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 Post subject: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:18 am 
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In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:24 am 
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Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


Course you would parse, it is a woman driver in a racing car, she will be shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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thread of the year contender here


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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frillage wrote:
Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


Course you would parse, it is a woman driver in a racing car, she will be shit.


:lol:

That was quite clever


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:43 am 
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It is an adjective btw.

Also a descriptor


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:56 am 
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Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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awfultyper wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


Nah

Disagree. Both adjectives. Both describe action. Car for racing and car is racing

Only noun is "race"

As in this is their "race car", ie their car for this race


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:36 am 
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koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


"Race car" would be a compound noun. But adjectives are used to describe which one or what kind, so in this sentence "racing" is an adjective.

Still unsure how it should be labelled. Maybe just as a "modifier"?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Pretty simples other example

You would be hard pressed to say walking in "Walking stick" is a noun.

Maybe people do though.

"That is a walking"


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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It's a noun composed of an adjective and a noun. These are common.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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koroke hangareka wrote:
It's a noun composed of an adjective and a noun. These are common.


Adjective composed of a noun and an adjective


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:47 am 
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Beg pardon, it's a noun composed of a verb and a noun.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Actually I just cheated and checked websters and oxford

The two words together "Racing car" is a noun

But the OP just asks about the word "racing" in "racing car", which would be an adjective.

So it depends on the question your asking I guess


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Dark wrote:
Pretty simples other example

You would be hard pressed to say walking in "Walking stick" is a noun.

Maybe people do though.

"That is a walking"


walking stick IS a noun though ? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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In the sentence written it is very specifically a compound noun, like Outside Centre or Blindside Flanker.

If the car is racing at the time and is a racing car, you could describe it as a racing racing car. if you omit the first racing in that instance, then it implies it's any car racing, not a specific racing car.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Jake wrote:
In the sentence written it is very specifically a compound noun, like Outside Centre or Blindside Flanker.

If the car is racing at the time and is a racing car, you could describe it as a racing racing car. if you omit the first racing in that instance, then it implies it's any car racing, not a specific racing car.


not a racing car specifically. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


message Donald Trump on twitter. He know all the words!


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:09 am 
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Often, grammar is subservient to context these days.

As an e.g.- I tend always to write about the games and discuss countries as collectives rather than entities.

England 'are' rather than the England 'is'.

Technically, it's the latter. In terms of ease of read, the former works much better.

You can also argue that 'England' is/are a team of people in this instance, not the country, so it's 'are' 'they' 'them' etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:22 am 
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Rule fcuking 1; just because it goes without saying, shouldn't mean it shouldn't be fcuking said when the effrontery is this egregious.

Parse my arse.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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frillage wrote:
Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


Course you would parse, it is a woman driver in a racing car, she will be shit.


Woman drivers parsing?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Who gives a shit? Does anyone past the age of 12 need to know this shit in the real world?

FYI "racing car" is a noun much in the same way "siamese cat" is a noun. There's no description going on, you're just stating what it is. "gay siamese cat" would change that because now you're adding a description to the siamese cat. It's gay.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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.. but this thread doesn't get locked...


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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.. but this thread doesn't get locked...


Look, if you wanted threads vetted for quality as a KPI in the lock/leave alone decision-making process, then mods would need to be paid fullltimers.

With security details as part of the package.

Them Serbs ain't cheap.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Who gives a shit? Does anyone past the age of 12 need to know this shit in the real world?

FYI "racing car" is a noun much in the same way "siamese cat" is a noun. There's no description going on, you're just stating what it is. "gay siamese cat" would change that because now you're adding a description to the siamese cat. It's gay.



So spinning top is a noun and spinning bottle?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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new racing-car


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Again,the OP is about the word racing, not the two together


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?

I suspect it's a gerund


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


She bought a new car, new to her or otherwise, that was racing at the time that she bought it?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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Newsome wrote:
In a sentence like this;

She bought a new racing car

"Racing" is a participle functioning as an adjective modifying car.

But if you were to parse the sentence, what would you label it as? A participle, an adjective or a verb?


adjective, because, as you said, that is it's function in the sentence.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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As pointed out above, it should really be hyphenated with car to show that it's a composite noun. Hyphens are old hat these days and not used as much as they should be. It's still part of a noun though, at least from the way it's presented in the sentence where the emphasis is that it's new.

If it was used in speech, with emphasis on it being a new racing car to distinguish it from any other form of new car, then it would be a verbal adjective and close to a gerundive.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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awfultyper wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


It’s a noun. Like wot has been said

In the same way as ‘flaming bellend’ or ‘shoot-on-sight poster’ are also nouns


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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shanky wrote:
awfultyper wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


It’s a noun. Like wot has been said

In the same way as ‘flaming bellend’ or ‘shoot-on-sight poster’ are also nouns


you think in "racing along" racing is a noun ?


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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The problem with grammar, and style, is that the authority is weak.

Linguists argue until they're blue in the face over the tiniest of points.

That's why they've evolved to the point of anarchy.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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awfultyper wrote:
shanky wrote:
awfultyper wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


It’s a noun. Like wot has been said

In the same way as ‘flaming bellend’ or ‘shoot-on-sight poster’ are also nouns


you think in "racing along" racing is a noun ?

Nope


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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All I've learnt here is that English is a fokop.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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shanky wrote:
awfultyper wrote:
shanky wrote:
awfultyper wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Nah, red car is adjective+noun, racing car is just a noun.


Agree, but it depends whether the word "racing" is used to describe the fact that the car was built for the purpose of racing, or used to describe the fact that the car is currently racing.

A guy who whizzed passed, racing along, would be in a racing car which contained an adjective.


It’s a noun. Like wot has been said

In the same way as ‘flaming bellend’ or ‘shoot-on-sight poster’ are also nouns


you think in "racing along" racing is a noun ?

Nope


well done.


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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‘Along’ isn’t a noun either, dipshit

:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Grammar question
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you're the dipshit pal, as you've shown.


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