. That's where the McGregor action ended I think.Mog The Almighty wrote:I haven't watched that video yet, but the Russian guy who threw at Conor said on Twitter before the fight that he was going to do that, then he bragged that he went through with it after the fight. So if Conor really did "throw the first punch" it would be some coincidence.Turbogoat wrote:Have things died down now that it appears that McGregor threw the first post-match punch? No wonder he didn't want to press charges.
Bisping has changed his tune on the whole affair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbR2jVtlaJY
From what I recall Conor was sitting on his stool, then got up with his hands on the fence and that guy just leapt in a started throwing bombs from behind. I'll check the video later but have zero recollection of Conor starting anything.
It was either the Joe Rogan podcast or Brendan's Shaub's podcast, I heard someone say it was Khabib's boxing coach. Which explains Khabib's stand up skillz.Rugby2023 wrote:There's a video showing McGregor goes to climb of the cage, the Russian on top of the cage grabs his foot and tries to start beating him with the blonde wig. Both go back down into the cage, the Russian goes for McGregor and gets caught with a beautiful early left hand which backs him up, the other Russian in the red tee spots it climbs over and hits McGregor on the back of the head and follows it up with a weak combo (doesn't look like a fighter). A third Russian then runs at McGregor who then ties him up. That's where the McGregor action ended I think.Mog The Almighty wrote:I haven't watched that video yet, but the Russian guy who threw at Conor said on Twitter before the fight that he was going to do that, then he bragged that he went through with it after the fight. So if Conor really did "throw the first punch" it would be some coincidence.Turbogoat wrote:Have things died down now that it appears that McGregor threw the first post-match punch? No wonder he didn't want to press charges.
Bisping has changed his tune on the whole affair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbR2jVtlaJY
From what I recall Conor was sitting on his stool, then got up with his hands on the fence and that guy just leapt in a started throwing bombs from behind. I'll check the video later but have zero recollection of Conor starting anything.
I believe the Khabib brawl outside the cage had already started at this point.
Mog - Here's the video of the full events: the original footage didn't include what happened in the ring after Khabib jumped out. This does, including McGregor and another guy trying to punch each other on the fence, after Khabib jumped out. You can see him being held back from McGregor when they both get down, and the two guys who went for McGregor jumping in then (though the camera moves away and doesn't catch them going for him, but that's all been seen before). I presume the guy from the fence being held back is the 3rd one who was arrested - in the second link below you can see him go for McGregor again after the two fence jumpers are held backMog The Almighty wrote:I haven't watched that video yet, but the Russian guy who threw at Conor said on Twitter before the fight that he was going to do that, then he bragged that he went through with it after the fight. So if Conor really did "throw the first punch" it would be some coincidence.Turbogoat wrote:Have things died down now that it appears that McGregor threw the first post-match punch? No wonder he didn't want to press charges.
Bisping has changed his tune on the whole affair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbR2jVtlaJY
From what I recall Conor was sitting on his stool, then got up with his hands on the fence and that guy just leapt in a started throwing bombs from behind. I'll check the video later but have zero recollection of Conor starting anything.