Beauden Barrett - POTY threepeat?

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As good as they were Whitelick are behind BB atm.
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J Man wrote:
Kiwias wrote:So far, BBBR

Bit of daylight

Sam Whitelock
Amazing engine room. It's cheating having them on the same team.
Both of them play the full 80 in most matches too. That is pretty near illegal
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Kiwias wrote:So far, BBBR

Bit of daylight

Sam Whitelock

BB breathing hard down their necks (difficult given the height differential)
Sam has no show, simply because you cannot give it to a lock from NZ whose surname doesn’t rhyme with metallic.

How are these things decided? Use to be top three players per game are given 3, 2 or 1 point (according to panel). Is this still the way? It favours players who have standout games over a consistent approach.
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Kiwias wrote:So far, BBBR

Bit of daylight

Sam Whitelock

BB breathing hard down their necks (difficult given the height differential)
Sam has no show, simply because you cannot give it to a lock from NZ whose surname doesn’t rhyme with metallic.

How are these things decided? Use to be top three players per game are given 3, 2 or 1 point (according to panel). Is this still the way? It favours players who have standout games over a consistent approach.
TBH I think it's the vibe. That's why I think BB gets it. A big lock doing his work - shifting bodies, winning lineouts/kickoffs, and hit ups in tight - cannot compare to a 10 in full flight to score 6 tries on the last two games.
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Kiwias wrote:So far, BBBR

Bit of daylight

Sam Whitelock

BB breathing hard down their necks (difficult given the height differential)
Sam has no show, simply because you cannot give it to a lock from NZ whose surname doesn’t rhyme with metallic.

How are these things decided? Use to be top three players per game are given 3, 2 or 1 point (according to panel). Is this still the way? It favours players who have standout games over a consistent approach.
The voting criteria has changed recently which will have a big impact on both nominees and the eventual winner.

In the past the panel were required to watch every international test (Tier 1 only of course) and assign 3, 2 and 1 'points' to the best players in that game. That rewarded consistency and was the primary reason why the likes of McCaw would win as he was clearly influential in nearly every game he played.

It looks like they've made it simpler and lazier, and each panel member just nominates their top 3 players of the year. One-off, stand out performances are going to have more of an impact in this scenario. They're also open to online public voting now.
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naki wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Kiwias wrote:So far, BBBR

Bit of daylight

Sam Whitelock

BB breathing hard down their necks (difficult given the height differential)
Sam has no show, simply because you cannot give it to a lock from NZ whose surname doesn’t rhyme with metallic.

How are these things decided? Use to be top three players per game are given 3, 2 or 1 point (according to panel). Is this still the way? It favours players who have standout games over a consistent approach.
The voting criteria has changed recently which will have a big impact on both nominees and the eventual winner.

In the past the panel were required to watch every international test (Tier 1 only of course) and assign 3, 2 and 1 'points' to the best players in that game. That rewarded consistency and was the primary reason why the likes of McCaw would win as he was clearly influential in nearly every game he played.

It looks like they've made it simpler and lazier, and each panel member just nominates their top 3 players of the year. One-off, stand out performances are going to have more of an impact in this scenario. They're also open to online public voting now.
Whitelock has absolutely no chance with this voting style.
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Kiwias wrote: Whitelock has absolutely no chance with this voting style.
Neither would a player like Sexton. Who is a very competent general but lacks the extras that a Beauden Barrett or Kurtley Beale have. Tadgh Furlong would have a better chance than Sexton.
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That new approach is bollocks. I thought the old way was quite flawed as a bad performance would go unpunished, and I think being the 3rd best player on the pitch three times should count for more than being the best once.

But it looks positively utopian next to the current process.
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By rights Retallick should win his 5th consecutive WPOTY title
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NZ rugby media and fans have been pathetic /sickening ..saying last night matches carter 2005..apparently he is the 2nd coming despite never really producing in big games under pressure as a starting 1st58

I’m actually hoping the English and Ireland give us a good shake up in November to expose some of his frailties.. we can’t afford such an inconsistent goal kicker come rwc time
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I haven’t seen any comparisons to Carter 05?
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Barrett was brilliant – as good as Daniel Carter in the second test against the British and Irish Lions in 2005.

Maybe even better. He scored more tries than Carter did that night and believe it or not, had more influence.

Which is ridiculous because no one ever thought they would see a better performance by a No 10 than the one Carter produced that night.

But maybe Barrett delivered just that as it wasn't just the haul of tries he claimed that marked his performance.
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And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
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brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
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The Native wrote:
brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
Did I say that?

Just don’t think he’s in the class of carter
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brat wrote:
The Native wrote:
brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
Did I say that?

Just don’t think he’s in the class of carter
Better than Carter.
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No way the Worlds 25th most influential individual can win 3 years in a row
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The Native wrote:
brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
Weird way to spin Brat's words... a bit like Anon getting all precious over any Brit.

He (Brat) is making a decent point. Trying to compare Barrett to Carter is silly. Carter's head and shoulders over anyone else at 10 over the entirety of his career. All this Barrett love is off the back of one game.
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Wilderbeast wrote:I haven’t seen any comparisons to Carter 05?
One News tonight featured footage of that test in 05 asking the question.
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Back on the locks Scot B is playing very well also - both for Saders and ABs.
He went well for his time on as 6.
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guy smiley wrote:
The Native wrote:
brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
Weird way to spin Brat's words... a bit like Anon getting all precious over any Brit.

He (Brat) is making a decent point. Trying to compare Barrett to Carter is silly. Carter's head and shoulders over anyone else at 10 over the entirety of his career. All this Barrett love is off the back of one game.
To be fair it isn’t, he played like this in 2016 on more than one occasion.

But I didn’t realise sane people were comparing him to Carter now (I noticed Rattue did). Barrett needs a RWC 2015 (coming through under massive pressure) and a Sydney 2008 (amazing game behind a forward pack getting shredded) to even be considered. I’d argue he’s done the Lions 2005 (performing amazingly when the AB’s dominate a team).

Edit: also needs a better boot (or to give it up) and a a few more years of consistent high performance. So a bit for him to work on.
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Shrekles wrote:BBBR could well be in line for his 2nd to fudge up BBs threepeat.
He should be there or thereabouts. He certainly deserves to be on merit but he also has the highlights reel
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Wilderbeast wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
The Native wrote:
brat wrote:And it’s like they don’t even remember carters Masterclasses in the 2015 rwc under immense pressure when it really counts- not even mentioned
We get it. You don't rate Barrett.
Weird way to spin Brat's words... a bit like Anon getting all precious over any Brit.

He (Brat) is making a decent point. Trying to compare Barrett to Carter is silly. Carter's head and shoulders over anyone else at 10 over the entirety of his career. All this Barrett love is off the back of one game.
To be fair it isn’t, he played like this in 2016 on more than one occasion.

But I didn’t realise sane people were comparing him to Carter now (I noticed Rattue did). Barrett needs a RWC 2015 (coming through under massive pressure) and a Sydney 2008 (amazing game behind a forward pack getting shredded) to even be considered. I’d argue he’s done the Lions 2005 (performing amazingly when the AB’s dominate a team).

Edit: also needs a better boot (or to give it up) and a a few more years of consistent high performance. So a bit for him to work on.
Correct.
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