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Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Yes, but everyone else is pretty average/inconsistent. We just happen to be a bit less so.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Yes, but everyone else is pretty average/inconsistent. We just happen to be a bit less so.
:thumbup:

I loosely follow the prem results, but don't really watch it at all, so I've no feel for form, areas of strength etc other than what I read/hear.

I hope WLR drops the ball while swan diving again. :nod:
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Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Last season we showed glimpses of being fairly decent but we're a shower of shite this year - getting hammered by both Exeter and Glaws at home for example.
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feckwanker wrote:This be like the Americans rolling across the plains of Kuwait in Gulf War 1 smashing the helpless Iraqi's fleeing before them.
Is there oil in Coventry?
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Diego wrote:
feckwanker wrote:This be like the Americans rolling across the plains of Kuwait in Gulf War 1 smashing the helpless Iraqi's fleeing before them.
Is there oil in Coventry?
We call it lube.
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cfm93 wrote:
Leinster Rugby

15. Rob Kearney
14. Jordan Larmour
13. Garry Ringrose
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. James Lowe
10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN
9. Luke McGrath
1. Cian Healy
2. Seán Cronin
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh van der Flier
8. Jack Conan

16. James Tracy
17. Jack McGrath
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Seán O’Brien
21. Nick McCarthy
22. Ross Byrne
23. Joe Tomane
Fardy and SOB on the bench, how many teams could do that?

Wasps are effectively playing against Ireland (with Lowe, Fardy and Tomane thrown in for good measure)
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Gospel wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Last season we showed glimpses of being fairly decent but we're a shower of shite this year - getting hammered by both Exeter and Glaws at home for example.
The Exe margin was 11 points and Glaws 14 (with a later try from them glossing it a bit), so I wouldn't call them hammerings.

We're not good, that's for sure, but we aren't dire.
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Nolanator wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Yes, but everyone else is pretty average/inconsistent. We just happen to be a bit less so.
:thumbup:

I loosely follow the prem results, but don't really watch it at all, so I've no feel for form, areas of strength etc other than what I read/hear.

I hope WLR drops the ball while swan diving again. :nod:
Exeter and sarries are ten points clear already. The league is turning into Scottish football.

As for the most supporters represented, it's probably between us and quinns. The sale lot are surprisingly vocal though
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Oh fûck, I've just realised I'm at a 40th ffs
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
Last season we showed glimpses of being fairly decent but we're a shower of shite this year - getting hammered by both Exeter and Glaws at home for example.
The Exe margin was 11 points and Glaws 14 (with a later try from them glossing it a bit), so I wouldn't call them hammerings.

We're not good, that's for sure, but we aren't dire.
They're relative hammerings when you consider they're home fixtures.
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Nobleman wrote:
cfm93 wrote:
Leinster Rugby

15. Rob Kearney
14. Jordan Larmour
13. Garry Ringrose
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. James Lowe
10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN
9. Luke McGrath
1. Cian Healy
2. Seán Cronin
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh van der Flier
8. Jack Conan

16. James Tracy
17. Jack McGrath
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Seán O’Brien
21. Nick McCarthy
22. Ross Byrne
23. Joe Tomane
Fardy and SOB on the bench, how many teams could do that?

Wasps are effectively playing against Ireland (with Lowe, Fardy and Tomane thrown in for good measure)
So? We told you privately owned clubs was a mistake but you didn’t want to hear it
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Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
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Raggs wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
It's not so much the individuals missing, particularly at loosehead, but that a lot of their replacements are quite new to the club or in crucial positions, so the cohesiveness of the team is very much a work in progress and due to injuries/recoveries the team hasn't managed to be settled and start improving cohesion during these opening rounds. Particularly through 10,12,13.

Robson, Launch, Cooper-Wooley and Gopperth (given both our 10s are new) are big losses in terms of individual personnel, though.
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I keep forgetting that Gopperth is banjaxed for the season.
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irishrugbyua wrote:15 Willie Le Roux

14 Josh Bassett

13 Juan de Jongh

12 Michael Le Bourgeois

11 Elliot Daly (C)

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Joe Simpson

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 Will Rowlands

5 James Gaskell

6 Brad Shields

7 Thomas Young

8 Nizaam Carr



Replacements

16 Tom Cruse

17 Ben Harris

18 Will Stuart

19 Kearnan Myall

20 Ashley Johnson

21 Craig Hampson

22 Billy Searle

23 Rob Miller
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
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rfurlong wrote: 12 Michael Le Bourgeois
This lad should get a warm welcome in the RDS.
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Raggs wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
What's happened to Nathan Hughes? Are they anticipating a ban after his tweet?
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rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:15 Willie Le Roux

14 Josh Bassett

13 Juan de Jongh

12 Michael Le Bourgeois

11 Elliot Daly (C)

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Joe Simpson

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 Will Rowlands

5 James Gaskell

6 Brad Shields

7 Thomas Young

8 Nizaam Carr



Replacements

16 Tom Cruse

17 Ben Harris

18 Will Stuart

19 Kearnan Myall

20 Ashley Johnson

21 Craig Hampson

22 Billy Searle

23 Rob Miller
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
When you fail an HIA you go through the return to play protocols. Presumably he's come through those alright.
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hermie wrote:
rfurlong wrote: 12 Michael Le Bourgeois
This lad should get a warm welcome in the RDS.
I almost wish he was in our academy .... just to annoy Munster journalists
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Nobleman wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
What's happened to Nathan Hughes? Are they anticipating a ban after his tweet?
He can't play until his citing hearing concludes. They couldn't reach a verdict and have proposed to re-convene next week. Hughes kicks his heels in the mean time.

What tweet?
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rfurlong wrote:
hermie wrote:
rfurlong wrote: 12 Michael Le Bourgeois
This lad should get a warm welcome in the RDS.
I almost wish he was in our academy .... just to annoy Munster journalists
:lol: We should bring back Royce Burke-Flynn while we're at it.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:15 Willie Le Roux

14 Josh Bassett

13 Juan de Jongh

12 Michael Le Bourgeois

11 Elliot Daly (C)

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Joe Simpson

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 Will Rowlands

5 James Gaskell

6 Brad Shields

7 Thomas Young

8 Nizaam Carr



Replacements

16 Tom Cruse

17 Ben Harris

18 Will Stuart

19 Kearnan Myall

20 Ashley Johnson

21 Craig Hampson

22 Billy Searle

23 Rob Miller
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
When you fail an HIA you go through the return to play protocols. Presumably he's come through those alright.
in 5 days?

with a long haul flight in the middle of it?

with assessment split between 2 medical teams?

and coming down from altitude?

Wasps will have a major case to answer IMO, if he suffers a reoccurrence tomorrow
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rfurlong wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
When you fail an HIA you go through the return to play protocols. Presumably he's come through those alright.
in 5 days?

with a long haul flight in the middle of it?

with assessment split between 2 medical teams?

and coming down from altitude?

Wasps will have a major case to answer IMO, if he suffers a reoccurrence tomorrow
Can't see why we'd rush him, it's not like fullback is where tomorrow's game will be decided and either Miller or Daly could deputise adequately if he hadn't completed the RTP successfully.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
When you fail an HIA you go through the return to play protocols. Presumably he's come through those alright.
in 5 days?

with a long haul flight in the middle of it?

with assessment split between 2 medical teams?

and coming down from altitude?

Wasps will have a major case to answer IMO, if he suffers a reoccurrence tomorrow
Can't see why we'd rush him, it's not like fullback is where tomorrow's game will be decided and either Miller or Daly could deputise adequately if he hadn't completed the RTP successfully.
hope you're right :thumbup:

he's an exceptional player ...... himself, de klerk and marx have the potential to have Irish fans crying into our saki next Autumn
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Le Roux failed the test he took after the knock, but passed the one immediately after the game, I think that means they skip a bit of the protocol (maybe the rest period at the start). Read something like that.
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rfurlong

To fail the initial HIA test, all that's needed is a suspected concussion. i.e. they don't risk you playing on even though you might not actually have been concussed.

They then figure out after the game if you actually have been, looks like he wasn't.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Nobleman wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
What's happened to Nathan Hughes? Are they anticipating a ban after his tweet?
He can't play until his citing hearing concludes. They couldn't reach a verdict and have proposed to re-convene next week. Hughes kicks his heels in the mean time.

What tweet?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nath ... -wtpmmmgv9
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Nobleman wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Leinster to win comfortably. Like, 20+ points comfortably.
Are you lot not supposed to be one of the better pretenders after Sarries/Exeter in the premiership?
We're also missing a load of players. 1st choice loosehead, tighthead, lock, 1-2 backrow, scrum half, 12 and 14 :D.
What's happened to Nathan Hughes? Are they anticipating a ban after his tweet?
He can't play until his citing hearing concludes. They couldn't reach a verdict and have proposed to re-convene next week. Hughes kicks his heels in the mean time.

What tweet?
He is alleged to have tweeted "What a joke" while actually at his hearing, and afaik they suspended the hearing over an "issue that arose during the hearing", which issue is possibly / probably the tweet. I don't think it was because they couldn't reach a verdict, but as you say he can't play until they do.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:15 Willie Le Roux

14 Josh Bassett

13 Juan de Jongh

12 Michael Le Bourgeois

11 Elliot Daly (C)

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Joe Simpson

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 Will Rowlands

5 James Gaskell

6 Brad Shields

7 Thomas Young

8 Nizaam Carr



Replacements

16 Tom Cruse

17 Ben Harris

18 Will Stuart

19 Kearnan Myall

20 Ashley Johnson

21 Craig Hampson

22 Billy Searle

23 Rob Miller
Why is Le Roux playing?

Rassie Erasmus told the SA press that he failed the HIA last weekend
Willie got a concussion and failed his HIA (head injury assessment).
https://keo.co.za/rassie-was-forced-to- ... e-and-faf/

wtf?
When you fail an HIA you go through the return to play protocols. Presumably he's come through those alright.
In a week? Thought the protocols were at least 2 weeks. maybe each union is free to make its own.
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Don't think there's been a minimum time off in the pro game since the 90s. It's 2 weeks min at all other levels.

Just refreshing my memory there and it does seem like a concussed player can play the following week if they pass the return to play stages.

rfurlong, what Le Roux would have gone through this week re. travel probably helped, not hindered the diagnostic stages
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The Prophet Zarquon wrote:
What's happened to Nathan Hughes? Are they anticipating a ban after his tweet?
He can't play until his citing hearing concludes. They couldn't reach a verdict and have proposed to re-convene next week. Hughes kicks his heels in the mean time.

What tweet?[/quote]

He is alleged to have tweeted "What a joke" while actually at his hearing, and afaik they suspended the hearing over an "issue that arose during the hearing", which issue is possibly / probably the tweet. I don't think it was because they couldn't reach a verdict, but as you say he can't play until they do.[/quote]

Ah. The report I saw this morning made no mention of that, but Nobleman's link has more info than it did. Sadly consistent with some of the braindead penalties he's prone to giving away.
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iarmhiman wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Gonna be an unpleasant evening to be in the stands I reckon, pumping wind and rain forecast.
I think I'll stay put in the apartment and get a few bottles in.
Weather seems to be changing somewhat. You'd know more than me but the forecast doesn't look too bad?

Serious Leinster team though, imagine having to leave SOB and Fardy on the bench.
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We're going to get stuffed I'm afraid. Can't think of any area where Leinster won't be far superior.
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ovalball wrote:We're going to get stuffed I'm afraid. Can't think of any area where Leinster won't be far superior.
One of the rugby Twitter feeds described it as an Ireland team disguised in blue ...

Slight hyperbole I know, but even with our injured players and retarded tweeters we'd be underdogs
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happyhooker wrote:
ovalball wrote:We're going to get stuffed I'm afraid. Can't think of any area where Leinster won't be far superior.
One of the rugby Twitter feeds described it as an Ireland team disguised in blue ...

Slight hyperbole I know, but even with our injured players and retarded tweeters we'd be underdogs
It would never happen but pretty much all the players are close enough to the Irish first XV that it's not too much of a stretch. All 14 Irishmen might make our WC squad while Lowe definitely would.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Dobbin wrote:What Wasps really needed to progress this season was to add some defensive steel to their attacking flair.


On the evidence so far they've done the opposite.
The attack has got worse as well
Yeah, that was really my point. They now have equivalent quality in attack and defence, but it wasn't achieved by raising the level of the latter.
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Agreed Wasps need to harden their defence. There are some good players in the Wasps side but I think Leinster have just too much strength and smarts in their team. Can’t see further than a convincing win for Leinster in this game
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hermie wrote:
rfurlong wrote: 12 Michael Le Bourgeois
This lad should get a warm welcome in the RDS.

:lol: :lol:
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Le bourgeois gentillhomme.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
hermie wrote:
rfurlong wrote: 12 Michael Le Bourgeois
This lad should get a warm welcome in the RDS.

:lol: :lol:
Hes a Jersey lad quite a few with that surname on the Island younger brothers inevitably become known as "Petit"
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