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Police and probation officials are investigating reports that convicted child abuser Rolf Harris had entered the grounds of a primary school near his home and waved at pupils.

Thank god he didn't show those kids his didgeridoo

*ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip* - "Can you tell what it is yet ?"

I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

c69 wrote:

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

Good old wiki.

nope, good old BBC and Maidenhead advertiser - nice try though you plum

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/arts/sites/rolf-harris/

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

He admitted only the bit beyond 18, but was not believed because the girl said otherwise. I absolutely know who I would believe, and it is not the old man.

The classical path to paedophilia is
- Recognising an attraction to young people in yourself
- Legitimising it internally ("s/he is lonely, s/he is a friend, I am lonely/misunderstood")
- ...as a consequence disregarding social and legal norms as "not applicable in this case"
- Creating a scenario in which is acceptable to be close to the child
- Gaining the trust of the child and of other adults in the situation
- Abusing
- Swearing the victim to secrecy through emotional blackmail - "you don't want me to go to prison do you?", "you don't want your friends to know", and especially "no-one is going to believe you"

And this behaviour tends to repeat, i.e. once the offender has gotten away with the act, it becomes easier to overcome any fears or revulsion.

I didn't hear the evidence but this APPEARS to be exactly the allegation with regard to the friend of the daughter.

Look, there's SHED loads of this out there, far more than is widely reported. It is not JUST blokes either (though males are very over-represented). We need to be VERY careful to listen to those who say that they have been victims of this cos, I believe, they almost always have been.

backrow wrote:*ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip* - "Can you tell what it is yet ?"

Hello kiddies, have you ever seen the white-eared elephant?

ManInTheBar wrote:

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

He admitted only the bit beyond 18, but was not believed because the girl said otherwise. I absolutely know who I would believe, and it is not the old man.

The classical path to paedophilia is
- Recognising an attraction to young people in yourself
- Legitimising it internally ("s/he is lonely, s/he is a friend, I am lonely/misunderstood")
- ...as a consequence disregarding social and legal norms as "not applicable in this case"
- Creating a scenario in which is acceptable to be close to the child
- Gaining the trust of the child and of other adults in the situation
- Abusing
- Swearing the victim to secrecy through emotional blackmail - "you don't want me to go to prison do you?", "you don't want your friends to know", and especially "no-one is going to believe you"

And this behaviour tends to repeat, i.e. once the offender has gotten away with the act, it becomes easier to overcome any fears or revulsion.

I didn't hear the evidence but this APPEARS to be exactly the allegation with regard to the friend of the daughter.

Look, there's SHED loads of this out there, far more than is widely reported. It is not JUST blokes either (though males are very over-represented). We need to be VERY careful to listen to those who say that they have been victims of this cos, I believe, they almost always have been.

whats the phrase again for wanting to shag 16 y o girls ? not pedaphilia, but the other term ? he's deffo that

Cradle snatcher?

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:Cradle snatcher?

Child abuse

Let's not soften it

Ephebrophilia was what I meant.

16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

OK, it is very very exceptional for an adult of 45 NOT to be in a position of power over a 17 or 18 year old. What kind of relationship can that be?

I just think folk don't realise how pernicious and widespread this behaviour is, I do think that high profile cases have generally helped in uncovering the scale of abuse but that does not mean that there are no more victims to come forward or that there is less happening out there.

In fact, I would make the assumption that many women (perhaps most women) could relate some story of being exposed at, or groped or worse while they were of school age. I expect most of them don't want to remember the experience let alone retell it in public.

ManInTheBar wrote:

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

OK, it is very very exceptional for an adult of 45 NOT to be in a position of power over a 17 or 18 year old. What kind of relationship can that be?

I just think folk don't realise how pernicious and widespread this behaviour is, I do think that high profile cases have generally helped in uncovering the scale of abuse but that does not mean that there are no more victims to come forward or that there is less happening out there.

In fact, I would make the assumption that many women (perhaps most women) could relate some story of being exposed at, or groped or worse while they were of school age. I expect most of them don't want to remember the experience let alone retell it in public.

many women, perhaps - most ? nah
unless you count schoolboys showing their winkies to girls, in which case yep most (tbf mostly it was the girls interested in seeing ours than the other way around)

backrow wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

OK, it is very very exceptional for an adult of 45 NOT to be in a position of power over a 17 or 18 year old. What kind of relationship can that be?

I just think folk don't realise how pernicious and widespread this behaviour is, I do think that high profile cases have generally helped in uncovering the scale of abuse but that does not mean that there are no more victims to come forward or that there is less happening out there.

In fact, I would make the assumption that many women (perhaps most women) could relate some story of being exposed at, or groped or worse while they were of school age. I expect most of them don't want to remember the experience let alone retell it in public.

many women, perhaps - most ? nah
unless you count schoolboys showing their winkies to girls, in which case yep most (tbf mostly it was the girls interested in seeing ours than the other way around)

Fair enough

I feel strongly about this as you can tell

ManInTheBar wrote:

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

He admitted only the bit beyond 18, but was not believed because the girl said otherwise. I absolutely know who I would believe, and it is not the old man.

The classical path to paedophilia is
- Recognising an attraction to young people in yourself
- Legitimising it internally ("s/he is lonely, s/he is a friend, I am lonely/misunderstood")
- ...as a consequence disregarding social and legal norms as "not applicable in this case"
- Creating a scenario in which is acceptable to be close to the child
- Gaining the trust of the child and of other adults in the situation
- Abusing
- Swearing the victim to secrecy through emotional blackmail - "you don't want me to go to prison do you?", "you don't want your friends to know", and especially "no-one is going to believe you"

And this behaviour tends to repeat, i.e. once the offender has gotten away with the act, it becomes easier to overcome any fears or revulsion.

I didn't hear the evidence but this APPEARS to be exactly the allegation with regard to the friend of the daughter.

Look, there's SHED loads of this out there, far more than is widely reported. It is not JUST blokes either (though males are very over-represented). We need to be VERY careful to listen to those who say that they have been victims of this cos, I believe, they almost always have been.

Good points.

I have to ask myself why men and women want to spend their spare time in shorts being scout and cub leaders around young people.

But they are CRB checked I hear you say? Ian Huntley managed to outwit the CRB check system by changing his name before applying to Soham School for the caretakers job.

Varsity Way wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

He admitted only the bit beyond 18, but was not believed because the girl said otherwise. I absolutely know who I would believe, and it is not the old man.

The classical path to paedophilia is
- Recognising an attraction to young people in yourself
- Legitimising it internally ("s/he is lonely, s/he is a friend, I am lonely/misunderstood")
- ...as a consequence disregarding social and legal norms as "not applicable in this case"
- Creating a scenario in which is acceptable to be close to the child
- Gaining the trust of the child and of other adults in the situation
- Abusing
- Swearing the victim to secrecy through emotional blackmail - "you don't want me to go to prison do you?", "you don't want your friends to know", and especially "no-one is going to believe you"

And this behaviour tends to repeat, i.e. once the offender has gotten away with the act, it becomes easier to overcome any fears or revulsion.

I didn't hear the evidence but this APPEARS to be exactly the allegation with regard to the friend of the daughter.

Look, there's SHED loads of this out there, far more than is widely reported. It is not JUST blokes either (though males are very over-represented). We need to be VERY careful to listen to those who say that they have been victims of this cos, I believe, they almost always have been.

Good points.

I have to ask myself why men and women want to spend their spare time in shorts being scout and cub leaders around young people.

But they are CRB checked I hear you say? Ian Huntley managed to outwit the CRB check system by changing his name before applying to Soham School for the caretakers job.

It's DBS now though these only hold details on offenders who have been identified

Huntley would not have been employed had the school followed 'Safer Recruitment' practices and taken up employment references, I believe.

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Girl I used to know used work on Saturday morning television here in Ireland and she came home from work after he had been on wouldn't shut up about what a horrible lecherous old pervert he was. She was properly pissed off about it as well. This was in the early 2000's.

I'd imagine the persona he presents to the wider public at such events as you reference, especially when there are large rugby playing men around, is somewhat different to when he has the smell of prey in his nose!

PornDog wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Girl I used to know used work on Saturday morning television here in Ireland and she came home from work after he had been on wouldn't shut up about what a horrible lecherous old pervert he was. She was properly pissed off about it as well. This was in the early 2000's.

I'd imagine the persona he presents to the wider public at such events as you reference, especially when there are large rugby playing men around, is somewhat different to when he has the smell of prey in his nose!

maybe

I was more referring to the school fetes and stuff he did in the 80's when I was little, not my present large rugby playing man size.

backrow wrote:

PornDog wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Girl I used to know used work on Saturday morning television here in Ireland and she came home from work after he had been on wouldn't shut up about what a horrible lecherous old pervert he was. She was properly pissed off about it as well. This was in the early 2000's.

I'd imagine the persona he presents to the wider public at such events as you reference, especially when there are large rugby playing men around, is somewhat different to when he has the smell of prey in his nose!

maybe

I was more referring to the school fetes and stuff he did in the 80's when I was little, not my present large rugby playing man size.

Fair enough, but the point still stands that he's much less likely to be a gropey lecherous shit in full view of a crowd than he is in more manageable circumstances.

Are they going to revoke his British Citizenship and deport him?

backrow wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

OK, it is very very exceptional for an adult of 45 NOT to be in a position of power over a 17 or 18 year old. What kind of relationship can that be?

I just think folk don't realise how pernicious and widespread this behaviour is, I do think that high profile cases have generally helped in uncovering the scale of abuse but that does not mean that there are no more victims to come forward or that there is less happening out there.

In fact, I would make the assumption that many women (perhaps most women) could relate some story of being exposed at, or groped or worse while they were of school age. I expect most of them don't want to remember the experience let alone retell it in public.

many women, perhaps - most ? nah
unless you count schoolboys showing their winkies to girls, in which case yep most (tbf mostly it was the girls interested in seeing ours than the other way around)

I'd err on the side of most, if you move the goalposts slightly. Doesn't have to be physical, plenty of men enjoy staring at schoolies and making them uncomfortable etc which is all part of it.

PornDog wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Girl I used to know used work on Saturday morning television here in Ireland and she came home from work after he had been on wouldn't shut up about what a horrible lecherous old pervert he was. She was properly pissed off about it as well. This was in the early 2000's.

I'd imagine the persona he presents to the wider public at such events as you reference, especially when there are large rugby playing men around, is somewhat different to when he has the smell of prey in his nose!

An experience shared by somebody I know.

She used to work with him and he groped in front of her boss who did nothing.

We men can be vile

Varsity Way wrote: I have to ask myself why men and women want to spend their spare time in shorts being scout and cub leaders around young people.

Not all are dodgy. I spent years in Cubs and Scouts, I was a very sexy child and no-one abused me.

Varsity Way wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

backrow wrote:

Farva wrote:

backrow wrote:I should say that I am firmly in the 'Rolf is innocent' camp, I'm from Maidenhead and there was never a whiff of scandal or rumours that he's a dodgy type, unlike fellow Berkshire resident at the time Timmy Mallet.

Rolf used to do school fetes and book readings in the library type things - was fine and had lot of time for everyone, and no 'come and look at my etchings' type grooming.

Well, he is convicted, so drop me in the "Rolf is guilty" camp.

from what I recall, was extremely flimsy case, not on par with Ched Evans for miscarriage of justice but not far off. think he entered no plea, and there were some images of models who may or may not have been under 18, but were not from sites noted for child porn.
Only 2 or 3 people made the claims and were aged around 16, and ultimately became a he-said she-said scenario. I honestly think were he a true peado, then there would have been more than 2 or 3 people saying it. He admitted to nobbing his daughters friend for several years, and clearly knew her before she was 18, and that must have played a big part in his conviction.

he was also let out rather quickly, and aquitted on a bunch of other charges too.

He admitted only the bit beyond 18, but was not believed because the girl said otherwise. I absolutely know who I would believe, and it is not the old man.

The classical path to paedophilia is
- Recognising an attraction to young people in yourself
- Legitimising it internally ("s/he is lonely, s/he is a friend, I am lonely/misunderstood")
- ...as a consequence disregarding social and legal norms as "not applicable in this case"
- Creating a scenario in which is acceptable to be close to the child
- Gaining the trust of the child and of other adults in the situation
- Abusing
- Swearing the victim to secrecy through emotional blackmail - "you don't want me to go to prison do you?", "you don't want your friends to know", and especially "no-one is going to believe you"

And this behaviour tends to repeat, i.e. once the offender has gotten away with the act, it becomes easier to overcome any fears or revulsion.

I didn't hear the evidence but this APPEARS to be exactly the allegation with regard to the friend of the daughter.

Look, there's SHED loads of this out there, far more than is widely reported. It is not JUST blokes either (though males are very over-represented). We need to be VERY careful to listen to those who say that they have been victims of this cos, I believe, they almost always have been.

Good points.

I have to ask myself why men and women want to spend their spare time in shorts being scout and cub leaders around young people.

But they are CRB checked I hear you say? Ian Huntley managed to outwit the CRB check system by changing his name before applying to Soham School for the caretakers job.

The CRB didn’t exist in 2001, but nevertheless in Ian Huntley's case we are talking about “police intelligence” that didn’t lead to a conviction. I don’t believe that a CRB check would pick that up anyway.

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:16 is the age of consent right? If there is consent at that age and no abuse of power (i.e teacher, employer or coach) it can’t be child abuse.

Many laws make provisions that people much older than 16 year old can't shag them. Largely because they can sue power of experience, financial control etc over their lives.

As Backrow has stated, there was not the merest whiff of anything untoward regarding Rolf’s behaviour in the air in and around Maidenhead. A (female) friend in a local print shop did work for him regularly and never had a bad word to say about him. I helped out at the shop on a couple of occasions and met him once, can’t say any of my spidey senses were piqued and I’m usual pretty sensitive to such things. Husband met him at various events and never heard of or witnessed anything dodgy.
There are/have been many celebs living in the area, several of whom have been the subject of rumours and speculation but nothing was ever directed at Rolf...
I was VERY surprised that he was found guilty.

Alright Aitch?

kids presenter, uses a Hammer type prop
TV AM chappie, catholic, likes sordid parties
laydee tv presenter, likes shagging footballers, likes sordid parties

they are the ones who sprang to mind

Sandstorm wrote:Alright Aitch?

Nice to see you pop in H. Hope hubby is OK.

aitch@wasps wrote:As Backrow has stated, there was not the merest whiff of anything untoward regarding Rolf’s behaviour in the air in and around Maidenhead. A (female) friend in a local print shop did work for him regularly and never had a bad word to say about him. I helped out at the shop on a couple of occasions and met him once, can’t say any of my spidey senses were piqued and I’m usual pretty sensitive to such things. Husband met him at various events and never heard of or witnessed anything dodgy.
There are/have been many celebs living in the area, several of whom have been the subject of rumours and speculation but nothing was ever directed at Rolf...
I was VERY surprised that he was found guilty.

This is actually quite a common sentiment many said about him. Of course the fact he was befriending 13 years olds and having affairs later on is quite creepy in itself. people can have different sides and desire in some can extend to just the few rather than the many. Also he had the reputation as the Octopus in Australia for the frequency he used to grope women. Saying that, the last bit is hardly much different I suppose to many aussies I have seen partying around London's pubs and night clubs on the pull.

backrow wrote:kids presenter, uses a Hammer type prop
TV AM chappie, catholic, likes sordid parties
laydee tv presenter, likes shagging footballers, likes sordid parties

they are the ones who sprang to mind

The first is Timmy M?

Second is Richard Keys who has been shagging his daughters friends apparently?

Third is, well, quite a few candidates. Any more clues>

eldanielfire wrote:

backrow wrote:kids presenter, uses a Hammer type prop
TV AM chappie, catholic, likes sordid parties
laydee tv presenter, likes shagging footballers, likes sordid parties

they are the ones who sprang to mind

The first is Timmy M?

Second is Richard Keys who has been shagging his daughters friends apparently?

Third is, well, quite a few candidates. Any more clues>

1. maybe..
2. no, think older, balder, less hairy handed
3. 3rd one shops in Ikea, drives a Volvo, and listens to Abba, and has a couple of pints of doggers man-fat seeping out most probably

backrow wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

backrow wrote:kids presenter, uses a Hammer type prop
TV AM chappie, catholic, likes sordid parties
laydee tv presenter, likes shagging footballers, likes sordid parties

they are the ones who sprang to mind

The first is Timmy M?

Second is Richard Keys who has been shagging his daughters friends apparently?

Third is, well, quite a few candidates. Any more clues>

1. maybe..
2. no, think older, balder, less hairy handed
3. 3rd one shops in Ikea, drives a Volvo, and listens to Abba, and has a couple of pints of doggers man-fat seeping out most probably

3. Ulrika ka ka ka

maybe....

backrow wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

backrow wrote:kids presenter, uses a Hammer type prop
TV AM chappie, catholic, likes sordid parties
laydee tv presenter, likes shagging footballers, likes sordid parties

they are the ones who sprang to mind

The first is Timmy M?

Second is Richard Keys who has been shagging his daughters friends apparently?

Third is, well, quite a few candidates. Any more clues>

1. maybe..
2. no, think older, balder, less hairy handed
3. 3rd one shops in Ikea, drives a Volvo, and listens to Abba, and has a couple of pints of doggers man-fat seeping out most probably

2. I'm clueless?

3 = Ulrika?

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