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Figured I'd start the thread. Away at the moment no I haven't been able to watch any of it but have been following it over social media.

Kwiato in red at the moment, he's in good form after the Tour de Pologne win, might be a lot for him to keep red after working his ass off at Le Tour and then following it up with that win.
Porte was ill leading up to the race and is 13 mins down on the leader. Seriously unlucky.

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You wouldn't want Richie's lottery ticket would you ?
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I don't want sky to win anything else this year.

except a bag full of ventoline of course...
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Put up the route Bullet.
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iarmhiman wrote:Put up the route Bullet.
Done.

As much as I like Kwiato I'd rather not see Sky win another grand tour. Not sure he'll be able for it though.
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Laurent wrote:I don't want sky to win anything else this year.

except a bag full of ventoline of course...
I’ve forwarded this to Gospel.
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Sefton wrote:
Laurent wrote:I don't want sky to win anything else this year.

except a bag full of ventoline of course...
I’ve forwarded this to Gaspel.
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Nice bit of work by Yates today.
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Mick Mannock wrote:Nice bit of work by Yates today.
Yep, he has to keep doing this to give himself a time buffer for likely losses on the stage 16 TT, but his spectacular blow up in the third week of the Giro must be at the back of his mind.
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Spyglass wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Nice bit of work by Yates today.
Yep, he has to keep doing this to give himself a time buffer for likely losses on the stage 16 TT, but his spectacular blow up in the third week of the Giro must be at the back of his mind.
No Froome or Dumo at this Vuelta. It’ll be interesting to see how Kwiat goes in the high mountains, and where they are by the TT, but there’s plenty of scope for him to pick up time between now and then, and even after if necessary. You’d just hope he’ll ride a bit more cautiously this time around.
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DOB wrote:
Spyglass wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Nice bit of work by Yates today.
Yep, he has to keep doing this to give himself a time buffer for likely losses on the stage 16 TT, but his spectacular blow up in the third week of the Giro must be at the back of his mind.
No Froome or Dumo at this Vuelta. It’ll be interesting to see how Kwiat goes in the high mountains, and where they are by the TT, but there’s plenty of scope for him to pick up time between now and then, and even after if necessary. You’d just hope he’ll ride a bit more cautiously this time around.
Yates wants to stay out of the Red (in both senses) as long as possible ideally, his team doesn't have the cattle to help him defend. Having a team like Sky defend the jersey for a non-specialist climber is perfect for at least the first week.

Keldermann is my current tip to win but Quintana is ominously close to the front of the race.
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Laurent wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Laurent wrote:I don't want sky to win anything else this year.

except a bag full of ventoline of course...
I’ve forwarded this to Gaspel.
Fixed
Still upset I see. Marvellous. :smug:
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blindcider wrote:
DOB wrote:
Spyglass wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Nice bit of work by Yates today.
Yep, he has to keep doing this to give himself a time buffer for likely losses on the stage 16 TT, but his spectacular blow up in the third week of the Giro must be at the back of his mind.
No Froome or Dumo at this Vuelta. It’ll be interesting to see how Kwiat goes in the high mountains, and where they are by the TT, but there’s plenty of scope for him to pick up time between now and then, and even after if necessary. You’d just hope he’ll ride a bit more cautiously this time around.
Yates wants to stay out of the Red (in both senses) as long as possible ideally, his team doesn't have the cattle to help him defend. Having a team like Sky defend the jersey for a non-specialist climber is perfect for at least the first week.

Keldermann is my current tip to win but Quintana is ominously close to the front of the race.
Kelderman's problem is that Sunweb have given him almost nobody to assist him in the mountains. Whereas Quintana has Valverde, Carapaz, Anacona and Amador by side. That is some serious climbing firepower, and with so many MTF's this year they hold a huge upper-hand. Kelderman probably won't be able to gain back all that time in the ITT.
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It's a complete mystery why Sunweb can't seem to hire any decent climbers to support their GC contenders. Dumoulin left on his own in France and the Giro, now Kelderman unsupported in Spain.
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I am really looking forward to when the race goes in to Galicia and the Basque country one of my favourite parts of the world
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So after one week of racing here is the GC:
General Classification after Stage 9
1 YATES, Simon (MTS) 36:54:52
2 VALVERDE, Alejandro (MOV) + 1
3 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOV) + 14
4 BUCHMANN, Emanuel (BOH) + 16
5 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI, Ion (TBM) + 17
6 GALLOPIN, Tony (ALM) + 24
7 LOPEZ MORENO, Miguel Angel (AST) + 27
8 URAN, Rigoberto (EFD) + 32
9 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (TLJ) + 43
10 BENNETT, George (TLJ) + 48
11 ARU, Fabio (UAD) + 1:08
12 MAS NICOLAU, Enric (QST) + 1:15
13 DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO, David (SKY) + 1:26
14 KELDERMAN, Wilco (SUN) + 1:50
15 KWIATKOWSKI, Michal (SKY) + 2:10
16 PINOT, Thibaut (GFC) + 2:33
17 KING, Benjamin (DDD) + 2:41
18 MOLARD, Rudy (GFC) + 2:43
19 DE PLUS, Laurens (QST) + 3:17
20 HAIG, Jack (MTS) + 4:29
It was good to see Yates taking Red yesterday, but I think Quintana is looking ominous.

Three relatively easy days coming up, and then they have this over the weekend:

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I think Quintana has been biding his time, provided he doesn't blow himself up I think he'll take red by the end of the weekend. I think Valverde is looking decent too, not sure he still has it for red though but making a decent fist of the green jersey race. Could be a good race for Movistar (which you'd hope for considering their team).
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Not the place for it - apologies.

But, my mates back in Llanelli were posting pics of the star tof the Tour of Britain. Started off in Pembrey just west of Llanelli.

They said Froome and Geraint were very open to meeting the fans. Two of my pals are big cyclists and there was an opportunity to trail behind teh pros with the reserves and go down the same course just a few minutes behind. Apparently they rode with a GB rider at 29.5mph. The crowds were stil there when they went through. He said it was just teh best.
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Bullettyme wrote:I think Quintana has been biding his time, provided he doesn't blow himself up I think he'll take red by the end of the weekend. I think Valverde is looking decent too, not sure he still has it for red though but making a decent fist of the green jersey race. Could be a good race for Movistar (which you'd hope for considering their team).
I can't figure Quintana out, undoubted class and hasn't really looked troubled in the previous 10 stages, but also he hasn't really animated or threatened a race this year, so not sure what to make of his form. Any of the top six appears to have a realistic chance at the moment. Personally I'd like to see Yates hang on to the red, but it's a big ask and I'm not sure his team are very enthused with having to defend the jersey this early in the race.

Sunday looks like a very a tough stage, on the back of two tough days, this will likely be the real race selection. Should be fascinating viewing.
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LandOTurk wrote:Not the place for it - apologies.

But, my mates back in Llanelli were posting pics of the star tof the Tour of Britain. Started off in Pembrey just west of Llanelli.

They said Froome and Geraint were very open to meeting the fans. Two of my pals are big cyclists and there was an opportunity to trail behind teh pros with the reserves and go down the same course just a few minutes behind. Apparently they rode with a GB rider at 29.5mph. The crowds were stil there when they went through. He said it was just teh best.
Very cool. That would be a blast following the peloton with the team back-up riders, well until you got shelled OTB :( :lol:
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I've been enjoying this so far, am a big Yates fan. I am however no expert, what do people reckon, can he hold on? Big stages over the next few days
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sewa wrote:I've been enjoying this so far, am a big Yates fan. I am however no expert, what do people reckon, can he hold on? Big stages over the next few days
There's no doubt the Giro implosion will be at the forefront of his thinking, and I'm not Michelton-Scott will be too stoked having to defend the red jersey this early, particularly when there's some nasty stuff just around the corner. I think he will have a good shot but he'll probably have to ride against his instincts.
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Jesus, I really cursed that one on him. Some crasy crash at the end. Bloody spectators need shooting
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Jesus, looks like everyone is 3 minutes + down on Herrera now. Must have been some break.
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Bullettyme wrote:Jesus, looks like everyone is 3 minutes + down on Herrera now. Must have been some break.
Yeah, he smashed it today. Thought it would be tasty today but not that much
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So today is the first of a brutal trilogy.

Is Yates the same Yates who dore the Giro, or is he the brother (I always get confused with them)? If he is the Giro hero, I'd love him to win. I loved what he did on the Giro, and loved the human touch of his disappearing when Froome rode away to take the win.

Currious to see whether Herrada can hang onto the red Jersey today, almost impossible for him but it would be great for the scenario of the race.

Curious to see what Quintana, Buchmann, Uran and Kruijswijk have in the belly. Will be an exciting day.
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TheFrog wrote:So today is the first of a brutal trilogy.

Is Yates the same Yates who dore the Giro, or is he the brother (I always get confused with them)? If he is the Giro hero, I'd love him to win. I loved what he did on the Giro, and loved the human touch of his disappearing when Froome rode away to take the win.

Currious to see whether Herrada can hang onto the red Jersey today, almost impossible for him but it would be great for the scenario of the race.

Curious to see what Quintana, Buchmann, Uran and Kruijswijk have in the belly. Will be an exciting day.
Yep, same Yates that fell apart in the Giro. His brother is also here, but in a domestique role.
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Bullettyme wrote:Jesus, looks like everyone is 3 minutes + down on Herrera now. Must have been some break.
They were a dozen in the breakaway at 10 minutes, nobody dangerous for the GC, Herrera used to be with Movistar and they know that isn't a climber, these next 3 days are going to be grueling, only mountain.
I enjoy this Vuelta, 5 different red jersey wearers already.
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Yeah it's been entertaining, although I haven't been able to watch as much as I would have liked. That will change this weekend 8)

Although there might be questions over his staying power, I think Valverde has been going alright. Perhaps offering a little bit more than Quintana. Uran seems to be going well too and I think Kruiswijk might also be one to keep an eye on. Now that all might well change in the next few days though!
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13km to go, we are about to know more about the future Vuelta winner. :twisted:
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Herrada still in red, Yates still second. Quintana moves up to third.

Uran moved himself up a few positions I see too.

Rodriguez from Euskadi-Murias wins the stage.
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What a finish!

Take a bow Mr Yates.
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Think Yates will still have red today, stage win by Pinot who probably bumped himself up the standings. Lopez would have picked up some time too. Quintana utterly frustrating and ultimately lost time.
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Scrummie wrote:Great racing today by Pinot and Yates.

Yates gave Quintana a right mouthful for not pulling his weight.
Quintana is either playing a very strange game or he simply doesn't have the legs. My money is on option 2.

Lopez starting to look good, Valverde spending himself for Quintana.

Mas is looking like a decent prospect for the future, if he can get in a good GC team he'll pick up a GC somewhere. With riders like Bernal, Mas and Lopez the upcoming riders looks really exciting
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Rohan Dennis takes the ITT today.

Yates limited any losses pretty well, sitting ahead by 33s. Valverde behind. Kruiswijk a big gainer today and pushed himself up to 3rd overall.

I think there's only one mountain stage left, and a couple of hilly (by vuelta standards) stages. I'd imagine Yates will see it through, but fudge it, can't really count the old man out can you?
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Have the Vuelta, Giro and Tdf been won by three different riders of the same nationality before?
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Bullettyme wrote:Rohan Dennis takes the ITT today.

Yates limited any losses pretty well, sitting ahead by 33s. Valverde behind. Kruiswijk a big gainer today and pushed himself up to 3rd overall.

I think there's only one mountain stage left, and a couple of hilly (by vuelta standards) stages. I'd imagine Yates will see it through, but fudge it, can't really count the old man out can you?
I thought Yates made a great job of it today. Valverde was excellent after his ceaseless work in the mountains, and yes, he could still take this if Movistar get their stuff sorted out. Surely they must realise at some point that they are backing the wrong option with Quintana. Valverde could have won this by now.
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nuffsaid wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Rohan Dennis takes the ITT today.

Yates limited any losses pretty well, sitting ahead by 33s. Valverde behind. Kruiswijk a big gainer today and pushed himself up to 3rd overall.

I think there's only one mountain stage left, and a couple of hilly (by vuelta standards) stages. I'd imagine Yates will see it through, but fudge it, can't really count the old man out can you?
I thought Yates made a great job of it today. Valverde was excellent after his ceaseless work in the mountains, and yes, he could still take this if Movistar get their stuff sorted out. Surely they must realise at some point that they are backing the wrong option with Quintana. Valverde could have won this by now.
Yep. I think if Quintana had worked his arse off for Valverde instead of the other way around we might see Valverde take it. As you say who knows what can happen if they get their shit together in the next few days? Quintana is sitting at 1m15 at the moment. Yates is a fine cyclist and I'd be happy for him to win it after the implosion at the Giro, but I'd also be delighted for Valverde to win it too, he's been in great form this season.
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juddy wrote:Have the Vuelta, Giro and Tdf been won by three different riders of the same nationality before?
Don't know. When yuo look at the history, you can see each Tour dominated by its countrymen to a larger or lesser extent.
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juddy wrote:Have the Vuelta, Giro and Tdf been won by three different riders of the same nationality before?
Same question occurred to me earlier and the answer is ‘no’, the Spanish and French have done a clean sweep of the Grand Tours in a year, but both times with 2 riders;

2008 - Contador won the Giro and the Vuelta and Sastre won Le Tour

1964 - Anquetil won the Giro and Le Tour and Raymond Poulidor won the Vuelta
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