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Shrekles wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:46 pm Was anybody else introduced to Dune by Iron Maiden in their youth?

I played Dune 2 on PC, a friend loaned it to me in primary school.
RTS game by the same studio that would eventually make C&C. Dune 2 was pretty much where they figured out the format.

My dad then told me about the books that it was based on, which he had in the house. Read Dune when I was quite young, then bailed on Messiah. Then read all the prequels as they were released when I was a teenager and went and read the original series through. Brian Herbert and KJA has long planned to digg the series, so I needed to read them all before they released their books to tie off that arc. They weren't great, TBF.

There is a trailer for the trailer...

https://twitter.com/dunemovie/status/13 ... 06976?s=19

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:57 am Planned release date November 2020.

Imagine this is getting delayed?

https://youtu.be/hOy_UYSJWLQ


Ok. I am actually looking forward to this. Really like the atmosphere and styling, such as you can see in a trailer.

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm https://youtu.be/hOy_UYSJWLQ


Ok. I am actually looking forward to this. Really like the atmosphere and styling, such as you can see in a trailer.

My cousin informs me that her hand is in this trailer

If/when I see this movie, all I will think of is this standup bit; https://youtu.be/ZTwekCKTklE?t=95

It's a straight remake? Why not use the opportunity to explore that universe?

Pink Floyd in the soundtrack, yay.

No pus-filled Baron Harkonnen, nay.

dinsdale wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:03 am

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm https://youtu.be/hOy_UYSJWLQ


Ok. I am actually looking forward to this. Really like the atmosphere and styling, such as you can see in a trailer.

My cousin informs me that her hand is in this trailer

Meth lab explosion?

I reckon Timotei or whatever his name is will bring the girls like Leo did for Titanic. Could be big box office.
Also watched the Batman trailer. I honestly thought it was fan made - looks dodgy

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm https://youtu.be/hOy_UYSJWLQ


Ok. I am actually looking forward to this. Really like the atmosphere and styling, such as you can see in a trailer.

Don't think I saw the Baron at all unless it was the guy rising out of the blood-looking pool.

You see Dave Bautista a lot so Beast Rabban must have a larger role.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:31 am

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm https://youtu.be/hOy_UYSJWLQ


Ok. I am actually looking forward to this. Really like the atmosphere and styling, such as you can see in a trailer.

Don't think I saw the Baron at all unless it was the guy rising out of the blood-looking pool.

You see Dave Bautista a lot so Beast Rabban must have a larger role.

I reckon they have, he'd make a good big baddie for the first one.
He definitely looks imposing.

Right. Been off PR for a while. Happy to see that there was some discussion around the trailer. I thought it was fantastic! Seeing fans going off on SM about the use of crusade over jihad and Jesus Christ some people just look for reasons to complain.

Shrekles wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:46 pm Was anybody else introduced to Dune by Iron Maiden in their youth?

For me it would have been Fear is the Mindkiller, an industrial re-mix EP of songs from Soul of a New Machine by Fear Factory (I hated the re-mixes at the time, but I imagine it probably actually aged better than the album itself ).

To Tame a Land is a great track, but you have to sit through Quest for File and Sun and Steel to get to it, so it tends to get missed when I change the CD at that point.

Maiden actually asked Frank Herbert if he was OK with them naming the song Dune (as originally intended) and he replied "No, I hate rock and roll bands and especially bands like Iron Maiden".

Shrekles wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:46 pm Was anybody else introduced to Dune by Iron Maiden in their youth?

My mate was a proper electronics nerdy and experimented or read books, but didn't play sport. He introduced me to Dune (we went to see the 1985 film in the cinema together) and also some other authors, such as The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, etc.

Cue sci-fi nerd revolt. Saw a blip that "jihad" has changed to "crusade".

Think I saw that mentioned somewhere already.

Meh. Either way, it's a religious war to force their beliefs on the unbelievers, the term used was more "appropriate" in the 60s than now. The meaning is still the same.
A bunch of robe-wearing nomadic sand people having a Jihad against the industrialised foreigners who are only there to plunder their natural resources is a bit on the nose, TBF.

Keynes is now a woman.....

Tbh, I'm not bothered by it, but it does seem a bit whipped to not say Jihad.

Keynes being a woman actually helps change up the cast a good bit.
Herbert had some very weird hangups about women.

Nolanator wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:03 pm Think I saw that mentioned somewhere already.

Meh. Either way, it's a religious war to force their beliefs on the unbelievers, the term used was more "appropriate" in the 60s than now. The meaning is still the same.
A bunch of robe-wearing nomadic sand people having a Jihad against the industrialised foreigners who are only there to plunder their natural resources is a bit on the nose, TBF.

Yep. The other one is Chani calling Usul, Paul...

Floppykid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 pm Tbh, I'm not bothered by it, but it does seem a bit whipped to not say Jihad.

Keynes being a woman actually helps change up the cast a good bit.
Herbert had some very weird hangups about women.

Don't know that it's "whipped" - think it's more the understanding that you pretty much eliminate half your potential audience in the US if the good-guys are too obviously A-Rabs.

Demilich wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:20 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 pm Tbh, I'm not bothered by it, but it does seem a bit whipped to not say Jihad.

Keynes being a woman actually helps change up the cast a good bit.
Herbert had some very weird hangups about women.

Don't know that it's "whipped" - think it's more the understanding that you pretty much eliminate half your potential audience in the US if the good-guys are too obviously A-Rabs.

That's pretty whipped, bending the knee to that particular audience. An audience who, lets not forget, would go utterly mental were the opposite change to be made, even if they had no interest in seeing the actual movie.

DOB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:27 pm

Demilich wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:20 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 pm Tbh, I'm not bothered by it, but it does seem a bit whipped to not say Jihad.

Keynes being a woman actually helps change up the cast a good bit.
Herbert had some very weird hangups about women.

Don't know that it's "whipped" - think it's more the understanding that you pretty much eliminate half your potential audience in the US if the good-guys are too obviously A-Rabs.

That's pretty whipped, bending the knee to that particular audience. An audience who, lets not forget, would go utterly mental were the opposite change to be made, even if they had no interest in seeing the actual movie.

If this is the biggest objection to the trailer then that's really pretty good when you think about it.

I did see some eejit on Twatter going on about the whole white saviour complex in Paul saving the Fremen. Which is the complete opposite of what Herbert was saying..

He used Crusade and Jihad interchangeably in the book

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:09 am

AnkleTap wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:51 pm To all you Dune freaks out there. How far did you read this series?
I read all the way to Chapter House. I even tried one of the ones written by his son, but it was such utter trash I never did try any others.

All of them, including the ones his son did with KJA. Finally gave up somewhere through Jessica of Dune. The novels set between the original books were just milking it a shade too much.

I had mono in uni, and thereby a lot of downtime, so I read them all, including six from the son, in chronological order. Then they published more and more and more. fudge that.

The first 8 from the son were OK, in that there was a story to be told.
Prequel trilogy was good. Definite well-definied story and characters that we already knew and loved, but who featured much more prominently than in the originals. Plus, shed much more light on their motivations, experiences etc.
Second trilogy explored the Butlerian Jihad. Interesting to explore something which is ever-present and constantly referenced in the other books, despite being ancient history. It's the founding mythology of their society. Plus, it introduced characters which were very important for...
Finishing the original saga. Think this was their original goal, but they needed to lay the groundwork for the Big Bad that was hinted at by Frank Herbert, but never had the chance to address.

After that, it was basically shading and filling in. Some stuff of Paul as a kid, some experiences of them on Arrackis, but not big things that were covered before. Value added felt quite low. Maybe I'll get my hands on them again and read through them for completion's sake. Not a priority, though.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:58 am He used Crusade and Jihad interchangeably in the book

Who'da thunk it from Zensunni Catholicism?

Neither the movie or the mini-series ever touched on the heavy religious syncretism present. The more I think about it the more genius the religious text is called "the Orange Catholic Bible".

ukjim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:08 pm

Nolanator wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:39 am Prequel trilogy was good.

I will fücking cut you, cünt.

Those books never happened and don't fücking exist.

This is true. After I finished with Frank Herbert's books I started on the first of the prequels, but I willed it out of existence after about 100 pages.

You weren't aged 12-14 when they were released, were you?

Didn't his son or the other writer they brought in, bring Leto II back as a clone or something incredibly dumb?

Release postponed until October 2021.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:50 pm Didn't his son or the other writer they brought in, bring Leto II back as a clone or something incredibly dumb?

Yep - don't read any of these books, they are dross

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:22 pm Release postponed until October 2021.

Jesus. That's a big delay. Arse.

So I've time to read the book, then?

Yes as it's only the first half of it anyway

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:12 am Yes as it's only the first half of it anyway

Wait, what? I'm not going to see some epic nukes destroying the Shield Wall with the Fremen riding in on sandworms?

Might tease it in one of Paul's visions.

Despite second half being less interesting once they hit sand it's definitely the right choice, they can tie everything up amd do the finale justice.

Missed that entirely. Any idea at what point the film will end?

Having more time to devote to the early stuff is great, actually. Establishing the universe, time on Caladan (could be some great cinematography there), the arrival on Arrakis and scramble to set themselves up, the attack (lots of pew-pew-pew), fleeing into the dessert. The fact that Duncan Idaho is being played by a prominent actor indicates that he'll have a prominet role, which suggests that there'll be lots more stuff based on the early action.

Stillgar and Chani have been cast, so I guess we're at least going to end up with the Fremen. Probably a good point to break around there. Means that the viewer can feel as if Paul and Jessica have at least spent a lot of time with the Fremen before the final act (as a whole other film), rather than just having a time jump mid-movie.

Plus, they can give more time to mad action shit to the climax in the second book, as well as fun stuff like Paul learning to ride sandworms. The internal journey/spice trip he goes on around the middle isn't the most interesting for a screen medium.

Yeah, Paul's already seeing visions of Chani in the opening chapter so she could crop up anywhere tbh. To get their money's worth maybe she'll accompany Stilgar to the palace.

As a blockbuster presumably they'll also go light touch on all the politics but far better chance of seeing the Fenrings come into play over two parts, good potential for another antagonist there. Assume they'll wrap this one with the ruin of House Atreides & Paul and Jessica on the run. Besides the Corrino/Harkonnen subplots, Gurney and sandrider school there's not a lot of Hollywood in that second act so they'd want to hold some material back.

Attn Flag!

https://youtu.be/kcQx41TM6MY

Looks a little bit generic, but still fun.

I have trust in Denis though.