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I taught my kids to say in unison, at the climax of the Lynch movie...

"For he *is* the nick nack paddy whack."

A real cult movie moment, like throwing toast in Rocky Horror.
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6.Jones wrote:I taught my kids to say in unison, at the climax of the Lynch movie...

"For he *is* the nick nack paddy whack."

A real cult movie moment, like throwing toast in Rocky Horror.
What I will say for the Lynch movie, some of the set design is great, the spice dreams are trippy and the Toto soundtrack has some interesting songs/moments amidst all the camp mush.
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Brazil wrote:Timothee Chamalet had better improve on his showing in that total shitshow "The King".
I thought he was pretty decent in that.

Actually enjoyed it too. Albeit, I don't know enough about the period to get wound up by historical inaccuracies.
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Margin_Walker wrote:
Brazil wrote:Timothee Chamalet had better improve on his showing in that total shitshow "The King".
I thought he was pretty decent in that.

Actually enjoyed it too. Albeit, I don't know enough about the period to get wound up by historical inaccuracies.
I rarely if ever get wound up about historical inaccuracies in films.
Historians are not film critics and if the changes have a thematic or illustrative purpose (without going massively overboard in the change) I'm fine with it.
Michael Collins is a good example of a movie that winds up some historical accuracy types sometimes, but I fully understand the changes they made.

Chamalet is a great young actor with a very distinct look, think he's a great choice.
Doesn't look at all like Isaac though, who I don't particularly like as an actor.
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I have gone completely gay for beardless Jason Momoa. HOLY CRAP HE IS GORGEOUS!
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The Man Without Fear wrote:I have gone completely gay for beardless Jason Momoa. HOLY CRAP HE IS GORGEOUS!
He doesn't look like a bum anymore.
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/facepalm

I misread Oscar Issac as Jason Issacs. No wonder I didn't recognise him in the pic on the previous page.
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Jason Isaacs would be a better choice imo,.
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Probably too old, Leto is supposed to be a fairly young Duke. Was only a teenager when Paulus was gorged by the bull and died.
Not that the age of an actor really makes that much of a difference over the age of 30, I suppose.
Jason Issacs would probably have more gravitas/presence, mind you.
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Floppykid wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:
Brazil wrote:Timothee Chamalet had better improve on his showing in that total shitshow "The King".
I thought he was pretty decent in that.

Actually enjoyed it too. Albeit, I don't know enough about the period to get wound up by historical inaccuracies.
I rarely if ever get wound up about historical inaccuracies in films.
Historians are not film critics and if the changes have a thematic or illustrative purpose (without going massively overboard in the change) I'm fine with it.
Michael Collins is a good example of a movie that winds up some historical accuracy types sometimes, but I fully understand the changes they made.

Chamalet is a great young actor with a very distinct look, think he's a great choice.
Doesn't look at all like Isaac though, who I don't particularly like as an actor.
It was a total and utter bag of shit. Quite why anybody thought it would be good to rewrite Henry IV and V, but without anything to really distinguish it from Shakespeare's plotting other than a crap twist, rubbish dialogue and making Falstaff shit is beyond me.

To be fair to Chamalet he was dealing with some pretty ropey material.
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Brazil wrote: It was a total and utter bag of shit. Quite why anybody thought it would be good to rewrite Henry IV and V, but without anything to really distinguish it from Shakespeare's plotting other than a crap twist, rubbish dialogue and making Falstaff shit is beyond me.

To be fair to Chamalet he was dealing with some pretty ropey material.
Haven't seen The King, but Falstaff is an atrociously annoying character whose presence ruins Henry IV. Hate the plum!
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Dune - overated books, awful film, very good RTS Pc game back in the day circa 1995
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backrow wrote:Dune - overated books, awful film, very good RTS Pc game back in the day circa 1995
The first book was absolutely brilliant, beyond that I'd agree though - I tried to get into the second and I got nowhere with it, it was great for putting me to sleep at night though.

I took a group of people who hadn't read the books to a screening of the film a couple of years ago, and they understandably hated it. I even found it incoherent even though I knew what the story was.
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backrow wrote:Dune - overated books, awful film, very good RTS Pc game back in the day circa 1995
Dune 2

Hell of a game for its time and remember getting up at an insane hour in the morning just to play it for a while before going to school.

Dune 1 was some kind of RPG iirc
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Margin_Walker wrote:
backrow wrote:Dune - overated books, awful film, very good RTS Pc game back in the day circa 1995
Dune 2

Hell of a game for its time and remember getting up at an insane hour in the morning just to play it for a while before going to school.

Dune 1 was some kind of RPG iirc
Ah maybe it was dune 2, was a point and click game like command conquer or Warcraft.

Once Age of empires came out though, I never played any other RTS!
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Dune 2 widely credited as the daddy of those RTS games.

Always had a soft spot for the original though. While you couldn't possibly lose militarily so long as the spice flowed, the characters and soundtrack stay with you.
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Dune 2 was class. Basically the direct predecessor to the C&C games. Essentially the same game mechanics, same studio.

Dune the book is brilliant. Messiah and Children of... really slow down and get bogged down in the whole cult of personality and messiah aspect of Paul and Alia. When I first read Dune at the age of 10/11 (the age I started playing Dune 2), I moved directly to Messiah and failed miserably to finish it> When I finally read it a few years later, I couldn't remember most of it. After that it goes a bit bonkers with the time jumps and complete shift in the antagonists. Some very interesting concepts and ideas, but I really wasn't a fan of how Herbert explored it all.
The whole diaspora of humans spreading far afield without the need for Navigators, and then returning hundreds/thousands of years later with new technologies etc and rampaging across the galaxy was cool. Then the fact that they're supposedly fleeing from something that they themselves encountered. Huge scope for the kind of stuff I like, but I honestly can't remember any of the finer details.
The Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson wrapped up the saga and that was a bit..crap, TBH.
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Youse such a nerd :lol:
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I do love me some sci-fi.
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Floppykid wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Floppykid wrote:God damnit don't bump this unless there's a trailer.
I can't watch trailers. They just spoil films. I'm so glad I didn't see the one for 1917 until after I watched the movie - it spoiled about 3 important plot points / scenes.
I'm desperate to see what the aesthetic he's going for is though.
And I know the plot of Dune, so that's not as much of an issue.
Same here. One of the actors described it as a brutalist nightmare
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As a none Dune-ist, what made the book so good BTW?
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eldanielfire wrote:As a none Dune-ist, what made the book so good BTW?
The aesthetic, the over arching plot/ideas about grand destiny, the Atriedes line.
It stops being interesting after Leto II, but that really is a very cool concept.
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Feudal system in the sky, prophecy, jihad, selective breeding, 400ft worms moving unimpeded through sand.

Basically a Tremors opera with politics.
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lemonhead wrote:Feudal system in the sky, prophecy, jihad, selective breeding, 400ft worms moving unimpeded through sand.

Basically a Tremors opera with politics.
A guy turning himself into a god, but in an incredibly disgusting and horrifying way.
Navigators getting insane power at the cost of turning into bloated shrimp drug addicts.

Trippy stuff.
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That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
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Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
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Even the bloody voice overs were confusing. Everybody whispering.

Hunter seeker exposition worked in the miniseries because Paul actually had someone in the room to talk to.
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dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
I first read Dune when I was 13. Pretty much re-read every couple of years with the last being 2019. When you move past Dune you realise Herbert was warning us about the dangers of saviours and depending on them. That's my very unprofessional take on it . Regarding the God emperor. The guy was pretty much the ultimate despot yeah? But...he was right. So does that make his actions ok?
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dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
Every bit of dialogue was exposition. It was dreadful.
Kyle McL was also very green as an actor.
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Floppykid wrote:
dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
Every bit of dialogue was exposition. It was dreadful.
Kyle McL was also very green as an actor.
I'm currently watching the extended edition. It's even worse for exposition via voiceover. Just non-stop.
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dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
Every bit of dialogue was exposition. It was dreadful.
Kyle McL was also very green as an actor.
I'm currently watching the extended edition. It's even worse for exposition via voiceover. Just non-stop.
But it does mirror the book
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Floppykid wrote:Navigators getting insane power at the cost of turning into bloated shrimp drug addicts.

Trippy stuff.
There's some really nice (if that's the right word) fan art I thought does a great job illustrating the stages of that process:

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BTW, I find this chap a very fine window into the Dune universe, e.g. the Spacing Guild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4xlpAMuce8
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Lacrobat wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Navigators getting insane power at the cost of turning into bloated shrimp drug addicts.

Trippy stuff.
There's some really nice (if that's the right word) fan art I thought does a great job illustrating the stages of that process:

Image

That is Daniella Westbrook level deviated septum
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Lacrobat wrote:BTW, I find this chap a very fine window into the Dune universe, e.g. the Spacing Guild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4xlpAMuce8
Would that happen to be the Ideas of Ice and Fire Channel?
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flaggETERNAL wrote:
Lacrobat wrote:BTW, I find this chap a very fine window into the Dune universe, e.g. the Spacing Guild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4xlpAMuce8
Would that happen to be the Ideas of Ice and Fire Channel?
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

ETA, his latest post has some comments from the hallowed few who have seen footage:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GajElMVZJNs
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lemonhead wrote:Navigators getting insane power at the cost of turning into bloated shrimp drug addicts.
To be fair, everyone in the Dune universe are drug addicts.
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
Every bit of dialogue was exposition. It was dreadful.
Kyle McL was also very green as an actor.
I'm currently watching the extended edition. It's even worse for exposition via voiceover. Just non-stop.
But it does mirror the book
The authorial voice was strong in that one, but it's how you get a finely detailed universe.
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dinsdale wrote:
Floppykid wrote:That's something Lynch really got right.
Spice dreams and navigators.
The whole look of the Lynch movie is fantastic. Very few dodgy casting decisions as well. The story is a disaster though. Loads of references to the book that make no sense with all that has been left out. I went and read the book after seeing the movie and loved it.

I remember watching Spitting Image shortly after Dune was released:

Barry Norman doing Film '84.

And now to the winner of last week's competition - who can figure what on earth Dune was all about. Special mention to David Lynch, he came 3rd.
Only saw the film once but can agree the best bit of the mid-80s Dune was it was visually stunning. I remember thinking Sting as the one person I recognized was misused horribly. Granted, probably wasn't much as an actor, but Feyd-Rautha should've had a larger role.

Think it's being called the mini-series here, but the one where Irulan is given a huge role in comparison to the mid-80s movie I liked more because they went more into detail. It's really silly how 2 different productions drawing from the same source material could be so wildly different.

Both versions I think have struggled with what to do post-Arrakis coup and pre-Fremen Rebellion. It's meant to be a time developing Paul into a leader, but everything gets slowed down.

Give this new film 2 hours max, are they seriously going to be able to tell the story with it making sense? It could be Dune is too complicated to fit into a movie timeframe.
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Baron Harkonnen abusing his slave boy with a f**king heart plug was just weird.
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