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Olo wrote:It seems an age since Morty played. Wasn’t it him who destroyed SBW in his first international?
It may have been Tindall or Hape.
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Mr Mike wrote:
Olo wrote:It seems an age since Morty played. Wasn’t it him who destroyed SBW in his first international?
It may have been Tindall or Hape.
I think Mortlock smashed him in an Aus v BaaBaa's match in Aus, which was before his AB debut.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Olo wrote:It seems an age since Morty played. Wasn’t it him who destroyed SBW in his first international?
It may have been Tindall or Hape.
I think Mortlock smashed him in an Aus v BaaBaa's match in Aus, which was before his AB debut.
6 months into his career as a rugby player and while he was still with Toulon, IIRC. Mortlock was clearly miffed that SBW had waltzed past him moments before, it was a great hit
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Zakar wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why is Folau playing at #13 now?

FFS leave arguably the best fullback in the world (or at least in the running for it) at f-cking fullback. How hard is that? While you're at it. leave the best 7 in the world at 7 and select a proper 8.

I've been going on about this forever. Experimental selections are not going to save Australian rugby. Basics and consistent selections.
1. The cupboard is bare at 13 ATM. It was either Folou, Kerevi who hasn't played in months, or a bloke only just old enough to vote.

2. DHP has been better at fullback than Folou the last few games. Considerably better.
DHP has been your most consistent threat for sure. He's been excellent in the RC. iFol can be devastating but doesn't get involved enough/attack revolves too much around him to break open defences.
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The forecast is for low-20s with some rain.
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I wonder if McKenzie is at 15 because we have a comparative lack of top end pace at 12 and 13. ALB and Goody have offered genuine pace most of the year in the middle of the park, and it goes a way towards justifying that particular selection. And I agree too with whoever asked about Bender playing again, and again, and again. Are we going to the well too often?
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Olo wrote:It seems an age since Morty played. Wasn’t it him who destroyed SBW in his first international?
It may have been Tindall or Hape.
I think Mortlock smashed him in an Aus v BaaBaa's match in Aus, which was before his AB debut.
That’s the one
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MungoMan wrote:
mojo wrote:Anyone put the wobs team up yet? Here it is if not. Coleman out with groin injury.

Wallabies 15-1: Dane Haylett-Petty, Sefa Naivalu, Israel Folau, Kurtley Beale, Marika Koroibete, Bernard Foley, Will Genia, David Pocock, Michael Hooper, Ned Hanigan, Rob Simmons, Izack Rodda, Allan Alaalatoa, Folau Fainga’a, Scott Sio

Reserves: Tolu Latu, Sekope Kepu, Taniela Tupou, Rory Arnold, Jack Dempsey, Pete Samu, Nick Phipps, Samu Kerevi, Tom Banks
That appears to be a team the ABs will defecate on with ease unless they are utterly distracted and disaffected.
..choke , 2 words, choke .......

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Mog The Almighty wrote:Why is Folau playing at #13 now?

FFS leave arguably the best fullback in the world (or at least in the running for it) at f-cking fullback. How hard is that? While you're at it. leave the best 7 in the world at 7 and select a proper 8.

I've been going on about this forever. Experimental selections are not going to save Australian rugby. Basics and consistent selections.
It's a tried and proven road to success. Worked very well* when the All Blacks tried it during several world cups...





* for the opposition.
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Since when has the midfield required genuine pace?

They are creators, not finishers.
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i would liek to see the AB's experiment Naholo at 13... might as well, his brother could be a future AB13.. maybe its in the blood..
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comets wrote:i would liek to see the AB's experiment Naholo at 13... might as well, his brother could be a future AB13.. maybe its in the blood..
No.
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why is Folau playing at #13 now?

FFS leave arguably the best fullback in the world (or at least in the running for it) at f-cking fullback. How hard is that? While you're at it. leave the best 7 in the world at 7 and select a proper 8.

I've been going on about this forever. Experimental selections are not going to save Australian rugby. Basics and consistent selections.
It's a tried and proven road to success. Worked very well* when the All Blacks tried it during several world cups...





* for the opposition.
Well the worlds best fullback is starting on the wing...

If I were Cheika, I'd aim midfield bombs and McKenzie with Folou on the chase.
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And that gameplan is so obvious I think the best coach in the world may just have a plan for that, shouldn't he?
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Enzedder wrote:And that gameplan is so obvious I think the best coach in the world may just have a plan for that, shouldn't he?
I don't see what Joe Schmidt has to do with this game.
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Zakar wrote:
Enzedder wrote:And that gameplan is so obvious I think the best coach in the world may just have a plan for that, shouldn't he?
I don't see what Joe Schmidt has to do with this game.
Coaches of lower tier comps should not be brought into this conversation.
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Hansen is a hack.

It's like calling the driver of a Ferrari the world's best driver because they're consistently beating a few Nissan Micras... Particularly when they were terrible behind the wheel of a Micra anyway.
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Drivers of Nissan Micras should not be part of this conversation either. :P
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Zakar wrote:Hansen is a hack.

It's like calling the driver of a Ferrari the world's best driver because they're consistently beating a few Nissan Micras... Particularly when they were terrible behind the wheel of a Micra anyway.
You leave our pet Shag alone!

He seems to have a sense of humor, be able to coach and have the respect of his players, and make very few fluxups! He's not too bad at the psych stuff neither.
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Olo wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
Kiwias wrote: Image
How old is that Picture?
it's a painting...

It’s pretty old.
It seems an age since Morty played. Wasn’t it him who destroyed SBW in his first international?
SBW is no spring chicken either.
Nah, but he's old enough to make the Wobs squawk tomorrow. Darkness by 20 +
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Zakar wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why is Folau playing at #13 now?

FFS leave arguably the best fullback in the world (or at least in the running for it) at f-cking fullback. How hard is that? While you're at it. leave the best 7 in the world at 7 and select a proper 8.

I've been going on about this forever. Experimental selections are not going to save Australian rugby. Basics and consistent selections.
It's a tried and proven road to success. Worked very well* when the All Blacks tried it during several world cups...





* for the opposition.
Well the worlds best fullback is starting on the wing...

If I were Cheika, I'd aim midfield bombs and McKenzie with Folou on the chase.
Same, tbh.
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Having Folau at centre might put a slight handbrake on that little scheme , I could well be wrong but might well allow the defensive alighment to be compromised.

I guess one of the loose forwards might cover it.

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eugenius wrote:Having Folau at centre might put a slight handbrake on that little scheme , I could well be wrong but might well allow the defensive alighment to be compromised.

I guess one of the loose forwards might cover it.

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Not many areas where the aussies have such a clear strength against a perceived AB’s weakness. Got to utilise that somehow, Shirley?
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I really like the thought of Barrett and McKenzie working in tandem, with Mo'unga on the bench. I think it's the best use of our resources. All three are creative players, but also attacking players in their own right. I like the idea of McKenzie lurking out wide, playing off offloads or 2nd phase ball. McKenzie will be able to rotate into first receiver when it suits the team, allowing Barrett to roam the wider channels where he can use his pace to create mismatches or exploit gaps in the defensive line. In the starting team we've got two creative attacking players, two solid defensive midfielders and then our two best wingers. I hope this backline clicks.
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Ali's Choice wrote:I really like the thought of Barrett and McKenzie working in tandem, with Mo'unga on the bench. I think it's the best use of our resources. All three are creative players, but also attacking players in their own right. I like the idea of McKenzie lurking out wide, playing off offloads or 2nd phase ball. McKenzie will be able to rotate into first receiver when it suits the team, allowing Barrett to roam the wider channels where he can use his pace to create mismatches or exploit gaps in the defensive line. In the starting team we've got two creative attacking players, two solid defensive midfielders and then our two best wingers. I hope this backline clicks.
What are your thoughts on the halfback situation? I don't think Smith or Perenara have played great (though they haven't played badly either) for the ABs this season.
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Tehui wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I really like the thought of Barrett and McKenzie working in tandem, with Mo'unga on the bench. I think it's the best use of our resources. All three are creative players, but also attacking players in their own right. I like the idea of McKenzie lurking out wide, playing off offloads or 2nd phase ball. McKenzie will be able to rotate into first receiver when it suits the team, allowing Barrett to roam the wider channels where he can use his pace to create mismatches or exploit gaps in the defensive line. In the starting team we've got two creative attacking players, two solid defensive midfielders and then our two best wingers. I hope this backline clicks.
What are your thoughts on the halfback situation? I don't think Smith or Perenara have played great (though they haven't played badly either) for the ABs this season.
I agree that neither is playing brilliantly or terribly. Aaron Smith has always been fairly dimensional, with his speedy, accurate pass being his main feature. TJP is clearly the more rounded player. I think both players have been cruising this year, perhaps they feel too safe in the team?
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I want Snecky to develop a running game to add a new dimension. If BB is getting shut down Snecky needs to snipe.
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AfterDavid actually has a really nice step when he picks his moment. He got that nice try vs Aus in Dunedin last year stepping inside Hooper & there was this one vs the Boks a few years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_lXDZmkLE
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5pm Oz time. Nearly missed it.
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CrazyIslander wrote:5pm Oz time. Nearly missed it.
Not on Ch 10 though from a quick scan?
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why is Folau playing at #13 now?

FFS leave arguably the best fullback in the world (or at least in the running for it) at f-cking fullback. How hard is that? While you're at it. leave the best 7 in the world at 7 and select a proper 8.

I've been going on about this forever. Experimental selections are not going to save Australian rugby. Basics and consistent selections.
It's a tried and proven road to success. Worked very well* when the All Blacks tried it during several world cups...





* for the opposition.
Well the worlds best fullback is starting on the wing...

If I were Cheika, I'd aim midfield bombs and McKenzie with Folou on the chase.
Same, tbh.
I'd just swap MacKenzie and BB out when defending for that added mid air strength, you need some height to counter the helicopter style of Fulool flailing away up there.
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grievous wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:5pm Oz time. Nearly missed it.
Not on Ch 10 though from a quick scan?
It's on Ch10 4:55pm
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CrazyIslander wrote:
grievous wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:5pm Oz time. Nearly missed it.
Not on Ch 10 though from a quick scan?
It's on Ch10 4:55pm
Good. I dont have to listen to Kearnsy.
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Looks like the crowd will be at 50k max.

Given anything above 45k will be the highest attendance in Japanese international rugby history, it’s a dead rubber on neutral territory, and the tickets cost more than some of the RWC games at that venue I’m not sure why anyone should be surprised.

The Category 1 tickets are more expensive than the ABs Twickenham test FFS :? I can see why NZR took this game to Japan
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Kiwis love to say "dead rubber".
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CrazyIslander wrote:Kiwis love to say "dead rubber".
But that’s what it is. I just saw a headline in The Australian calling it a dead rubber, a headline in The Japan Times calling it a dead rubber, a headline on the Planet Rugby main site that none of us ever visit calling it a dead rubber ...

Don’t be so precious
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:AfterDavid actually has a really nice step when he picks his moment. He got that nice try vs Aus in Dunedin last year stepping inside Hooper & there was this one vs the Boks a few years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_lXDZmkLE
Doesn't do it enough but. I'd like him dart from the scrum base or ruck a little more to keep the oppo's backs guessing.

And that's also 6 years ago.
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Pretty funny to see posters call Aaron Smith one dimensional and lacking as an attacking threat.

He's one of our regular try scorers, FFS. He is awesome in backing up when our players make breaks.
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its a dead rubber but if the Wallabies somehow win, it would be more of a well used rubber *wink* *wink* cause butt f**king the AB's is every team's desire..
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Going to be a bit of a come down after the mitre 10 cup final... might watch the 2nd half
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