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Sefton wrote:Now we have the straw man, he’s so predictable, it’s pointless.
Sefton wrote:bimboman wrote:Sefton wrote:Now we have the straw man, he’s so predictable, it’s pointless.
Yours was a straw man bringing in ideology. You’re so dishonest as usual.
Unless you incentivise them to do so by making it more attractive to work. But you can't do that.Nolanator wrote:It's fair to say that there are enough unemployed bodies in the state to pick up the workload that's been done by EU migrants to now, but many of those are long term unemployed and will never enter the workforce.backrow wrote:I was being deliberately daily mail there, fact is that most east euros have much better work ethics than most brits and do the jobs that Kevin and shaz can’t be arsed to, thanks to a myriad of reasons not excluding overly generous welfare state.Nolanator wrote:Many less well-paid jobs in Britain rely on migrant workers because Brits won't do the work.
cf, that apple farmer a few weeks ago.
Doesn’t alter the fact though that if currently unemployed brits were helping the farmer instead of a field of Romanians , the drain to the state would be less.
Not going to dispute what you’re saying. But, the austerity implemented probably took more out of the economy than a couple of jobbing immigrants trying to save a few quid. Isn’t it govt policy to keep wages low along with taxes as the route to growth? It’s not just in unskilled labour that wage growth is sluggish and that’s not all migrants.danny_fitz wrote:I appreciate this is very anecdotal but I have quite a few friends involved in the events/hospitality and construction industries and from what I hear that in London at least well over 50% of their casual labour/staffing are east European. The general pattern is that the vast majority are under 30, have no dependents and living in multi share low cost accommodation. They are here to save money and are very savvy financially, they work all hours available, do overtime, work weekends etc. They cook communally, take lunches into work, drink 80p cans of Tyskie beer at home rather then paying £5 plus down the pub. On that basis they can save a tidy some over a few years before heading back home.Plato'sCave wrote:Do they all live 17 to a flat in your mind?backrow wrote: Because they have low costs of living , sharing with 17 others in a small but surprisingly well kept and reasonably priced rental flat in Wanstead
I know a couple of people in Prague with serious health issues who will have to return to the UK in the case of no deal because they won't be able to afford private health insurance. I wonder how many there are like that across the EU.clementinfrance wrote:I've heard it all now...
Young, healthy, productive tax payers/migrants are the real strain on the poor old NHS.
Not one mention of the burdensome Baby Boomer generation or the cuts in NHS funding.
Classic.
I 100% agree. I mean he spent his entire political life opposing the EU.He's just sad May could push it through.SamShark wrote:
It must be devastating to be a hard working Labour MP and see a small group of people at the top of the party trashing your chances of re-election.
I simply don't believe Corbyn's policy is tactical, it's just because he wants Brexit but daren't admit it.
His policy has shown to be totally innefective.
Brexiteers believe he is too remainey and prefer the Brexit party, remainers believe he is too Brexity and prefer Lib Dem/Green.
Labour voters and members are more remainey than Brexity but the leadership just keep pushing the "All northern working people are Brexiteers so we have to keep this policy" argument.
What difference will it make? Who do you think pays for their medical fees in CR?MrJonno wrote:I know a couple of people in Prague with serious health issues who will have to return to the UK in the case of no deal because they won't be able to afford private health insurance. I wonder how many there are like that across the EU.clementinfrance wrote:I've heard it all now...
Young, healthy, productive tax payers/migrants are the real strain on the poor old NHS.
Not one mention of the burdensome Baby Boomer generation or the cuts in NHS funding.
Classic.
European migrants in the UK. You still don't know how the EU works or who is actually contributing millions to the NHS every week.RodneyRegis wrote:
Who do you think pays for their medical fees in CR?
Thankfully Sajid the non-entity is getting nowhere near the top spot.paddyor wrote:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/11 ... 46919?s=21
What's all this about a parallel currency Alan? Bluff?AlanBengio wrote:“I am European, not a stupid British imperialist. I am sick of it all - Brexit, and all those stupid people and all the damage they are doing to my Country” - said Elton John two days ago from Verona.
[just to add some spice to the thread]
Btw this UK flounce is more embarrassing than a Globus one... I am going I am going I am going - and then they’re still “posting”
Really Farage will be paid again with my money? Oh dear...
lol I think Labour will probably win the seat again, they're campaigning hard in what should be fertile territory given Tory vote will be badly hit.SamShark wrote:I wish Labour would just pack it in - their presence as a non-opposition in British politics seems to help nobody.
I thought most prople were predicting a Brexit Party win, with a collapse for both Labour and Tories?Rugby2023 wrote:lol I think Labour will probably win the seat again, they're campaigning hard in what should be fertile territory given Tory vote will be badly hit.SamShark wrote:I wish Labour would just pack it in - their presence as a non-opposition in British politics seems to help nobody.
Sefton wrote:I wasn’t laughing or commenting on your facile argument, the nuance is too much for you again.bimboman wrote:Sefton wrote:bimboman wrote:Sefton wrote:Now we have the straw man, he’s so predictable, it’s pointless.
Yours was a straw man bringing in ideology. You’re so dishonest as usual.
It’s true though, all I’ve pointed out is the Fact that the population of the UK went up artificially due to immigration and that MUST affect service demand. Only someone dishonest or slow witted would argue with that.
It's currently heavily subsidised by the Czech gov if they are residents. It's a reciprocal agreement so the point is it depends on the make up and size of the populations of EU citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living in the EU. I don't know what that is but I have not heard much about EU citizens deliberately retiring to the UK. But it is not uncommon the other way. People who will have to return in the case of no deal, specifically to avail of the NHS.RodneyRegis wrote:What difference will it make? Who do you think pays for their medical fees in CR?MrJonno wrote:I know a couple of people in Prague with serious health issues who will have to return to the UK in the case of no deal because they won't be able to afford private health insurance. I wonder how many there are like that across the EU.clementinfrance wrote:I've heard it all now...
Young, healthy, productive tax payers/migrants are the real strain on the poor old NHS.
Not one mention of the burdensome Baby Boomer generation or the cuts in NHS funding.
Classic.
Don’t you , uk and Czech citizens need health insurance if resident ?MrJonno wrote:It's currently heavily subsidised by the Czech gov if they are residents. It's a reciprocal agreement so the point is it depends on the make up and size of the populations of EU citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living in the EU. I don't know what that is but I have not heard much about EU citizens deliberately retiring to the UK. But it is not uncommon the other way. People who will have to return in the case of no deal, specifically to avail of the NHS.RodneyRegis wrote:What difference will it make? Who do you think pays for their medical fees in CR?MrJonno wrote:I know a couple of people in Prague with serious health issues who will have to return to the UK in the case of no deal because they won't be able to afford private health insurance. I wonder how many there are like that across the EU.clementinfrance wrote:I've heard it all now...
Young, healthy, productive tax payers/migrants are the real strain on the poor old NHS.
Not one mention of the burdensome Baby Boomer generation or the cuts in NHS funding.
Classic.
bimboman wrote:Only someone dishonest or slow witted
Short Man Syndrome wrote:bimboman wrote:Only someone dishonest or slow witted
So you wrote one thing but you meant another. Got it.bimboman wrote:Short Man Syndrome wrote:bimboman wrote:Only someone dishonest or slow witted
I meant Sefton and others, you’re welcome to join them.
Short Man Syndrome wrote:So you wrote one thing but you meant another. Got it.bimboman wrote:Short Man Syndrome wrote:bimboman wrote:Only someone dishonest or slow witted
I meant Sefton and others, you’re welcome to join them.
Sefton wrote:You can’t even read posts correctly.bimboman wrote:Simple task in some cases.
Zico wrote:Brexitman is brexitman.
There's a 20% in every country.
Sinn Fein are the Irish version.
Scum bags
Sam Gyimah tells Sky’s @skynewsniall he is standing in Tory leadership contest
He is standing on a second referendum platform.
“I will be the only candidate in this race supporting this option.”
SamShark wrote:Good luck with that
Sam Gyimah tells Sky’s @skynewsniall he is standing in Tory leadership contest
He is standing on a second referendum platform.
“I will be the only candidate in this race supporting this option.”
Sam is the only Tory I know socially. I brought his then future Kiwi wife from NZ to London to serve as my deputy during my decade long flirtation big business. A few months after installing her in my office they hooked up at some Oxford do and promptly got down.SamShark wrote:Good luck with that
Sam Gyimah tells Sky’s @skynewsniall he is standing in Tory leadership contest
He is standing on a second referendum platform.
“I will be the only candidate in this race supporting this option.”
Saw that, everything is going to happen in no time. Honest likec69 wrote:Fair play that shows some balls.SamShark wrote:Good luck with that
Sam Gyimah tells Sky’s @skynewsniall he is standing in Tory leadership contest
He is standing on a second referendum platform.
“I will be the only candidate in this race supporting this option.”
Loathsome is utterly bonkers, on Marr atm being eviscerated.