What have we learned this 6N?

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CrazyIslander wrote:- England + Wales can win RWC.
- Ireland miss the old Conor Murray
- France terrible, Italy worse
And Scotland are utterly forgettable...?
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Surely this is the best chance since 2003 for a NH world cup victory.
Australia in apparent disarray, South Africa made improvements will be there or thereabouts.
All blacks look very thin below the top team due in no small part to player drain.
Argentina do well at world cups, and are capable of good rugby.

To me though, the standard of play in the home countries is overall the best I have ever seen. Admittedly I have only seen extended highlights though.
This is the first time I can recall where there are 3 (maybe 4) home nations sides who look like they are good enough to go deep into the tournament.
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merlin the happy pig wrote:Surely this is the best chance since 2003 for a NH world cup victory.
Australia in apparent disarray, South Africa made improvements will be there or thereabouts.
All blacks look very thin below the top team due in no small part to player drain.
Argentina do well at world cups, and are capable of good rugby.

To me though, the standard of play in the home countries is overall the best I have ever seen. Admittedly I have only seen extended highlights though.
This is the first time I can recall where there are 3 (maybe 4) home nations sides who look like they are good enough to go deep into the tournament.
Agree with this, although the SH have a habit of performing at the RWC. It I had to bet my mortgage on the winner I would say either New Zealand or South Africa. But this is the best NH chance in a long time.
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Wilderbeast wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:- England + Wales can win RWC.
- Ireland miss the old Conor Murray
- France terrible, Italy worse
And Scotland are utterly forgettable...?
I beg leave to differ with the last statement. We may be 99 things, but after today ‘forgettable’ ain’t one!
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Doc Rob wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:- England + Wales can win RWC.
- Ireland miss the old Conor Murray
- France terrible, Italy worse
And Scotland are utterly forgettable...?
I beg leave to differ with the last statement. We may be 99 things, but after today ‘forgettable’ ain’t one!
Was a dig at the post I quoted ;)
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:- England + Wales can win RWC.
- Ireland miss the old Conor Murray
- France terrible, Italy worse
And Scotland are utterly forgettable...?
I beg leave to differ with the last statement. We may be 99 things, but after today ‘forgettable’ ain’t one!
Was a dig at the post I quoted ;)
Ah. Thought you posted it before the game today. My bad!
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That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
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slick wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
Are these 2 posts serious?
No, both were intended specifically and entirely to annoy you
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
slick wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
Are these 2 posts serious?
No, both were intended specifically and entirely to annoy you
:thumbup:

Didn't think you could be that daft
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mdaclarke wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Surely this is the best chance since 2003 for a NH world cup victory.
Australia in apparent disarray, South Africa made improvements will be there or thereabouts.
All blacks look very thin below the top team due in no small part to player drain.
Argentina do well at world cups, and are capable of good rugby.

To me though, the standard of play in the home countries is overall the best I have ever seen. Admittedly I have only seen extended highlights though.
This is the first time I can recall where there are 3 (maybe 4) home nations sides who look like they are good enough to go deep into the tournament.
Agree with this, although the SH have a habit of performing at the RWC. It I had to bet my mortgage on the winner I would say either New Zealand or South Africa. But this is the best NH chance in a long time.
I don't think there has ever been a world cup where NH sides are ranked at 2, 3, and 4 in the world rankings :thumbup:

Agree that NZ are the team to beat - but below them it's a bit of a free for all
Don't rate SA at all - they haven't got the control from the half-backs, or the leadership in the forwards that they've had in the past
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slick wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
Are these 2 posts serious?
while the May point is debate able (personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone) I don't see what's wrong with point about Curry. It's not saying he's better than any other nations' 7s just that he's an excellent option for us which I would think is the opposite of controversial given our historic weakness there and his personal performances over the tournament.
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eldanielfire wrote:-Unless executing a limited gameplan that is working, Farrell offers nothing but place kicking.
I was screaming at the TV on Saturday for Scotland to allow England to score a try at the end of the game - but out by the touchline.
With Farrell off, I'd take a chance on Ford's place-kicking.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
England's biggest learning from this 6N is that having a really good 7 on the pitch is a great idea.
And also having a spare for when one gets injured.
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Yer Man wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:-Unless executing a limited gameplan that is working, Farrell offers nothing but place kicking.
I was screaming at the TV on Saturday for Scotland to allow England to score a try at the end of the game - but out by the touchline.
With Farrell off, I'd take a chance on Ford's place-kicking.
Lol - that might actually have worked!
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sockwithaticket wrote:
slick wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
Are these 2 posts serious?
while the May point is debate able (personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone) I don't see what's wrong with point about Curry. It's not saying he's better than any other nations' 7s just that he's an excellent option for us which I would think is the opposite of controversial given our historic weakness there and his personal performances over the tournament.
I was talking about the 2 posts about May. Good player and I like him, but he's not all that.

Curry - if it wasn't for AWJ he would be my player of the tournament I think.
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What we learnt is that only Wales have the minerals to go all the way in the RWC and I don’t think they have enough. Ireland found out and seemingly lost their way, England when not sat on thumb a match for anyone, but there are no chances for brain fart lapses in the RWC
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Yer Man wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:-Unless executing a limited gameplan that is working, Farrell offers nothing but place kicking.
I was screaming at the TV on Saturday for Scotland to allow England to score a try at the end of the game - but out by the touchline.
With Farrell off, I'd take a chance on Ford's place-kicking.
You and me both but they kept them out just long enough for it to be scored under the posts :?
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Jim Lahey wrote:Wales - a very well drilled side that will prove difficult to beat by anybody at this stage. Massive defence and effective attack. Very street smart.
England - Backline looks very slick against weaker sides. Struggled to create much against Wales’ blitz defence. Curry seems to be the find of the tournament. Eddie Jones remains a kunt.
Ireland - auroa gone. No intensity, clueless in attack, woeful discipline. Sexton and Murray have been completely found out.
France - couple of potentially good players coming through but still shite. Doesn’t seem to be too much pride in the jersey.
Scotland - another false dawn, still shithouse.
Italy - see Scotland.
pride in the jersey?
A game plan is more important but the french coaches seem to agree with you.
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Jim Lahey wrote:Wales - a very well drilled side that will prove difficult to beat by anybody at this stage. Massive defence and effective attack. Very street smart.
England - Backline looks very slick against weaker sides. Struggled to create much against Wales’ blitz defence. Curry seems to be the find of the tournament. Eddie Jones remains a kunt.
Ireland - auroa gone. No intensity, clueless in attack, woeful discipline. Sexton and Murray have been completely found out.
France - couple of potentially good players coming through but still shite. Doesn’t seem to be too much pride in the jersey.
Scotland - another false dawn, still shithouse.
Italy - see Scotland.

By weaker sides you mean everyone except Wales?
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Laurent wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:Wales - a very well drilled side that will prove difficult to beat by anybody at this stage. Massive defence and effective attack. Very street smart.
England - Backline looks very slick against weaker sides. Struggled to create much against Wales’ blitz defence. Curry seems to be the find of the tournament. Eddie Jones remains a kunt.
Ireland - auroa gone. No intensity, clueless in attack, woeful discipline. Sexton and Murray have been completely found out.
France - couple of potentially good players coming through but still shite. Doesn’t seem to be too much pride in the jersey.
Scotland - another false dawn, still shithouse.
Italy - see Scotland.
pride in the jersey?
A game plan is more important but the french coaches seem to agree with you.
I disagree - Pride goes a long way in an emotional game like rugby. French players let their heads drop when the game is out of reach (for example when you rolled over to have your tummy tickled by England and Ireland)
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slick wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
slick wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:May is the best winger in Europe.

He has had a remarkable 6N.
Yeah absolutely. That pace plus his velcro hands is an incredible combination.

Also that Tom Curry is an excellent option for England at 7
Are these 2 posts serious?
while the May point is debate able (personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone) I don't see what's wrong with point about Curry. It's not saying he's better than any other nations' 7s just that he's an excellent option for us which I would think is the opposite of controversial given our historic weakness there and his personal performances over the tournament.
I was talking about the 2 posts about May. Good player and I like him, but he's not all that.

Curry - if it wasn't for AWJ he would be my player of the tournament I think.
Sorry, I read it as points not posts. Carry on.
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P in VG wrote:
Laurent wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:Wales - a very well drilled side that will prove difficult to beat by anybody at this stage. Massive defence and effective attack. Very street smart.
England - Backline looks very slick against weaker sides. Struggled to create much against Wales’ blitz defence. Curry seems to be the find of the tournament. Eddie Jones remains a kunt.
Ireland - auroa gone. No intensity, clueless in attack, woeful discipline. Sexton and Murray have been completely found out.
France - couple of potentially good players coming through but still shite. Doesn’t seem to be too much pride in the jersey.
Scotland - another false dawn, still shithouse.
Italy - see Scotland.
pride in the jersey?
A game plan is more important but the french coaches seem to agree with you.
I disagree - Pride goes a long way in an emotional game like rugby. French players let their heads drop when the game is out of reach (for example when you rolled over to have your tummy tickled by England and Ireland)
Load of horseshit.

Players have no clue on the field. You can watch all the November and 6 nations
Watch and you will find no discernible pattern or game plan.

Disclaimer: should you lose the will to live in the process i cannot be held responsible.
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grievous wrote:That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
The truth is that
- we could have won with Scotland, had the charge been called in earlier on
- we could have won with Ireland, had the referee been a little bit less biased
- we could have won with France, had the scored try been awarded and had the team been more clever
- we could have drawn Wales, had we been more cynical
- we really had been crushed only by England

But we lost every single game
And future looks bright
Call me crazy - but this is the truth (and if this is just my truth it is ok anyway)
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AlanBengio wrote:
grievous wrote:That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
The truth is that
- we could have won with Scotland, had the charge been called in earlier on
- we could have won with Ireland, had the referee been a little bit less biased
- we could have won with France, had the scored try been awarded and had the team been more clever
- we could have drawn Wales, had we been more cynical
- we really had been crushed only by England

But we lost every single game
And future looks bright
Call me crazy - but this is the truth (and if this is just my truth it is ok anyway)
Slight bit of revisionism there, however I don't think you are that bad. That said as far as Wales are concerned you played our B team. HOW THE FECK you blew those tries against France was crazy.
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AlanBengio wrote:
grievous wrote:That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
The truth is that
- we could have won with Scotland, had the charge been called in earlier on
- we could have won with Ireland, had the referee been a little bit less biased
- we could have won with France, had the scored try been awarded and had the team been more clever
- we could have drawn Wales, had we been more cynical
- we really had been crushed only by England

But we lost every single game
And future looks bright
Call me crazy - but this is the truth (and if this is just my truth it is ok anyway)
No Italy are shit.
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Clive wrote:
AlanBengio wrote:
grievous wrote:That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
The truth is that
- we could have won with Scotland, had the charge been called in earlier on
- we could have won with Ireland, had the referee been a little bit less biased
- we could have won with France, had the scored try been awarded and had the team been more clever
- we could have drawn Wales, had we been more cynical
- we really had been crushed only by England

But we lost every single game
And future looks bright
Call me crazy - but this is the truth (and if this is just my truth it is ok anyway)
No Italy are shit.
You really are a classless plum
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slick wrote:
Clive wrote:
AlanBengio wrote:
grievous wrote:That Scotland and Italy are a protected species in NH rugby.
The truth is that
- we could have won with Scotland, had the charge been called in earlier on
- we could have won with Ireland, had the referee been a little bit less biased
- we could have won with France, had the scored try been awarded and had the team been more clever
- we could have drawn Wales, had we been more cynical
- we really had been crushed only by England

But we lost every single game
And future looks bright
Call me crazy - but this is the truth (and if this is just my truth it is ok anyway)
No Italy are shit.
You really are a classless plum
Would you rather I aid him in his delusion.
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