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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.


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I do love how “no deal” disaster has just become a fact.


Hardly - 35% of the population is just about to vote for it, based on the word of a selfish charlatan.




They’re just people who don’t care if there’s short term issues to defend the democracy of the UK.

If you think voting for this spiv is protecting democracy Ive got some magic beans you might be interested in.


I think the system of politicians representing the people’s wishes and those wishes being demonstrated by votes is important.


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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.


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etherman wrote:
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etherman wrote:
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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.



You’re very sure of this. Also if so, so what ? That’s democracy.


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bimboman wrote:
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I do love how “no deal” disaster has just become a fact.


Hardly - 35% of the population is just about to vote for it, based on the word of a selfish charlatan.




They’re just people who don’t care if there’s short term issues to defend the democracy of the UK.

If you think voting for this spiv is protecting democracy Ive got some magic beans you might be interested in.


I think the system of politicians representing the people’s wishes and those wishes being demonstrated by votes is important.

Yes, that was working well. Then you decided fùck this lets have a referendum.


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bimboman wrote:
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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.



You’re very sure of this. Also if so, so what ? That’s democracy.

Thats the death of democracy you moron.


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Yes, that was working well. Then you decided fùck this lets have a referendum.



That was a decision made by the electoral process as well.


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etherman wrote:
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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.


At least we have not joined the Euro like some stupid cvnts


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Thats the death of democracy you moron.


What is?


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Thats the death of democracy you moron.


What is?

If democratic decisions turn out to be awful for the country, do you think that strengthen democracy or undermines it as a form of government?


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I do love how “no deal” disaster has just become a fact.


Hardly - 35% of the population is just about to vote for it, based on the word of a selfish charlatan.




They’re just people who don’t care if there’s short term issues to defend the democracy of the UK.

If you think voting for this spiv is protecting democracy Ive got some magic beans you might be interested in.


Perhaps we will be forced to vote twice


The EU usually requires you continue to have votes until you do as your told


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)

That douche bag openly told the wimminz of the N: that they should stop working and get busy making babies. That's not gonna sit well with people, so we were pretty much waiting for him to fall, it was his destiny.


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case

Seriously wtf? :uhoh:


Did you not know it is illegal to publish an exit poll whilst voting is still taking place? Not all EU countries are even voting today. The elections have not closed.

But using illegal dark money, is cool.


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Is it?


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


Fair enough didn't realise that.

If the FvD are far right, then they have stayed the same

Summary:

A surprisingly good night for Dutch PvdA (Labour Party, previously in a death spiral), with a solid performance from Rutte’s VVD. Disappointment for leftish D66, but greens did well.

The result will be seen as a disappointment for the pro-Nexit Forum, which had been forecast as a potential winner. The anti-European PVV is also set to see its support slashed from four to just one seat, according to the Ipsos poll. In total, just 15% of Dutch voters have voted for pro-Nexit parties and support for Eurosceptic parties, including the Socialists, is down from 23% to just over 19%.

Read more at DutchNews.nl:

Exit poll for Netherlands shows unexpected gains for social democrats and smaller than predicted percentage for Thierry Baudets FvD


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The EU usually requires you continue to have votes until you do as your told


:lol: :lol: :lol: Another idiotic voice joins the fray


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It is entirely up to the Dutch how they vote. That is democracy.


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bimboman wrote:
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I do love how “no deal” disaster has just become a fact.


Hardly - 35% of the population is just about to vote for it, based on the word of a selfish charlatan.




They’re just people who don’t care if there’s short term issues to defend the democracy of the UK.

If you think voting for this spiv is protecting democracy Ive got some magic beans you might be interested in.


I think the system of politicians representing the people’s wishes and those wishes being demonstrated by votes is important.

That's not the premise of MP's, this has already been determined. They set their stall out, you vote for them, they do not have to change their minds as you do, with each headline in the Mail and Express.


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bimboman wrote:
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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.



You’re very sure of this. Also if so, so what ? That’s democracy.

No it's not. The result was ADVISORY. If the result had been binding, the referendum would have been deemed legally null and void due to all the anomalies. These are facts.


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Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


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etherman wrote:
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I consider it my duty to vote

You're duty to who? You're fùcking your country.



By voting ?

How odd.

It is. The English and Welsh have voted for a national disaster. Well done you stupid cùnts.


Not all of us. But yes, I agree with you. Stupid plum.


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Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.


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Thats the death of democracy you moron.


What is?

If democratic decisions turn out to be awful for the country, do you think that strengthen democracy or undermines it as a form of government?



I think the government that implements the bad ideas people have voted for get voted out by then same process. The process isn’t at fault.


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Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?


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Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?


As I said, you just cannot accept it. The majority of people who voted in 2016 decided they wanted to leave. Inconvenient but true. Both main political parties said they would honour the result. They have not.


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Leffe wrote:
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Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?



Sophistic nonsense again, this has been covered and covered. Just admit you don’t really like democracy.


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[quote="Mick Mannock"][quote="Leffe"][quote="Mick Mannock"][quote="Leffe"][quote="Mick Mannock"]Is it?[/quote]
Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.[/quote]

You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.[/quote]
Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?[/quote]

As I said, you just cannot accept it. The majority of people who voted in 2016 decided they wanted to leave. Inconvenient but true. Both main political parties said they would honour the result. They have not.[/quote]
In an advisory referendum, which had it been binding would have been legally deemed null and void.


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Oh so you would like the referendum overturned on a technicality.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
Leffe wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
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Mick Mannock wrote:
Is it?

Apparently Mick, otherwise you and your supposed democracy loving buddies, would strongly question the result of the referendum.


You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?


As I said, you just cannot accept it. The majority of people who voted in 2016 decided they wanted to leave. Inconvenient but true. Both main political parties said they would honour the result. They have not.


Why should anyone accept the result of an advisory referendum won by lies and fraud by a small majority (37% of the electorate)? Thereby, as someone who believes in democracy, I will use my democratic right to oppose it in any way I can.


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Oppose it all you like...democratically. Perfectly reasonable.


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Why should anyone accept the result of an advisory referendum won by lies and fraud by a small majority (37% of the electorate)? Thereby, as someone who believes in democracy, I will use my democratic right to oppose it in any way I can.



You say you’re a democrat but then go for remain bullshit bingo.


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interesting how demoralised both Labour and Tories are after today's polls


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That was the most dispiriting Election Day in 35 years a Labour member. Our voters are flocking to the Greens & Lib Dems because of their clear & unequivocal support for a #FinalSay #peoplesvote & Remain. So sad & so avoidable. #BrexitShambles #EUelections2019


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Thank you to everyone who voted for the @Conservatives today. My sense, for what it's worth, is that we are facing a total wipeout - zero MEPs. I just hope our next leader can get Brexit over the line.


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Why should anyone accept the result of an advisory referendum won by lies and fraud by a small majority (37% of the electorate)? Thereby, as someone who believes in democracy, I will use my democratic right to oppose it in any way I can.



You say you’re a democrat but then go for remain bullshit bingo.

:lol: :lol:

That was a genuine good'un


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Why should anyone accept the result of an advisory referendum won by lies and fraud by a small majority (37% of the electorate)? Thereby, as someone who believes in democracy, I will use my democratic right to oppose it in any way I can.



You say you’re a democrat but then go for remain bullshit bingo.


Of course

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-polit ... m-36306681


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Glad i was able to visit the UK before brexit........

Loads of great memories.... Loved Tenby in particular.......


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Why should anyone accept the result of an advisory referendum won by lies and fraud by a small majority (37% of the electorate)? Thereby, as someone who believes in democracy, I will use my democratic right to oppose it in any way I can.



You say you’re a democrat but then go for remain bullshit bingo.


Of course

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-polit ... m-36306681



So now you want Farages opinion.... amazing.


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You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?


As I said, you just cannot accept it. The majority of people who voted in 2016 decided they wanted to leave. Inconvenient but true. Both main political parties said they would honour the result. They have not.

In an advisory referendum, which had it been binding would have been legally deemed null and void.

I object to the accusation that they haven't tried to honour the result. They have all tried to honour the result in their own special incompetent way. They had a withdrawal bill and deal which was biggly great but the brexit saboteurs in the DUP and conservatives sunk it. Then some change their minds and then some unchanged their minds. Though they have changed their minds about lots of different aspects of brexit since 2016. They seem to have such bad memories i'm surprised some of them can put their socks on or turn up in the right place (dominic raab and dover) and do anything really (chris grayling and andrea jenkyns :lol: :lol: :lol:). I'm curious to see what Boris does as I wouldn't put anything past him (he will do whatever is best for Boris but it will be interesting to see what that is). It seems unfair that they can change their minds so many times and we can't and it seems unfair that they are trying to change the the rules to reverse the previous decision they made about Limpet May. The brexit party is a collective tantrum though it is impressive that the cons are losing to a party that has stated that its goals included making the country poorer for 30 years. I think May takes the spot as worst ever PM but Cameron can be 2nd bottom as once he was allowed to roam freely and unchecked he decided to kick himself in the nuts and run one of the worst campaigns in history (though May managed to do even worse).

I think I shall finish on some inspirational brexiteer quotes starting with Nige
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If Brexit is a disaster I will go and live abroad

As David Davis once said,
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If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.

To follow on with another great brexiteer quote from Andrea Leadsom:
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“I don’t think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving".

Lets finish with David Davis who evidently used to have a functioning brain but unfortunately it has sadly deteriorated and i suspect he has memory problems as well:
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There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool. The Chairman of the Public Administration Committee, who is no longer in the Chamber, said that Clement Attlee—who is, I think, one of the Deputy Prime Minister's heroes—famously described the referendum as the device of demagogues and dictators. We may not always go as far as he did, but what is certain is that pre-legislative referendums of the type the Deputy Prime Minister is proposing are the worst type of all.
Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.

We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.


Do the houses of parliament have lead pipes or lead paint and ventilation issues?


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Oh so you would like the referendum overturned on a technicality.

:lol:


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You cannot accept the result. That is your problem. Just grow up please. I do not question or throw tizzies about the result of other elections.

Is it the"Ad" or the "visory" part of the word "advisory" that you struggle with?


As I said, you just cannot accept it. The majority of people who voted in 2016 decided they wanted to leave. Inconvenient but true. Both main political parties said they would honour the result. They have not.

In an advisory referendum, which had it been binding would have been legally deemed null and void.

I object to the accusation that they haven't tried to honour the result. They have all tried to honour the result in their own special incompetent way. They had a withdrawal bill and deal which was biggly great but the brexit saboteurs in the DUP and conservatives sunk it. Then some change their minds and then some unchanged their minds. Though they have changed their minds about lots of different aspects of brexit since 2016. They seem to have such bad memories i'm surprised some of them can put their socks on or turn up in the right place (dominic raab and dover) and do anything really (chris grayling and andrea jenkyns :lol: :lol: :lol:). I'm curious to see what Boris does as I wouldn't put anything past him (he will do whatever is best for Boris but it will be interesting to see what that is). It seems unfair that they can change their minds so many times and we can't and it seems unfair that they are trying to change the the rules to reverse the previous decision they made about Limpet May. The brexit party is a collective tantrum though it is impressive that the cons are losing to a party that has stated that its goals included making the country poorer for 30 years. I think May takes the spot as worst ever PM but Cameron can be 2nd bottom as once he was allowed to roam freely and unchecked he decided to kick himself in the nuts and run one of the worst campaigns in history (though May managed to do even worse).

I think I shall finish on some inspirational brexiteer quotes starting with Nige
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If Brexit is a disaster I will go and live abroad

As David Davis once said,
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If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.

To follow on with another great brexiteer quote from Andrea Leadsom:
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“I don’t think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving".

Lets finish with David Davis who evidently used to have a functioning brain but unfortunately it has sadly deteriorated and i suspect he has memory problems as well:
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There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool. The Chairman of the Public Administration Committee, who is no longer in the Chamber, said that Clement Attlee—who is, I think, one of the Deputy Prime Minister's heroes—famously described the referendum as the device of demagogues and dictators. We may not always go as far as he did, but what is certain is that pre-legislative referendums of the type the Deputy Prime Minister is proposing are the worst type of all.
Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.

We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.


Do the houses of parliament have lead pipes or lead paint and ventilation issues?

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What I honestly find gobsmacking is the brass neck of some folks who claim to be democrats but defend undemocratic and illegal means to their own ends.

The hypocrisy is off the scale. They are truly vile people and meet the definition of enemies of the state.


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