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England's James Anderson took the final wicket to become the most successful fast bowler in Test cricket and secure a 118-run victory in the fifth Test against India at The Oval.

The 36-year-old bowled Mohammed Shami to claim his 564th wicket, surpassing the record of Australia's Glenn McGrath.
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Like fudge he is.
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I'm so very pleased for him. An England stalwart.
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Oh how we all laughed at DCM back in the day
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HKCJ wrote:Oh how we all laughed at DCM back in the day
Rule 1.
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Fixed
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He seemed genuinely happy yesterday, which is a first - reminded me of when the England team had to draw cartoons of each other and a couple of people did Jimmy...

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His one of Swanny was also pretty accurate:

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globus wrote:
HKCJ wrote:Oh how we all laughed at DCM back in the day
Rule 1.
Possibly ironic in a Jimmy Saville kinda way.

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As for Jimmy .. well Glenn McGrath is a Cock.
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I'll go with "pace" bowler. It's a great achievement, however you want to place him, in the van of other luminaries.
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He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
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Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon. :nod:
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Ovals. Verdict?
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Sandstorm wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon. :nod:

A contender then, for the Greatest Bowler Of All Time. :nod:
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guy smiley wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon. :nod:

A contender then, for the Greatest Bowler Of All Time. :nod:
Correct and he's got a better batting average than McGrath
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guy smiley wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon. :nod:

A contender then, for the Greatest Bowler Of All Time. :nod:
Hat's off to him. A proper John Steed.
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Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
I was looking at the progression of his average yesterday. I think it's 24 point odd for the last 10 years and improves every time you knock off the oldest year of the range up until the last year, eg. 21 over the last 5 years, 18 over the last 2. It's remarkable how he's consistently improved to such a level.
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Terrific bowler with immense skill. His control of swing is incredible. Some of his wickets this series were just perfection. When you talk about the best there's lots of ways of making that judgement but longevity and consistency are as valuable as being sh!t hot for 5 years. If you look at the gap in quality between broad Anderson and the rest for england over the last 5/6 years you can see how screwed they have been with out him. I like the cut of his gib too. No histrionics or celeb nonsense from him a la KP etc. He'll not be doing Strictly.
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etherman wrote:He'll not be doing Strictly.
Oi. Hang on. I can see him waltzing all over the place. But his "Quickstep" will be to behold.
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fatcat wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
I was looking at the progression of his average yesterday. I think it's 24 point odd for the last 10 years and improves every time you knock off the oldest year of the range up until the last year, eg. 21 over the last 5 years, 18 over the last 2. It's remarkable how he's consistently improved to such a level.
He's spent a lot of time recovering from the early days where for some reason the English bowling coaches kept trying to alter his natural action, which gave him masses of control and once he got it back resulted in all of those wickets. The way they screwed around with him in the early days was criminal
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He's no Andy Caddick
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iarmhiman wrote:He's no Andy Caddick
Carrick must have one of the most mealey mouthed profiles on Cric info:
Irresistible on his day, Caddick can also be frustratingly mediocre -especially for England. But for Somerset he is as consistently destructive as any overseas player, even on the belters at Taunton. His action is modelled on Richard Hadlee's, and Caddick sometimes bowls as well as him, finding bounce and movement from just short of a length. He's a sensitive man, though, and if a batsman gets after him his confidence can vanish. He has been called gauche, aloof, and - by his former England coach David Lloyd - nerdy. He retired from one-day cricket after the 2003 World Cup. Despite taking 105 wickets in 1998, he was not wanted for the Ashes tour. But under Nasser Hussain and Duncan Fletcher, Caddick flourished, and formed a strong partnership with Darren Gough that lasted 25 Tests, faltered only during the 2001 Ashes drubbing, and was finally broken when both men decided not to go to India in November 2001. Caddick left his decision until the last minute. Although in the international wilderness, he continued to plug away for Somerset with good results. There is no doubt that he is more of a team man than he used to be. Except when he's running between the wickets. Caddick finished the 2007 season as the leading English wicket-taker but, during an injury-plagued 2008 season, finally admitted that his England days were over. He announced he would retire from first-class cricket at the end of 2009 season.
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It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
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etherman wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:He's no Andy Caddick
Carrick must have one of the most mealey mouthed profiles on Cric info:
Irresistible on his day, Caddick can also be frustratingly mediocre -especially for England. But for Somerset he is as consistently destructive as any overseas player, even on the belters at Taunton. His action is modelled on Richard Hadlee's, and Caddick sometimes bowls as well as him, finding bounce and movement from just short of a length. He's a sensitive man, though, and if a batsman gets after him his confidence can vanish. He has been called gauche, aloof, and - by his former England coach David Lloyd - nerdy. He retired from one-day cricket after the 2003 World Cup. Despite taking 105 wickets in 1998, he was not wanted for the Ashes tour. But under Nasser Hussain and Duncan Fletcher, Caddick flourished, and formed a strong partnership with Darren Gough that lasted 25 Tests, faltered only during the 2001 Ashes drubbing, and was finally broken when both men decided not to go to India in November 2001. Caddick left his decision until the last minute. Although in the international wilderness, he continued to plug away for Somerset with good results. There is no doubt that he is more of a team man than he used to be. Except when he's running between the wickets. Caddick finished the 2007 season as the leading English wicket-taker but, during an injury-plagued 2008 season, finally admitted that his England days were over. He announced he would retire from first-class cricket at the end of 2009 season.
He'll be pissed off you couldn't spell his name right.
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Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
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guy smiley wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
Better him than an Englishman.
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Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats
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booze wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats
It would be much higher if he didn't have Cook dropping so many catches at 1st slip.
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booze wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats
I would suspect that when McGrath has Warne bowling too, the pressure on the batsmen is that much greater. It would have some influcnce on teh average. I am not saying very sgnificantly, but still something.
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Jimmy has 564 wickets from 143 games over 15 years
Broad has 433 wickets from 123 games over 11 years

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/conten ... 93276.html

Broad may overtake Jimmy.
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booze wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats
Not quite with McGrath though. He had small improvements over the fist few years (in his average) and it was up and down after that. Plus he's a cock.
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Broad would need to play another 37 matches at that rate. He's played 11 matches per year, so he'd need another 3 or 4 years. He's 32 now. Doubt it.
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guy smiley wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.
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fatcat wrote:
booze wrote:
Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.
Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats
Not quite with McGrath though. He had small improvements over the fist few years (in his average) and it was up and down after that. Plus he's a cock.
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Macrosan wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.
Well yes, which makes Hadlee's performance even more impressive. You seem to screw up with every second post you make. Are you from South Africa?
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How do we all think his chances are of overtaking Kumble on the list? He needs about 50 or so right?
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guy smiley wrote:
Macrosan wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.
Well yes, which makes Hadlee's performance even more impressive. You seem to screw up with every second post you make. Are you from South Africa?
Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what point he was trying to make. Would have thought having one of the best spinners ever working in tandem would have been to his advantage.
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Working Class Rugger wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Macrosan wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T
Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.
Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.
Well yes, which makes Hadlee's performance even more impressive. You seem to screw up with every second post you make. Are you from South Africa?
Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what point he was trying to make. Would have thought having one of the best spinners ever working in tandem would have been to his advantage.
i guess he's arguing that Warne took wickets that McGrath could have done without acknoweldging that its not a zero sum game and the fact that McGrath had world class bowlers around him reduced the pressure on him to perform.
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Anderson will out do Kumble before he retires.

And McGrath got a lot more wickets from bowling alongside Warne than he lost.
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So he's charged down the wicket, taken a mighty heft and fallen on his fat arse, knocking the bails off in the process :lol:
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