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bimboman wrote:
Leffe wrote:
Petej wrote:https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/en ... e-limited/

Vote leave fined more. £40000
We still don't have a proper investigation into it. We need a Mueller style investigation.
The whole thing should have been stopped from this alone.

There's still circa 500K of dark untraceable money in FB adverts to push it over hte line.

Remain is out spending leave campaigns by 50% and always have. As for the "dark" money :lol:
Call me pig fūcker spent the vast majority of remain money on leaflets the absolute cretinous piece of shit. Still irrelevant as that money is traceable unlike Aron banks dodgy shell companies. How's the march going?
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”
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Petej wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Leffe wrote:
Petej wrote:https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/en ... e-limited/

Vote leave fined more. £40000
We still don't have a proper investigation into it. We need a Mueller style investigation.
The whole thing should have been stopped from this alone.

There's still circa 500K of dark untraceable money in FB adverts to push it over hte line.

Remain is out spending leave campaigns by 50% and always have. As for the "dark" money :lol:
Call me pig fūcker spent the vast majority of remain money on leaflets the absolute cretinous piece of shit. Still irrelevant as that money is traceable unlike Aron banks dodgy shell companies. How's the march going?
Gideon, I think, not Dave.

Otherwise all good

In other news I see that the character charged with heckling Soubry on camera thinks it is all a setup. His trial had to be adjourned when his supporters started chanting "Soubry is a nazi" from the public gallery

Very 1970s radical politics but I suspect not related
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sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”
Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
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ManInTheBar wrote:
sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”
Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
With Hitler shouting about the British? Might not help out with the Brexiteers... :lol:
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Leffe wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”

Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
With Hitler shouting about the British? Might not help out with the Brexiteers... :lol:
Any way you like - Hitler (as Remainer ) discovers the Referendum result; Hitler realises he is at the mercy of DUP; Hitler fails to get MV3

If I had the skillz......
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Leffe wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”

Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
With Hitler shouting about the British? Might not help out with the Brexiteers... :lol:
Any way you like - Hitler (as Remainer ) discovers the Referendum result; Hitler realises he is at the mercy of DUP; Hitler fails to get MV3

If I had the skillz......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prFjbFDA1WY
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Very good!
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bimboman wrote:
Leffe wrote:
Petej wrote:https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/en ... e-limited/

Vote leave fined more. £40000
We still don't have a proper investigation into it. We need a Mueller style investigation.
The whole thing should have been stopped from this alone.

There's still circa 500K of dark untraceable money in FB adverts to push it over hte line.

Remain is out spending leave campaigns by 50% and always have. As for the "dark" money :lol:
Funny how tin foil hat is apparently the reserve of right wingers.
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https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status ... 0379940865

The only thing agreed was everyone hates Bercow :lol: :lol: :lol:
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rfurlong wrote:if May called another meaningful vote and presented a choice to parliament between her deal and a second ref/long extension (same thing really), surely she would instantly circumvent bercow and watch in glee as the headbangers in DUP and ERG jumped into her boat?
That'll be her plan, but Remainers would have no incentive and even with DUP-ERG she might not have the numbers.

Some Brexiteers (20+) prefer extension to May's Treaty.
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Rugby2023 wrote:
rfurlong wrote:if May called another meaningful vote and presented a choice to parliament between her deal and a second ref/long extension (same thing really), surely she would instantly circumvent bercow and watch in glee as the headbangers in DUP and ERG jumped into her boat?
That'll be her plan, but Remainers would have no incentive and even with DUP-ERG she might not have the numbers.

Some Brexiteers (20+) prefer extension to May's Treaty.
Short extension is what they might agree to,anything longer and all out mutiny going by todays cabinet meeting.

May still has to have a clearly defined plan for the EU summit Thursday.
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tazman77 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
rfurlong wrote:if May called another meaningful vote and presented a choice to parliament between her deal and a second ref/long extension (same thing really), surely she would instantly circumvent bercow and watch in glee as the headbangers in DUP and ERG jumped into her boat?
That'll be her plan, but Remainers would have no incentive and even with DUP-ERG she might not have the numbers.

Some Brexiteers (20+) prefer extension to May's Treaty.
Short extension is what they might agree to,anything longer and all out mutiny going by todays cabinet meeting.

May still has to have a clearly defined plan for the EU summit Thursday.
She better get on to Angela and ask her what it is then.
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Petej wrote:https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/en ... e-limited/

Vote leave fined more. £40000
We still don't have a proper investigation into it. We need a Mueller style investigation.

“Fewer than 20 people made complaints about the 196,000 text messages we sent during the referendum campaign. This is far lower than the commercial texting campaigns who have previously been fined by the ICO. Vote Leave was operating in a highly political environment, which makes false allegations much more likely. It is therefore highly likely that the tiny number of people who complained to the ICO were doing so for political purposes.

“The ICO took over two years to bring these complaints to our attention, when they could easily have done so in the summer of 2016. Unlike the Stronger In campaign, we deleted all of our data after the referendum as agreed with the ICO, so their decision to prosecute us now feels particularly vindictive.

“Both during and after the referendum, Vote Leave complied with both the letter and spirit of the law. We have exchanged 46 letters with the ICO since the referendum, most of them refuting conspiracy theories peddled by people unhappy with the referendum result. To be fined £40,000 for fewer than 20 complaints which they were aware of over two years ago, shows their desperation to pin something on us after we had rebutted all of their other ludicrous theories.”

So they deleted the database as per ICO instructions, 2 years later they have no data so cant answer questions from ICO and are then fined for it.

Talk about bias.
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Petej wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... -1.3830474
I thought this article is decent
It's a Tintin O'Fool article - by definition it can't be decent; possibly the only columnist who makes Yannis Varoufakis seem reasoned.
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lilyw wrote:
Petej wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... -1.3830474
I thought this article is decent
It's a Tintin O'Fool article - by definition it can't be decent; possibly the only columnist who makes Yannis Varoufakis seem reasoned.
What's unreasonable about it?

Genuinely interested in the answer, I thought it was a good piece too so I'd be interested to know what the issues are with it.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Leffe wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”

Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
With Hitler shouting about the British? Might not help out with the Brexiteers... :lol:
Any way you like - Hitler (as Remainer ) discovers the Referendum result; Hitler realises he is at the mercy of DUP; Hitler fails to get MV3

If I had the skillz......
:lol: :lol: :thumbup:
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tazman77 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
rfurlong wrote:if May called another meaningful vote and presented a choice to parliament between her deal and a second ref/long extension (same thing really), surely she would instantly circumvent bercow and watch in glee as the headbangers in DUP and ERG jumped into her boat?
That'll be her plan, but Remainers would have no incentive and even with DUP-ERG she might not have the numbers.

Some Brexiteers (20+) prefer extension to May's Treaty.
Short extension is what they might agree to,anything longer and all out mutiny going by todays cabinet meeting.

May still has to have a clearly defined plan for the EU summit Thursday.
More Cake !

It sounds like she plans on asking for both a short; & a long extension; because she knows her Party won't wear a long one; & the EU know nothing will change between now & July; & a long; because she knows the EU knows a short one is pointless. :roll:

As usual she ignores the inconvenient fact that for a long extension; the UK has to elect MEPs; & the short extension, is a joke, when you have to start selecting MEP candidates right at the start of the extension.

Yet again she's putting Party before Country; & the UK before the EU27; & she expects the EU27 to help her in this.

Roll on No Deal; the UK has made it's bed.
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So the EU / Barnier press conference is on in a few minutes. Something like we are waiting to hear from Teresa May as to what she proposes, lets do everything we can to avoid no deal, EU is open to an extension but we need to know for how long and what purpose.
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fishfoodie wrote:
tazman77 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
rfurlong wrote:if May called another meaningful vote and presented a choice to parliament between her deal and a second ref/long extension (same thing really), surely she would instantly circumvent bercow and watch in glee as the headbangers in DUP and ERG jumped into her boat?
That'll be her plan, but Remainers would have no incentive and even with DUP-ERG she might not have the numbers.

Some Brexiteers (20+) prefer extension to May's Treaty.
Short extension is what they might agree to,anything longer and all out mutiny going by todays cabinet meeting.

May still has to have a clearly defined plan for the EU summit Thursday.
More Cake !

It sounds like she plans on asking for both a short; & a long extension; because she knows her Party won't wear a long one; & the EU know nothing will change between now & July; & a long; because she knows the EU knows a short one is pointless. :roll:

As usual she ignores the inconvenient fact that for a long extension; the UK has to elect MEPs; & the short extension, is a joke, when you have to start selecting MEP candidates right at the start of the extension.

Yet again she's putting Party before Country; & the UK before the EU27; & she expects the EU27 to help her in this.

Roll on No Deal; the UK has made it's bed.
It is looking very likely.
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Leffe wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Leffe wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
sewa wrote:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8907080706

Details of the strong leadership, “She sat their like a nodding dog, not making a proper decision. She should be leading.”

Is there a Brexit version of Downfall? There really should be
With Hitler shouting about the British? Might not help out with the Brexiteers... :lol:
Any way you like - Hitler (as Remainer ) discovers the Referendum result; Hitler realises he is at the mercy of DUP; Hitler fails to get MV3

If I had the skillz......
:lol: :lol: :thumbup:

found this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prFjbFDA1WY
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Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
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paddyor wrote:
BREAKING: Our negotiators have just initialled a trade agreement with Iceland & Norway for the European Economic Area. This is the 2nd biggest agreement we're rolling over and trade with EEA is worth nearly £30bn. This is on top of the agreement we’ve signed with Liechtenstein.
Guess who? It’s not Alan partridge. That last sentence is gold.
Stig Eidissen @stigeidi
Norwegian media reports that the agreement of today only covers tariffs in the event of no deal. That is very far from a roll-over of the current EEA arrangement, which includes services, capital, non-tariff barriers etc. https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status
Any truth to this Norwegian dudes reply that it is not quite as all encompassing as Liam would have us believe?
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BokJock wrote:
paddyor wrote:
BREAKING: Our negotiators have just initialled a trade agreement with Iceland & Norway for the European Economic Area. This is the 2nd biggest agreement we're rolling over and trade with EEA is worth nearly £30bn. This is on top of the agreement we’ve signed with Liechtenstein.
Guess who? It’s not Alan partridge. That last sentence is gold.
Stig Eidissen @stigeidi
Norwegian media reports that the agreement of today only covers tariffs in the event of no deal. That is very far from a roll-over of the current EEA arrangement, which includes services, capital, non-tariff barriers etc. https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status
Any truth to this Norwegian dudes reply that it is not quite as all encompassing as Liam would have us believe?
Norwegian media is reporting exactly that

https://www.dn.no/norge-og-storbritanni ... 2-1-568370

Google translate says:
"The agreement continues with important provisions that are currently regulated by the EEA Agreement. All established tariff preferences exist, including zero duty for industrial goods. Thus, Norway does not have to go over to the WTO Customs if the UK crashes out of the EU without agreement on the terms of the divorce.

Customs-free quotas for seafood and agricultural products are also being continued.

However, service trade is not covered."

Also the UK accepts Norwegian and Swiss technical standards unilaterally (i.e. they are not obliged to accept UK ones). That sounds as if we need the deal more than the other party at this juncture.

"The crisis agreement does not cover technical regulations and rules for trade in food, animals and plants, but here the British have stated that they will accept imports of goods from Norway and Iceland during a transition period.

The agreement will apply temporarily while the negotiations are underway for a more complete trade agreement."
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ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.

The will of the people line is coming under some strain it seems.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
See, here's the bloody issue!! No-one gives a fudge what these pricks campaigned or voted for 2+ years ago! We need you lot to get passed that and deliver SOMETHING!! :x
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12 days and UK sleepwalks into a hard brexit


Much like a porn flick, the fun doesn't start until its hard.
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DonBillydeParis wrote:
rfurlong wrote:not sure its been posted here yet, but this should be rammed down the DUP/ERG/Brexiteer throats

no UK trade deal with USA if the GFA is threatened

https://www.ft.com/content/c0aa6358-469 ... d669740bfb

sobering reading for the swivel eyed loons
I can't read the FT article, who in US administration has made such a statement? I thought that Trump government although they disagree on how UK PM has negotiated the Brexit deal they were in favor of Brexit. This seems to contradict what I (possibly mis)understood.
Richard Neal, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee....

another link here - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/u ... -1.3822274
Mr Neal, who chairs the committee that will have sign-off on any future trade deal between the United States and Britain, has warned that the issue of the border and the future of peace in Northern Ireland will weigh heavily as members consider a trade deal with Britain.
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ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
That is very true. I put up part of the "Vote Leave" leaflet from the time of the campaign. It involved quite visibly securing a deal from the EU.
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rfurlong wrote:
DonBillydeParis wrote:
rfurlong wrote:not sure its been posted here yet, but this should be rammed down the DUP/ERG/Brexiteer throats

no UK trade deal with USA if the GFA is threatened

https://www.ft.com/content/c0aa6358-469 ... d669740bfb

sobering reading for the swivel eyed loons
I can't read the FT article, who in US administration has made such a statement? I thought that Trump government although they disagree on how UK PM has negotiated the Brexit deal they were in favor of Brexit. This seems to contradict what I (possibly mis)understood.
Richard Neal, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee....

another link here - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/u ... -1.3822274
Mr Neal, who chairs the committee that will have sign-off on any future trade deal between the United States and Britain, has warned that the issue of the border and the future of peace in Northern Ireland will weigh heavily as members consider a trade deal with Britain.
Your mistake there Don was thinking something Trump says is actually something that means anything.
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tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
That is very true. I put up part of the "Vote Leave" leaflet from the time of the campaign. It involved quite visibly securing a deal from the EU.
May I ask where you stand now? (not asking rhetorically/bimbastically)
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ManInTheBar wrote:
BokJock wrote:
paddyor wrote:
BREAKING: Our negotiators have just initialled a trade agreement with Iceland & Norway for the European Economic Area. This is the 2nd biggest agreement we're rolling over and trade with EEA is worth nearly £30bn. This is on top of the agreement we’ve signed with Liechtenstein.
Guess who? It’s not Alan partridge. That last sentence is gold.
Stig Eidissen @stigeidi
Norwegian media reports that the agreement of today only covers tariffs in the event of no deal. That is very far from a roll-over of the current EEA arrangement, which includes services, capital, non-tariff barriers etc. https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status
Any truth to this Norwegian dudes reply that it is not quite as all encompassing as Liam would have us believe?
Norwegian media is reporting exactly that

https://www.dn.no/norge-og-storbritanni ... 2-1-568370

Google translate says:
"The agreement continues with important provisions that are currently regulated by the EEA Agreement. All established tariff preferences exist, including zero duty for industrial goods. Thus, Norway does not have to go over to the WTO Customs if the UK crashes out of the EU without agreement on the terms of the divorce.

Customs-free quotas for seafood and agricultural products are also being continued.

However, service trade is not covered."

Also the UK accepts Norwegian and Swiss technical standards unilaterally (i.e. they are not obliged to accept UK ones). That sounds as if we need the deal more than the other party at this juncture.

"The crisis agreement does not cover technical regulations and rules for trade in food, animals and plants, but here the British have stated that they will accept imports of goods from Norway and Iceland during a transition period.

The agreement will apply temporarily while the negotiations are underway for a more complete trade agreement."
Liam Fox was "stretching the truth" :shock: :shock: :shock:

This is such a fudge up, how can anyone still support Brexit - the best we can now hope for is the same trade deal but no say in any changes that the bigger trading block makes.

Our great hope is apparently a shiny new trade deal with Trump - who has already said that the deal with the EU is stacked heavily against the US, so the best we can hope for is something a little worse than the deal we currently have (accept right now the Orange plum knows we are desperate).

But...you know...bendy bananas and scary Polish cleaners, fruit pickers, builders and plumbers
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ManInTheBar wrote:
tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
That is very true. I put up part of the "Vote Leave" leaflet from the time of the campaign. It involved quite visibly securing a deal from the EU.
May I ask where you stand now? (not asking rhetorically/bimbastically)
You will no deal Brexit(most probable scenario currently) unless May pushes through her shitshow of a deal( I can't see the ERG or the DUP giving full support but we will see). About 70%/30% weighting.

2nd ref or Article 50 Revocation just will not happen.
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tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
That is very true. I put up part of the "Vote Leave" leaflet from the time of the campaign. It involved quite visibly securing a deal from the EU.
May I ask where you stand now? (not asking rhetorically/bimbastically)
You will no deal Brexit(most probable scenario currently) unless May pushes through her shitshow of a deal( I can't see the ERG or the DUP giving full support but we will see). About 70%/30% weighting.

2nd ref or Article 50 Revocation just will not happen.
Sorry, I meant what would you LIKE as an outcome (and does the above imply, as your name does, that you are an Australian citizen)?
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de_Selby wrote:
lilyw wrote:
Petej wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... -1.3830474
I thought this article is decent
It's a Tintin O'Fool article - by definition it can't be decent; possibly the only columnist who makes Yannis Varoufakis seem reasoned.
What's unreasonable about it?

Genuinely interested in the answer, I thought it was a good piece too so I'd be interested to know what the issues are with it.
Like all of his articles it is well written & apparently cogently argued. However you soon realise that his entire argument is based upon a series of completely unsubstantiated opinions of his that he presents as though they were unarguable facts.

A few examples:
It reveals a polity that cannot create consensus because it lacks a foundation in social consent.
What does that even mean? It is vacuous nonsense.
Brexit is a dead horse, a form of nationalist energy that started to decompose rapidly on June 24th, 2016, as soon as it entered the field of political reality. It can’t go anywhere. It can’t carry the British state to any promised land.
This is a classic case of a circular argument - by starting with the assumption that Brexit cannot deliver he will then prove that Brexit cannot deliver. No amount of skillful writing can get over that logical fallacy.
For when you really are alone, what are you alone with? You are alone with your demons.
Again this is just an opinion masquerading as the outcome of a reasoned argument. One could equally say that you are alone with your triumphs & successes; however that wouldn't suit TO'F's preconceptions.

(I'm against Brexit so don't accuse me of bias against the message, in this case I just want to shoot the messenger.)
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ManInTheBar wrote:
tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
tazman77 wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:Leadsom and Gove apparently at loggerheads in Cabinet according to Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/pm- ... ong-delay/

Gove saying he was Chairman of Vote Leave and that he did not campaign for a no deal Brexit.
That is very true. I put up part of the "Vote Leave" leaflet from the time of the campaign. It involved quite visibly securing a deal from the EU.
May I ask where you stand now? (not asking rhetorically/bimbastically)
You will no deal Brexit(most probable scenario currently) unless May pushes through her shitshow of a deal( I can't see the ERG or the DUP giving full support but we will see). About 70%/30% weighting.

2nd ref or Article 50 Revocation just will not happen.
Sorry, I meant what would you LIKE as an outcome (and does the above imply, as your name does, that you are an Australian citizen)?
I would like a deal rather than chaos. I am Irish. I am stuck in the middle of brexit over here.
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RodneyRegis wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Leffe wrote:
Petej wrote:https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/en ... e-limited/

Vote leave fined more. £40000
We still don't have a proper investigation into it. We need a Mueller style investigation.
The whole thing should have been stopped from this alone.

There's still circa 500K of dark untraceable money in FB adverts to push it over hte line.

Remain is out spending leave campaigns by 50% and always have. As for the "dark" money :lol:
Funny how tin foil hat is apparently the reserve of right wingers.
As arguments that the referendum result was valid go, "it wasn't just one side that was breaking the rules" isn't one
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So Barnier stays bang on script as expected. No extension without a good rationale. UK must be very clear exactly what it wants and why
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lilyw wrote:
de_Selby wrote:
lilyw wrote:
Petej wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... -1.3830474
I thought this article is decent
It's a Tintin O'Fool article - by definition it can't be decent; possibly the only columnist who makes Yannis Varoufakis seem reasoned.
What's unreasonable about it?

Genuinely interested in the answer, I thought it was a good piece too so I'd be interested to know what the issues are with it.
Like all of his articles it is well written & apparently cogently argued. However you soon realise that his entire argument is based upon a series of completely unsubstantiated opinions of his that he presents as though they were unarguable facts.

A few examples:
It reveals a polity that cannot create consensus because it lacks a foundation in social consent.
What does that even mean? It is vacuous nonsense.
It means that no one knows what they want with Brexit, including the people who voted for it
lilyw wrote:
Brexit is a dead horse, a form of nationalist energy that started to decompose rapidly on June 24th, 2016, as soon as it entered the field of political reality. It can’t go anywhere. It can’t carry the British state to any promised land.
This is a classic case of a circular argument - by starting with the assumption that Brexit cannot deliver he will then prove that Brexit cannot deliver. No amount of skillful writing can get over that logical fallacy.
I read this as saying the same thing as the above quote - the horse started decomposing immediately after the vote because it became clear the Brexiteers didn't have any plan beyond winning the vote in the first place
lilyw wrote:
For when you really are alone, what are you alone with? You are alone with your demons.
Again this is just an opinion masquerading as the outcome of a reasoned argument. One could equally say that you are alone with your triumphs & successes; however that wouldn't suit TO'F's preconceptions.
That's just the witty line he ends the piece with :/
lilyw wrote: (I'm against Brexit so don't accuse me of bias against the message, in this case I just want to shoot the messenger.)
Well I was just going to accuse you of something along those lines, so I guess you've made my point for me!
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