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HKCJ wrote:Oh how we all laughed at DCM back in the day

globus wrote:

HKCJ wrote:Oh how we all laughed at DCM back in the day

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Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7

guy smiley wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7

He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon.

A contender then, for the Greatest Bowler Of All Time.

guy smiley wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7

He was horribly underused by England from 2003-2008. Had he been selected more often & bowled more, he'd be right up near Warnie I reckon.

A contender then, for the Greatest Bowler Of All Time.

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

etherman wrote:He'll not be doing Strictly.

fatcat wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

I was looking at the progression of his average yesterday. I think it's 24 point odd for the last 10 years and improves every time you knock off the oldest year of the range up until the last year, eg. 21 over the last 5 years, 18 over the last 2. It's remarkable how he's consistently improved to such a level.

iarmhiman wrote:He's no Andy Caddick

Irresistible on his day, Caddick can also be frustratingly mediocre -especially for England. But for Somerset he is as consistently destructive as any overseas player, even on the belters at Taunton. His action is modelled on Richard Hadlee's, and Caddick sometimes bowls as well as him, finding bounce and movement from just short of a length. He's a sensitive man, though, and if a batsman gets after him his confidence can vanish. He has been called gauche, aloof, and - by his former England coach David Lloyd - nerdy. He retired from one-day cricket after the 2003 World Cup. Despite taking 105 wickets in 1998, he was not wanted for the Ashes tour. But under Nasser Hussain and Duncan Fletcher, Caddick flourished, and formed a strong partnership with Darren Gough that lasted 25 Tests, faltered only during the 2001 Ashes drubbing, and was finally broken when both men decided not to go to India in November 2001. Caddick left his decision until the last minute. Although in the international wilderness, he continued to plug away for Somerset with good results. There is no doubt that he is more of a team man than he used to be. Except when he's running between the wickets. Caddick finished the 2007 season as the leading English wicket-taker but, during an injury-plagued 2008 season, finally admitted that his England days were over. He announced he would retire from first-class cricket at the end of 2009 season.

guy smiley wrote:

Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T

Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

booze wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats

booze wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats

booze wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats

guy smiley wrote:

Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T

Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.

fatcat wrote:

booze wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats

Not quite with McGrath though. He had small improvements over the fist few years (in his average) and it was up and down after that. Plus he's a cock.

guy smiley wrote:

Macrosan wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T

Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.

Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.

Well yes, which makes Hadlee's performance even more impressive. You seem to screw up with every second post you make. Are you from South Africa?

Working Class Rugger wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Macrosan wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Working Class Rugger wrote:It's a great achievement but Glen McGrath did it less Tests. Therefore he remains the G.O.A.T

Finally, after all these years, an Australian admits Hadlee's superior strike rate makes him better than McGrath.

This thread... well, I'm so proud.

Hadlee didn’t have a Warne bowking at the other end you plum.

Well yes, which makes Hadlee's performance even more impressive. You seem to screw up with every second post you make. Are you from South Africa?

Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what point he was trying to make. Would have thought having one of the best spinners ever working in tandem would have been to his advantage.

LandOTurk wrote:

booze wrote:

Boris wrote:He has improved dramatically over his career:

Pre 2008: 62 wickets; average 39.2; strike rate 62.7
2008-2013: 278 wickets; average 28.7; strike rate 58.4
2014 onwards: 224 wickets; average 21.1; strike rate 50.7

Over the last few years, he has been among the best quick bowlers in the world. Steyn and Rabada have much lower strike rates though.

Boris, you will find a majority of bowlers have similar improvements as they hone their craft.

Anderson is an outstanding bowler but his strike rate and average are not as good as other greats

I would suspect that when McGrath has Warne bowling too, the pressure on the batsmen is that much greater. It would have some influcnce on teh average. I am not saying very sgnificantly, but still something.

blindcider wrote:One thing I think is difficult to argue against is that if you are selecting a hypothetical all time XI to play a test match at Lords you would be picking Jimmy Anderson.

booze wrote:

blindcider wrote:One thing I think is difficult to argue against is that if you are selecting a hypothetical all time XI to play a test match at Lords you would be picking Jimmy Anderson.

hypothetically no. Lille and Hadlee to open the bowling


With test cricket under such threat I doubt that this record number of wickets for a fast bowler will ever be beaten. We can talk about averages etc but Anderson has the most wickets by a fast bowler probably foerver.

RodneyRegis wrote:Broad would need to play another 37 matches at that rate. He's played 11 matches per year, so he'd need another 3 or 4 years. He's 32 now. Doubt it.