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Mick Mannock wrote:
bessantj wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Name a Welsh winger better than May. Jj Williams might have a shout. All the others are slower or tiny.
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Slower
But a good shout
Still better.
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Speed wise Nigel Walker eot
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c69 wrote:Speed wise Nigel Walker eot
10.45 100m
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Mick Mannock wrote:
c69 wrote:Speed wise Nigel Walker eot
10.45 100m
May would be nowhere close over 100m by any metric.
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A personal best of 10.49 metres per second in a 40-metre speed test which would equate to a time of 9.53 seconds over 100 metres.

So yeah, not even close.
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote:A personal best of 10.49 metres per second in a 40-metre speed test which would equate to a time of 9.53 seconds over 100 metres.

So yeah, not even close.
I'm not sure what you think this proves, but it doesn't prove anything re May vs Walker.
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote:A personal best of 10.49 metres per second in a 40-metre speed test which would equate to a time of 9.53 seconds over 100 metres.

So yeah, not even close.
:lol: https://www.givemesport.com/1451441-tac ... r-bellerin

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The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
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c69 wrote:
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote:A personal best of 10.49 metres per second in a 40-metre speed test which would equate to a time of 9.53 seconds over 100 metres.

So yeah, not even close.
:lol: https://www.givemesport.com/1451441-tac ... r-bellerin

You are a moron
Haha, ouch. Hadn't seen that article, great read. Interesting on the Howlett stat too, didn't Spies run 10.3? :roll:
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Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
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great story about may's first tour on the last house of rugby with hask and marler :lol:

https://youtu.be/iCYWr7VXOa0?t=2797
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c69 wrote:
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote:A personal best of 10.49 metres per second in a 40-metre speed test which would equate to a time of 9.53 seconds over 100 metres.

So yeah, not even close.
:lol: https://www.givemesport.com/1451441-tac ... r-bellerin

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May clocked that with a hammie injury? Christ...
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Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
Unless it's Olympics type speed.
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Akkerman wrote:great story about may's first tour on the last house of rugby with hask and marler :lol:

https://youtu.be/iCYWr7VXOa0?t=2797
:lol: :lol: That is superb.
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Zakar wrote:
Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
Can't agree. Jason Robinson, anyone?
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It's basic physics.

Acceleration is a person's ability to gain speed. If you max speed is low, you might have fantastic acceleration but will get run down very quickly. Plenty of props actually have great acceleration, but hit their max speed in 4 steps.
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Zakar wrote:It's basic physics.

Acceleration is a person's ability to gain speed. If you max speed is low, you might have fantastic acceleration but will get run down very quickly. Plenty of props actually have great acceleration, but hit their max speed in 4 steps.
Yeah nah. That may well be right in laboratory testing but out here in the real world, where those of us possessed of freakish athletic ability hang out, variables apply... like being quick enough to open a 10 m gap with only 30 m to the line or feed a support runner etc etc... acceleration is a dominant factor when it comes to usable speed on a rugby field I reckon.
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For any other position, I'd rather have real burst and the ability to get up to speed very quickly. The quick twitch ability to accelerate is more important than long-speed for anyone else, even including full-back I'd suggest. As a winger though, you really want that top end speed. You can be very effective without it- see Jack Nowell- but when you have it, it's a game changer.

You have to know how to use it, as May now appears to do. Once you can use that long-speed you are tilting the field all of the time. Your inside backs have more gaps because the defensive line has to stretch. Your opposite number is playing shit or bust games every time he comes up to close down. The threat of it is so important. England's kicking game would be effective without May, but with his ability to turn on the turbos it is much more of a weapon.

I'd tend to think he is a very, very good winger in a purple patch rather than a great player. So few wingers sustain dominance though because almost all are reliant on having the gas that is only there when fully fit. If May proves to be able to maintain this speed for another couple of years, he'll continue to be a serious difference maker- especially in a team that still lacks a touch of precision when moving the ball wide.
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JM2K6 wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
Can't agree. Jason Robinson, anyone?
:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's actually pretty rare, even for an outside back, that they are genuinely tested in a straight line sprint over 50/60 metres. They'll either reach the line or get cut off by cover defence before that (obv pace makes the last bit easier, but even the fastest player can't make up for someone who's already ahead of them by 15m on an angle) whereas acceleration can create breaks or half breaks at any time.
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As I recall Elton Flatley ran down Jason Robinson over about 50m, but insane speeds over distance are really the province of sevens players. He was in no way slow, but his game (certainly in Union) was about the initial burst of acceleration to beat the opposition, either on the outside or through the gap, allied to amazing footwork. This try is a prime example.

https://youtu.be/OMKV-qhNPso

He also had a great hand off, if you go back to some of his Wigan tries he's straight arming blokes way bigger than him flat onto their backs. It seems to be something of a forgotten art these days.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:As I recall Elton Flatley ran down Jason Robinson over about 50m
Not quite, it was Flatley with the ball ahead of Robinson but Robinson didn't make any headway on catching him.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:As I recall Elton Flatley ran down Jason Robinson over about 50m
Not quite, it was Flatley with the ball ahead of Robinson but Robinson didn't make any headway on catching him.
Why let facts get in the way of things?

Anyway, the general point stands.

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The fact that, as England fans, we're even discussing a winger with similar-ish speed to Usain Bolt is fücken excellent considering we are the same fan base that had to watch the likes of Vainikolo, Banahan and 2004 Cohen on the wings.
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How about Jonny May vs Christian Cullen?
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EverReady wrote:How about Jonny May fück off. I am sick of hearing his name as if he is not still a bit shit
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
Can't agree. Jason Robinson, anyone?
:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's actually pretty rare, even for an outside back, that they are genuinely tested in a straight line sprint over 50/60 metres. They'll either reach the line or get cut off by cover defence before that (obv pace makes the last bit easier, but even the fastest player can't make up for someone who's already ahead of them by 15m on an angle) whereas acceleration can create breaks or half breaks at any time.
Wasn't May tested over 50m just yesterday, when he proved to be (surprisingly) no faster than Owen Farrell and hooker Stuart McInally?
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charltom wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
Can't agree. Jason Robinson, anyone?
:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's actually pretty rare, even for an outside back, that they are genuinely tested in a straight line sprint over 50/60 metres. They'll either reach the line or get cut off by cover defence before that (obv pace makes the last bit easier, but even the fastest player can't make up for someone who's already ahead of them by 15m on an angle) whereas acceleration can create breaks or half breaks at any time.
Wasn't May tested over 50m just yesterday, when he proved to be (surprisingly) no faster than Owen Farrell and hooker Stuart McInally?
His attempted tackle on McInally was pathetic. Really dumb thinking. Was poor yesterday.
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Every single May try in this tournament was either a clear unopposed run in to the try lineor just flop on the ball on the ground. My nan could've scored them all.

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Super fast and can finish trys. Sounds like a world class winger to me.
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AND-y wrote:Super fast and can finish trys. Sounds like a world class winger to me.
Or as most people call them, a winger
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charltom wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Saint wrote:The whole 100m timed Sprint and 40m times Sprint I completely irrelevant when it comes to rugby anyway(except for the occasional length of the pitch breakaway)

Three useful things for a winger (assuming they don't have flippers for hands) - positioning, timing, and acceleration
No. Acceleration is only useful if you max speed is something worth talking about.
Can't agree. Jason Robinson, anyone?
:nod: :nod: :nod:

It's actually pretty rare, even for an outside back, that they are genuinely tested in a straight line sprint over 50/60 metres. They'll either reach the line or get cut off by cover defence before that (obv pace makes the last bit easier, but even the fastest player can't make up for someone who's already ahead of them by 15m on an angle) whereas acceleration can create breaks or half breaks at any time.
Wasn't May tested over 50m just yesterday, when he proved to be (surprisingly) no faster than Owen Farrell and hooker Stuart McInally?

You mean when he overtook Farrell and caught up with McInally? He screwed up the tackle but if your takeaway from that was that he was no quicker then you must have been pissed before kick off
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He also got bumped for Johnson’s try
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Apparently "world class" wingers can get away with being completely unable to tackle a slower player running directly in front of them. As long as they can run quickly in space and dot the ball down, they are "world class".

https://twitter.com/SixNationsRugby/sta ... 7438791681

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Mick Mannock wrote:
c69 wrote:Speed wise Nigel Walker eot
10.45 100m
Really - thought he was quicker, as in not far off sprint relay standard.
Didn't he run the sprint relay for Wales in a Commonwealth Games?
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slick wrote:He also got bumped for Johnson’s try
err - Daly surely ?
see the gif on the Rugby gifs thread


he missed the tackle on McNally, that is true - but otherwise had a decent game, and a good tournament.

edit for Captain Grecian 2000 here - is this the bump you mean ?

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He was also superb under the high ball, taking lots of contested kicks. One of the first names on the team sheet these days.
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Seems like a strange player for people to take exception too? He's a total space cadet not a dick like Ashton or Armitage.
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tc27 wrote:Seems like a strange player for people to take exception too? He's a total space cadet not a dick like Ashton or Armitage.
But he's English and good, an unforgivable crime
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
tc27 wrote:Seems like a strange player for people to take exception too? He's a total space cadet not a dick like Ashton or Armitage.
But he's English and good, an unforgivable crime
Catch up he's actually shit now dontyaknow...
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