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Well wendyball clubs, Sarries, Amazon, Barclays and Vodaphone pay what amounts to practically no tax, so what's a £100m deferral?

Christ.... that's been a slow, painful death.

The Sun God wrote:Christ.... that's been a slow, painful death.

Not as slow and painful as Monarch.

Avanti are offering free travel for today only for FlyBe passengers. A nice gesture or cynical advertising ploy

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

BA offering business class flights and 3 nights in Rome for £250 pp

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

heavily subsided and yet still so crap (SW Trains i'm looking at you here)

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

The rail subsidy figures are a disgrace for a "privatised" industry but are skewed (I think) partially by the HS2 fiasco.

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backrow wrote:

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

heavily subsided and yet still so crap (SW Trains i'm looking at you here)

And yet they're still one of the better operators in my experience

Heavily subsidised? I pay £212 a month for a 15 minute journey each way. Doesn't feel like the fiscal burden's being eased all that muchl. A trip to London sans any railcards (luckily I still qualify for the 26 -30) can be around £50 at peak times. 50 minute journey and not particularly far away geographically either; journey time reflects number of stations called at more than anything.

sockwithaticket wrote:And yet they're still one of the better operators in my experience

Heavily subsidised? I pay £212 a month for a 15 minute journey each way. Doesn't feel like the fiscal burden's being eased all that muchl. A trip to London sans any railcards (luckily I still qualify for the 26 -30) can be around £50 at peak times. 50 minute journey and not particularly far away geographically either; journey time reflects number of stations called at more than anything.

The best operator was Virgin............ who then had their franchise pulled

Just because you are being ripped off in fares doesn't alter the subsidies. It just means the operators are making even more money directly and indirectly from the public's purse.

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

On the other hand our season tickets still cost hundreds a month and property prices are ridiculous.

We also generate a massive regional surplus in tax revenue that finds public spending in the rest of the UK.

tc27 wrote:

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

On the other hand our season tickets still cost hundreds a month and property prices are ridiculous.

We also generate a massive regional surplus in tax revenue that finds public spending in the rest of the UK.

Cut all subsidies. These are meant to be private enterprises. Otherwise renationalise.

The Network Rail backhanders

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

tc27 wrote:

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

On the other hand our season tickets still cost hundreds a month and property prices are ridiculous.

We also generate a massive regional surplus in tax revenue that finds public spending in the rest of the UK.

Cut all subsidies. These are meant to be private enterprises. Otherwise renationalise.

The Network Rail backhanders

whilst in principal I agree with you, I suspect cutting all subsidies or moving to nationalisation would actually make transport worse in the UK. Perhaps a hybrid, cutting subsidies for the operators but fully nationilising the infrastructure part ?

a 3rd option would be just to give the whole shebang over to the Chinese

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:And yet they're still one of the better operators in my experience

Heavily subsidised? I pay £212 a month for a 15 minute journey each way. Doesn't feel like the fiscal burden's being eased all that muchl. A trip to London sans any railcards (luckily I still qualify for the 26 -30) can be around £50 at peak times. 50 minute journey and not particularly far away geographically either; journey time reflects number of stations called at more than anything.

The best operator was Virgin............ who then had their franchise pulled

Just because you are being ripped off in fares doesn't alter the subsidies. It just means the operators are making even more money directly and indirectly from the public's purse.

True. Every year the substantially above inflation price hike while profits soar and shareholder dividends vomit cash.

Cunts.

And it seems that my travel insurance policy didn't automatically renew last year, after my main health insurance policy was changed. Haven't had travel insurance for the last 11 months, which means I've probably no chance of retrieving some of the money we spent on Flybe tickets less than two weeks ago.

Nolanator wrote:And it seems that my travel insurance policy didn't automatically renew last year, after my main health insurance policy was changed. Haven't had travel insurance for the last 11 months, which means I've probably no chance of retrieving some of the money we spent on Flybe tickets less than two weeks ago.

Poindexter in the lab, but Homer Simpson in the bank !

seriously though, if you paid via credit card i'd hammer them for the insurance protection because at the end of the day, you paid for something and it failed to deliver. you won't be the only one who this is adversely affecting. good luck

backrow wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

tc27 wrote:

Lorthern Nights wrote:

backrow wrote:do any of those regional routes actually make money ?
if not I can't see o Leary or whoever stepping in without some bunce from the govt, either directly like grants or more likely huge tax concessions aka bribes. On the face of it Fly-be's biggest assets were its Heathrow slots rather than its routes (if Southampton does have 95% of its flights then I can't imagine its expecially competitively priced)

Either subsidise them like rail is heavily subsidised or cut it for all and let the market decide. It’s bonkers the SE has such heavily subsidised public transport imho.

On the other hand our season tickets still cost hundreds a month and property prices are ridiculous.

We also generate a massive regional surplus in tax revenue that finds public spending in the rest of the UK.

Cut all subsidies. These are meant to be private enterprises. Otherwise renationalise.

The Network Rail backhanders

whilst in principal I agree with you, I suspect cutting all subsidies or moving to nationalisation would actually make transport worse in the UK. Perhaps a hybrid, cutting subsidies for the operators but fully nationilising the infrastructure part ?

a 3rd option would be just to give the whole shebang over to the Chinese

I thought Network Rail was an arms-length public body?

yes - that's why I wrote 'fully' - as in, less arms length.

backrow wrote:yes - that's why I wrote 'fully' - as in, less arms length.

Wouldn't bringing it under direct ministerial control be worse? Arm's length means it shouldn't be pulled from doctrinal pillar to post every time a minister or Govt changes.

inactionman wrote:

backrow wrote:yes - that's why I wrote 'fully' - as in, less arms length.

Wouldn't bringing it under direct ministerial control be worse? Arm's length means it shouldn't be pulled from doctrinal pillar to post every time a minister or Govt changes.

fudge knows how anyone could make it worse - but with a decent majority government, changes could be made at least in theory.

Nolanator wrote:And it seems that my travel insurance policy didn't automatically renew last year, after my main health insurance policy was changed. Haven't had travel insurance for the last 11 months, which means I've probably no chance of retrieving some of the money we spent on Flybe tickets less than two weeks ago.

If you paid by credit card, their insurance should cover you.

backrow wrote:

Nolanator wrote:And it seems that my travel insurance policy didn't automatically renew last year, after my main health insurance policy was changed. Haven't had travel insurance for the last 11 months, which means I've probably no chance of retrieving some of the money we spent on Flybe tickets less than two weeks ago.

Poindexter in the lab, but Homer Simpson in the bank !

seriously though, if you paid via credit card i'd hammer them for the insurance protection because at the end of the day, you paid for something and it failed to deliver. you won't be the only one who this is adversely affecting. good luck

Paid for with debit card. I've never had a credit card, with debit cards I've never needed one. I really need to get the finger out on that front for stuff just like this.

I jumped the gun. Travel insurance was part or the changed international health insurance policy, hence the add-on travel bit not renewing next time it came up. Should be grand. Fired them an email to get it rolling.
GF has no cover though, so that money is almost certainly down the drain.

Nolanator wrote:

backrow wrote:

Nolanator wrote:And it seems that my travel insurance policy didn't automatically renew last year, after my main health insurance policy was changed. Haven't had travel insurance for the last 11 months, which means I've probably no chance of retrieving some of the money we spent on Flybe tickets less than two weeks ago.

Poindexter in the lab, but Homer Simpson in the bank !

seriously though, if you paid via credit card i'd hammer them for the insurance protection because at the end of the day, you paid for something and it failed to deliver. you won't be the only one who this is adversely affecting. good luck

Paid for with debit card. I've never had a credit card, with debit cards I've never needed one. I really need to get the finger out on that front for stuff just like this.

I jumped the gun. Travel insurance was part or the changed international health insurance policy, hence the add-on travel bit not renewing next time it came up. Should be grand.
GF has no cover though, so that money is almost certainly down the drain.

jayz.. yup i'm not sure if you are going to get that cash back in that case. Insurance changes / exclusions / policy endings are an utter ballache, nearly always worth ticking the 'auto renew' box.
Credit cards are in fact very easy to take out and if disciplined with money, easy to manage - sort one out asap if only to prevent this sort of thing happening to you again. Debit cards should be used only really for getting money from an ATM, credit cards have the insurance plus you only actually pay for it say 56 days later.

one final benefit of a credit card, is that it builds up your financial track record (providing you handle it correctly and don't miss payments), so if you ever get around to making an honest women out of your Fly Honey and want to buy a house, then getting a mortgage will be easier and cheaper for you.
good luck anyways ya great steaming Langer ye

I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Got yourself a position in Academia? Or are you joining the real world ?

So that's two major UK airlines gone wallop in 6 months...!! Wonder why that is ?

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

she's finished her 'Tennis Lessons' in Bratislava then yep ?

The Sun God wrote:So that's two major UK airlines gone wallop in 6 months...!! Wonder why that is ?

Slowdown in economic activity / GDP growth + Massive currency drop when fuel is paid for in Dollars

sewa wrote:

The Sun God wrote:So that's two major UK airlines gone wallop in 6 months...!! Wonder why that is ?

Slowdown in economic activity / GDP growth + Massive currency drop when fuel is paid for in Dollars

Are you ok, Sewa? Missed the open goal setup there from SG.

camroc1 wrote:

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Got yourself a position in Academia? Or are you joining the real world ?

She's got herself a two year fellowship, I'm in the process of trying to get one. More fixed term contracts. Yay.
She'll get an academic position for sure, I'm less certain! There's more industry here that I'd be interested in than in Ireland, but we want to move home (just in time to participate in the Shinner socialist republic!).

backrow wrote:she's finished her 'Tennis Lessons' in Bratislava then yep ?

Prick!

Prague, actually.

Nolanator wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Got yourself a position in Academia? Or are you joining the real world ?

She's got herself a two year fellowship, I'm in the process of trying to get one. More fixed term contracts. Yay.
She'll get an academic position for sure, I'm less certain! There's more industry here that I'd be interested in than in Ireland, but we want to move home (just in time to participate in the Shinner socialist republic!).

backrow wrote:she's finished her 'Tennis Lessons' in Bratislava then yep ?

Prick!

Prague, actually.

You will be alright though Comrade. PhD's will be the new social influencers of the decade.

Sandstorm wrote:

sewa wrote:

The Sun God wrote:So that's two major UK airlines gone wallop in 6 months...!! Wonder why that is ?

Slowdown in economic activity / GDP growth + Massive currency drop when fuel is paid for in Dollars

Are you ok, Sewa? Missed the open goal setup there from SG.

Softly, softly catchee monkee

The Sun God wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Got yourself a position in Academia? Or are you joining the real world ?

She's got herself a two year fellowship, I'm in the process of trying to get one. More fixed term contracts. Yay.
She'll get an academic position for sure, I'm less certain! There's more industry here that I'd be interested in than in Ireland, but we want to move home (just in time to participate in the Shinner socialist republic!).

backrow wrote:she's finished her 'Tennis Lessons' in Bratislava then yep ?

Prick!

Prague, actually.

You will be alright though Comrade. PhD's will be the new social influencers of the decade.

Bloody ten a penny once you're in the right industry/sector, though.

Nolanator wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Nolanator wrote:I'm aware of all those excellent arguments in favour of sensible credit card use, but was just never arsed.

She's moving back to Dublin very soon and I'll be following later this year. Time to sort out all that stuff.

Got yourself a position in Academia? Or are you joining the real world ?

She's got herself a two year fellowship, I'm in the process of trying to get one. More fixed term contracts. Yay.
She'll get an academic position for sure, I'm less certain! There's more industry here that I'd be interested in than in Ireland, but we want to move home (just in time to participate in the Shinner socialist republic!).

backrow wrote:she's finished her 'Tennis Lessons' in Bratislava then yep ?

Prick!

Berlin, actually.

was deliberate mis-infomation to disguise any real life info about your household, Captain Pooro !

I haven't had the experience of dealing with doxxing busybody pensioners to make me overly cautious. Yet!

Nolanator wrote:I haven't had the experience of dealing with doxxing busybody pensioners to make me overly cautious. Yet!

true. you also have to have some money, companies and kids to get threatened first !
if you got Patio'd all he'd gain would be your PS4 and some sweaty gym vests...

inactionman wrote:
I thought Network Rail was an arms-length public body?

So the Govt would like you to believe.

sewa wrote:

The Sun God wrote:So that's two major UK airlines gone wallop in 6 months...!! Wonder why that is ?

Slowdown in economic activity / GDP growth + Massive currency drop when fuel is paid for in Dollars

https://simpleflying.com/bankrupt-airlines-2019/

My son was flying from Cardiff to Edinburgh tomorrow for the Scotland U20s that various mates are playing in, a 21st birthday on Sat then the France match, back to Wales on Monday. After looking at every conceivable option he has had to drive. An 800 mile round trip driving to watch not one but two Scottish teams is dedication above and beyond.

Trains were just not an option. It takes 6 or 7 hours and are heinously expensive.

I am flying down to Bristol for the Welsh game, but was booked back from Cardiff. I've re-booked the return from Bristol at heinous price. Just watch the match be cancelled now.

backrow wrote:
whilst in principal I agree with you, I suspect cutting all subsidies or moving to nationalisation would actually make transport worse in the UK. Perhaps a hybrid, cutting subsidies for the operators but fully nationilising the infrastructure part ?

a 3rd option would be just to give the whole shebang over to the Chinese

I really don’t know how the Chinese do it but high speed rail to every city for really good prices is pretty impressive. My last trip a few months ago was a 2 .5 hours journey for around 10 pounds. Their metro systems are also amazing.